I can't really see Moss 23 TDs being eclipsed

[Xzibit23]

While all records are extremely diffucult to break for obvious reasons, as crazy as it sounds, I think many of us are undervaluing the diffuculty of what Moss accomlished. The record he broke, Rice's 22 TDs, were a mythical number that many thought would never be threatened, let alone eclipsed. It was always seen as one of the unreachable records, an anamoly of a season courtesy of the GOAT WR. Those 22 TDs stood alone and far away with the next closest TD totals being 17-18, NO ONE had even come close to make this a debate, even Rice didnt come close. In an average year, the leading WR in touchdowns gets about 13-14 TDs...the record(now 23) is so out of range that it requires specific things to fall in line. You need the rare talent, and from day 1, its been Moss who people have said had that talent. Then you would need that talent to be put in the right position with the right QB.

I just think too many people have been caught up debating how many games Rice got his 22 in, whether what Moss did was more impressive etc...In reality, we arent appreciating that Moss was the first guy ofher than Rice in '87 to eclipse 20 TD receptions, and actually made us think about Rice's record being in jeopardy. IMO, unless Moss outdoes himself, I think this record will stay in the books for aLOOOOOONG time.

 

[maverick4]

Re: I cant really see Moss 23 TDs being eclipsed

16-0 and 50 TD's is damn hard to do too!

Actually, of these 3 records, the perfect season is the one that happens least frequently.

 

[Xzibit23]

Re: I cant really see Moss 23 TDs being eclipsed

16-0 and 50 TD's is damn hard to do too!

Actually, of these 3 records, the perfect season is the one that happens least frequently.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not comparing records. The 16-0 is obviously the most diffucult, but as a result its the one everyone is talking about, so I dont think I need to mention is diffuculty. With Moss is record it seems more people are consumed with how many games he did it in and arent realizing the diffuculty of getting 23 TDs. IMO, while both records should be around for a while, I think Brady's is more likely to fall.

 

[stcjones]

While all records are extremely diffucult to break for obvious reasons, as crazy as it sounds, I think many of us are undervaluing the diffuculty of what Moss accomlished. The record he broke, Rice's 22 TDs, were a mythical number that many thought would never be threatened, let alone eclipsed. It was always seen as one of the unreachable records, an anamoly of a season courtesy of the GOAT WR. Those 22 TDs stood alone and far away with the next closest TD totals being 17-18, NO ONE had even come close to make this a debate, even Rice didnt come close. In an average year, the leading WR in touchdowns gets about 13-14 TDs...the record(now 23) is so out of range that it requires specific things to fall in line. You need the rare talent, and from day 1, its been Moss who people have said had that talent. Then you would need that talent to be put in the right position with the right QB.

I just think too many people have been caught up debating how many games Rice got his 22 in, whether what Moss did was more impressive etc...In reality, we arent appreciating that Moss was the first guy ofher than Rice in '87 to eclipse 20 TD receptions, and actually made us think about Rice's record being in jeopardy. IMO, unless Moss outdoes himself, I think this record will stay in the books for aLOOOOOONG time.

I can't see any of these records being beaten in the near future.....Most importantly the 16-0 PERFECT SEASON.....But even Brady's TD record and Moss' 23 TD's in a season......But you never know.....records were made to be broken I guess......

 

[BelichickFan]

They'll be broken - but as Moss said, Rice's record stood for a long time so I doubt it'll be broken right off the bat. The only real threat is the fact that more teams will likely be doing more and more throwing but, yeah, getting two Hall of Fame players like Brady and Moss is what it'll take and that's rare.

I think it was just the coolest thing that Brady and Moss tied and broke their individual records together.

 

[BigMike]

as wil Peyton next season....

 

[EasyMac]

I can't see any of these records being beaten in the near future.....Most importantly the 16-0 PERFECT SEASON.....But even Brady's TD record and Moss' 23 TD's in a season......But you never know.....records were made to be broken I guess......

Of the three records, Brady's TD record is, IMO, most likely to be broken in "the near future". Afterall it didn't take Brady long to surpass Peyton's 49.

But hell, it could be Brady who breaks his own record and Moss who breaks his own as well!

 

[BelichickFan]

Romo and TO will go after them.

Don't think so. Owens is 34, he's real close to the end despite how good he's looked this year.

 

[xmarkd400x]

Romo and TO will go after them.

I mean, I think they will "go after it". I mean, which football players, if asked, would say "no, I don't think I'd like to set that record."?

That being said, in TO's best season he recorded 16 TDs (2001). This year he came very close with 15 TDs. To put it in perspective, 23 is ~30% more than 16.

 

[Xzibit23]

They'll be broken - but as Moss said, Rice's record stood for a long time so I doubt it'll be broken right off the bat. The only real threat is the fact that more teams will likely be doing more and more throwing but, yeah, getting two Hall of Fame players like Brady and Moss is what it'll take and that's rare.

I think it was just the coolest thing that Brady and Moss tied and broke their individual records together.

That was beyond cool...it was very symbolic of how one could not have been done without the other. An amazing moment in NFL history, 2 records that may stand for a while being broken on the same play.

 

[sieglo]

The only combination of QB and receiver that has a chance to break those records for the foreseeable future is Brady/Moss.

 

[MossFan4Life]

Somebody like Brady, Manning, Romo, Favre, etc. could get Moss 30+ tds if they really wanted to. Brady spread the ball nicely this year and he rarely ever forced it because there was rarely ever a need to (with the exception of a few games where they screwed around with short passes and runs for about 3 quarters and then had to make it up at the end). I'm not sure if it will ever work out that Moss will break his new record, but he certainly could if the situation called for it. I'm starting to believe that Rice's career record is a decent possibility if Moss stays with good qbs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Braylon Edwards had 16 TDs this season, and he's just a puppy who's still growing into his full "Big Dog" status.

