Broncos (!?!) writer(?) sour grapes

[lusdawg]

I moved to Denver from Massachusetts about 5 years ago. Beautiful country, but the most ignorant and fair-weather fans I've ever met! Trying to have a civil football conversation always leads to how great Elway was ... sad that they may actually believe he is coming back to play again!

 

[reflexblue]

I moved to Denver from Massachusetts about 5 years ago. Beautiful country, but the most ignorant and fair-weather fans I've ever met! Trying to have a civil football conversation always leads to how great Elway was ... sad that they may actually believe he is coming back to play again!

Like the second coming? Will he float down through the clouds to mid-field for the coin toss.

 

[letekro]

Denver didn't violate the salary cap. Pat Bowlen deferred payments to John Elway and Terrell Davis in order to put money down for the building of Invesco Field at Mile High. The NFL said the Broncos gained no competitive advantage.

Making deferred payments = Violating the salary cap.

(I.e., We can't pay you all the money you want this year b/c of the SALARY CAP, but we will be able to make future payments to you that will equal the present value of the amount you wanted this year).

These were side agreements that were not disclosed in the contracts submitted to the league. Why not? B/c they violated the SALARY CAP.

Whatever their motivation to do it (cash flow, etc.), it clearly gave them a distinct advantage vis a vis the salary cap by allowing them to keep their two stars - Elway and Davis - at deflated salary cap numbers while secretly paying them well in excess of those numbers. Do you not see this?

 

[FloridaPatsFan]

I'm printing that article right now and when I dispose of the giant bowl of chilli I had for lunch today, I'm going to wipe my ass with the words from that poor suffering wretched pathetic crybaby.

 

[Oswlek]

Denver didn't violate the salary cap. Pat Bowlen deferred payments to John Elway and Terrell Davis in order to put money down for the building of Invesco Field at Mile High. The NFL said the Broncos gained no competitive advantage.

While I think that you have a valid case against any nefarious activity, Denver did still violate a league rule, just like NE.

And, just like Denver, the league stated that NE gained no competetive advantage from the filming.

If you are OK with one, you must be OK with the other and vice versa.

 

[DW Toys]

He is a Denver Bronco hater, the worst kind. No make that the 2nd worst kind behind only the Steelers.

Did send him an e-mail:
"Your shade of envy green really suits you well.
Pats fans had been humiliated by every team for years. Now the table has turned and we are the bad guys? Every dog has his day and we aren't even close to breaking even yet. Watch some old Football Follies and see some of the featured players.

Did you realize that if Greg Estrada (the Pats "filmer") was sitting in a large refrigerator cardboard packing box on the sidelines, filming away, he would have been doing so legally? Does that sound like the integrity of the game was compromised?
Your "cheat" crap, is just that. Say..... weren't some team that did fairly well in football a few years ago caught over the salary cap (cheating?)?
Your "those Broncos could win on any surface" quote was stated correctly and they paid for that right, over and over and over again.

We have Moss' snear, and after what the media did to him, who can blame him. You had Elway and he had teeth like a 53 Buick!
I still feel bad for the Browns RB Binner who fumbled on his way at the one yard line, to beating the great Elway. Talk about luck and a fluke!

Lets see. Joe Greene was what 265lbs-275lbs, about the size of Brandon Jacobs, NY Giant halfback? Jack Lambert, what 220lbs? There are corner backs his size. Jim Taylor? Pats LB Adalius Thomas could catch him running backwards at 270lbs. Mark, it's a different world in the NFL today. It's scary. Hey Sam Huff was my favorite player. He was what 6' 1" and 215 at MLB.

One other small comment about our QB who happens to be very fertile (ever think that his former love might have "pulled the goalie" as one of our clever Pats fans suggested). I suppose your husband and wife Bronco drug dealers are untouchable?....Thought so.

By the way, I can't stand Tiger!
DW Toys"

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

It's pretty much your glass houses thing, Fever. That's pretty much it.

More...we need the big picture from you. This comment, such as it is, gives us nothing. It says nothing for you, nothing about you.

We need more.

 

[Scooter_McGruder]

I thought Gregg Easterbrook was bad.