 

[FibSeq13478]

While all records are extremely diffucult to break for obvious reasons, as crazy as it sounds, I think many of us are undervaluing the diffuculty of what Moss accomlished. The record he broke, Rice's 22 TDs, were a mythical number that many thought would never be threatened, let alone eclipsed. It was always seen as one of the unreachable records, an anamoly of a season courtesy of the GOAT WR. Those 22 TDs stood alone and far away with the next closest TD totals being 17-18, NO ONE had even come close to make this a debate, even Rice didnt come close. In an average year, the leading WR in touchdowns gets about 13-14 TDs...the record(now 23) is so out of range that it requires specific things to fall in line. You need the rare talent, and from day 1, its been Moss who people have said had that talent. Then you would need that talent to be put in the right position with the right QB.

I just think too many people have been caught up debating how many games Rice got his 22 in, whether what Moss did was more impressive etc...In reality, we arent appreciating that Moss was the first guy ofher than Rice in '87 to eclipse 20 TD receptions, and actually made us think about Rice's record being in jeopardy. IMO, unless Moss outdoes himself, I think this record will stay in the books for aLOOOOOONG time.

Braylon Edwards may have a potential to come close. This year he had 16 TDs and he may improve on this in the coming years.
However, one thing to keep in mind regarding this record is that whoever breaks the record will need to have tremendous skill to break double/triple teams because if the receiver is catching so many TDs early in the season, he will naturally be rarely left in single coverage in the later part of the season as teams game plan to stop him. So in that sense I agree that it is difficult to see this record being eclipsed in the near future (other than by Moss).

 

[Nitro]

I doubt any of us will live long enough to see another 16-0

 

[Xzibit23]

Braylon Edwards had 16 TDs this season, and he's just a puppy who's still growing into his full "Big Dog" status.

Yeah..but WRs can get better but still not eclipse career high marks in TDs, lets not forget Moss got 17 TDs in his rookie season at the age of 21.. A lot of things went right for Edwards to get his 16 TDs, and obviously he played the biggest role in getting those numbers. So while in the future he may get more than the 16 TDs he got this year, if I had to put money down, I wouldn't bet on it. 16 TDs is a really high number, For perspective, Owens is career high is 16, and he only got that once. And Marvin Harrison has never gotten 16 TDs in a season.

That being said, I'm taking nothing away from Braylon Edwards, he is the best young WR in the game, and at least he has a shot, mainly cause of what he showed us this season he had this year.

 

[Xzibit23]

Braylon Edwards may have a potential to come close. This year he had 16 TDs and he may improve on this in the coming years.
However, one thing to keep in mind regarding this record is that whoever breaks the record will need to have tremendous skill to break double/triple teams because if the receiver is catching so many TDs early in the season, he will naturally be rarely left in single coverage in the later part of the season as teams game plan to stop him. So in that sense I agree that it is difficult to see this record being eclipsed in the near future (other than by Moss).

That is an excellent point that. Because of his height, insane leaping ability, speed, hands and overall talent, Moss has a unique ability to beat double coverage, probably more than any WR ever. That's probably why when you look at list of the top 10 TDs/season from a WR his name appears 3 times, more than anyone else.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Unless Quinn is even better than Charlie ever imagined, Braylon won't break the record. You need a nearly perfect storm of elite QB, elite WR and complimentary receivers with the talent to draw coverage and the ego to watch the other guy get the lions share of the touches.

If TO gets it in his head that he could break it, Romo better duck. Plus Witten is his real go to guy. If there were even more pressure on Romo to serve dual masters (TO and Jerry who wants the W's) the gunslinger in him would likely implode.

I really don't see any present day QB other than Brady or Manning as enough of a pure and accurate passer to take a run at 51 without disasterous TD to INT ratios. And Mannings offense isn't really geared to it any longer with Marvin heading down the road and the significance of Clark at TE and their increased focus on the running game.

16-0 and the points and differential will stand for a long time unless the competition committee eliminates defense altogether.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah..but WRs can get better but still not eclipse career high marks in TDs, lets not forget Moss got 17 TDs in his rookie season at the age of 21.. A lot of things went right for Edwards to get his 16 TDs, and obviously he played the biggest role in getting those numbers. So while in the future he may get more than the 16 TDs he got this year, if I had to put money down, I wouldn't bet on it. 16 TDs is a really high number, For perspective, Owens is career high is 16, and he only got that once. And Marvin Harrison has never gotten 16 TDs in a season.

That being said, I'm taking nothing away from Braylon Edwards, he is the best young WR in the game, and at least he has a shot, mainly cause of what he showed us this season he had this year.

The thing about Edwards is that you really can't devote too much attention to him because of Winslow. 23 touchdowns is a tremendous achievement, being almost 1.5 per game. But, as Moss showed, it's not impossible, and Moss did it while Welker caught over 110 passes on the same team.

 

[tatepatsfan]

Look fellas, I'm not trying to diminish Moss' record even a little bit.

But really, records are meant to be broken.

Players aim for the records. 23? 24 is the new number. That's what every WR in this league is shooting for. It is going to happen. Probably not soon however.

In fact, Moss is the leading candidate to break it next year. He has to be. Hopefully we re-sign him. I hope Shefter is right that he wants to re-sign.

23 will be broken. I hope it's Randy, and we will see.

As for threads like these...let's wait till Feb. 4th; we have better things to focus on.