 

[reflexblue]

As soon as the word "Cheat" pops up its over,I read no further, no need. After reading all the various reasons to hate the Pats(many of them just made up) i.e. Brady goes out with a different model every night. I decided to come up with a new partial sig. Enough Bull Sh!t is enough. These so called writers will say anything wheather its based on fact or not to tear down the Pats. I suppose there used to be a moral code against doing that at one time . But now if it sells, than who cares if its true or not.

 

[spacecrime]

He can't tell you what his point is as he clearly does not have one, all he does is spew garbage, check out his posts.

Typical hater.

It's one thing to register at another fan forum to talk football, it's quite another to do nothing other than throw cheap shots and be a ballbreaker 24/7 with moronic posts/comments etc which are done for no other reason that to stir the pot.

Lame, pathetic, sad..............

It gets him attention, something he desperately needs.

 

[spacecrime]

More...we need the big picture from you. This comment, such as it is, gives us nothing. It says nothing for you, nothing about you.

We need more.

No, we don't. Who give a crap about him?

 

[kriskanos]

Its hard to believe the Newspaper that brought us Woody Paige could sink this low.*



*sarcasm

 

[lusdawg]

Its hard to believe the Newspaper that brought us Woody Paige could sink this low.*



*sarcasm

Woody may be out there, but he seems to keep an objective view (not always anti-Pats) unlike the other knuckle heads (including Smith) on the Horn ...

 

[onegameatatime]

Makes you appreciate even the Globe.

This just shows how sportswriting may be in a newspaper, but is held to such minimal standards of journalism.

 

[lusdawg]

This guy needs a hug....and a punch in the face!

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7866729?source=email

How 'bout a Donkey punch ?!?! :rocker:

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

Its hard to believe the Newspaper that brought us Woody Paige could sink this low.*



*sarcasm

That's not all.

This paper expects the Nuggets to win 60 games this year!

'Course, they didn't say too much about that right after the Celts edged them by 40 a couple of months ago....

 

[Rocky Mountain Stampede]

Making deferred payments = Violating the salary cap.

(I.e., We can't pay you all the money you want this year b/c of the SALARY CAP, but we will be able to make future payments to you that will equal the present value of the amount you wanted this year).

These were side agreements that were not disclosed in the contracts submitted to the league. Why not? B/c they violated the SALARY CAP.

Whatever their motivation to do it (cash flow, etc.), it clearly gave them a distinct advantage vis a vis the salary cap by allowing them to keep their two stars - Elway and Davis - at deflated salary cap numbers while secretly paying them well in excess of those numbers. Do you not see this?

That's what you don't understand, the money owed to Elway and Davis in 1998 was reported to the league and counted against the cap. Bowlen asked Elway and Davis to defer the bonuses owed to them in order to pay the salaries of the administrative staff and up front costs of Invesco.

Understandably, the league has a problem with this type of accounting, as it could lead to problems, and the last thing they want is to see a team start running their rosters in the red. The NFL ruled the Broncos didn't receive a competitive advantage from the move, but did break the rules that they put in place to keep solvency on the balance books. They don't want to see a small market team deferring payments and then one year have to declare bankruptcy because their revenue isn't covering what they owe.

 

[Rocky Mountain Stampede]

While I think that you have a valid case against any nefarious activity, Denver did still violate a league rule, just like NE.

And, just like Denver, the league stated that NE gained no competetive advantage from the filming.

If you are OK with one, you must be OK with the other and vice versa.

I personally didn't care.

The Spygate thing was so overblown because sign stealing is such an easy thing to defend against. It's like crying in warfare because the enemy intercepted your messages.

 

[PatriotsReign]

That's what you don't understand, the money owed to Elway and Davis in 1998 was reported to the league and counted against the cap. Bowlen asked Elway and Davis to defer the bonuses owed to them in order to pay the salaries of the administrative staff and up front costs of Invesco.

Understandably, the league has a problem with this type of accounting, as it could lead to problems, and the last thing they want is to see a team start running their rosters in the red. The NFL ruled the Broncos didn't receive a competitive advantage from the move, but did break the rules that they put in place to keep solvency on the balance books. They don't want to see a small market team deferring payments and then one year have to declare bankruptcy because their revenue isn't covering what they owe.

That sounds just like video-gate! No competitive advantage, but a rule was broken...yup, same thing!

 

[Fencer]

The first part of the article was inoffensive filler.

It got REALLY stupid when he said the Pats were soft, and would get demolished by the tough teams of olden days.