Rate Ellis Hobbs

[emoney_33]

I think Hobbs is a solid #2 corner. He's good in coverage and thats the most important thing. He has some lapses, but what corner doesn't ?

If I have a been with him its that he could be better against the run. But the Hobbs bashers should realize there are plenty of plays where the coverage is tight on his side of the field. Do you think all of our sacks are due to pash rush? I would say a good percentage of them are coverage sacks, and I don't see Hobbs getting a lot of help in coverage, none more than anyone else would on this defense.

Exactly. You don't see the plays where Hobbs has good coverage, or the sacks that are created by good coverage all around. Hobbs isn't perfect, every DB gets beat from time to time. I don't think he's been beaten frequently at all. Also playing so far off the line has to be scheme. He doesn't have the instincts of Samuel but he does have good coverage more often than not. He also plays the ball well MOST of the time when it is in the air.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Sorry but I can't drink the koolaid on this one. Hobbs looks like a mediocre corner that gets burned fairly frequently. Maybe there's a reason that defenses decide to test Hobbs instead of Samuel... it's called attacking the weakest link in the defense. Sometimes I wonder if Gay wouldn't fare better out there. The Pats need to sign a decent FA corner or draft one to develop in 2008.

LOL this would explain why Belichick leaves him on the field for almost every defensive snap since his first as a rookie and says things like Ellis Hobbs is good for this team...

You nit picking nervous nancy's don't have a clue what you're talking about. You couldn't have traded Asante Samuel for a bag of used balls in his 3rd season in the league - maybe you missed that season, the one where according to the pundits we had "no secondary" with the likes of Samuel, Starks, Wilson and Sanders...

 

[VJCPatriot]

And the Koolaid Gestapo enter the fray!!
Oh mighty thought police, please do not deride us for exercising independant thought and judgment on an open topic to the forum!

Puh-leez. Has it ever occurred to you that the reason Hobbs is out there is that BB doesn't have a better option? If you deny that CB depth will be a need in 2008 please step forward. If you can't deny that, you've got to realize that some of the current players at that position aren't exactly setting the league on fire with their play.

LOL this would explain why Belichick leaves him on the field for almost every defensive snap since his first as a rookie and says things like Ellis Hobbs is good for this team...

 

[emoney_33]

Sure you did - you saw Asante Samuel playing that far off and getting abused in 2005 until they replaced Starks with that rookie corner Hobbs and the secondary started to perform better...you've just let his 2006 4th year performance blank out the bad Asante memories.

BTW they play the scheme they are told to. If you have a problem with that, your problem is with Pees and Belichick. Ellis takes a lot of hits on here for being the last line of defense when 2 or 3 other guys blow assignments or because zebras can't decide amongst themselves what constitutes PI from one game to the next.

Just like on one of the TD passes I forget, where someone else had blown coverage and Hobbs hustled all the way deep to ALMOST break the pass up. All you see on TV is the catch being made with Hobbs there, but you don't know everything that went into that play. Hobbs almost MADE UP for someone else's mistake and it's still a knock on him? I still love Hollywood Hobbs and know that he's solid.

People still are exaggerating with how often he gets beat. If it was all that often, we wouldn't lead the league in scoring defense

 

[VJCPatriot]

In case you've forgotten, football is a TEAM game. The scheme can help cover for Hobbs weaknesses with safety help, zones, etc. Even with that, it's still alarming the rate at which Hobbs is made to look like toast. Recent examples can be seen as freshly as last week's game. I think I like eggs with my toast.

People still are exaggerating with how often he gets beat. If it was all that often, we wouldn't lead the league in scoring defense

 

[emoney_33]

And the Koolaid Gestapo enter the fray!!
Oh mighty thought police, please do not deride us for exercising independant thought and judgment on an open topic to the forum!

YOu say things like "I wonder if Gay wouldn't be a better option" and Hobbs is regressing, average or below average. Yet you offer no proof, no analysis, nothing but speculation based on feelings. Independent thought and judgment is fine when you actually use THOUGHT and JUDGMENT, instead of baseless claims based on false perceptions.

Puh-leez. Has it ever occurred to you that the reason Hobbs is out there is that BB doesn't have a better option? If you deny that CB depth will be a need in 2008 please step forward. If you can't deny that, you've got to realize that some of the current players at that position aren't exactly setting the league on fire with their play.

Which one is it, do our backups suck or should Gay be ahead of Hobbs? I'm willing to bet that Hobbs is a Patriot starting CB for as long as he is here.

Remember last year when teams threw at Samuel a lot more than Hobbs? Samuel earned respect LAST YEAR by intercepting all those passes because of his instincts and reading the qb. He wasn't considered elite at the beginning of last year. But I guess we should have found someone else to replace him before last year, because ya know he was bad.

 

[emoney_33]

In case you've forgotten, football is a TEAM game. The scheme can help cover for Hobbs weaknesses with safety help, zones, etc. Even with that, it's still alarming the rate at which Hobbs is made to look like toast. Recent examples can be seen as freshly as last week's game. I think I like eggs with my toast.

Why don't you tell me how often Hobbs gets burned? And then tell me which CB's in the league get burned fewer times. Seriously, he isn't perfect, but he doesn't get burned as much as you seem to think.

It's funny you say football is a TEAM game but any pass in Hobbs direction is all Hobbs fault. You are so backwards, it's not even funny anymore. You have proven to analyze things based on your feelings.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If negative stats on cornerbacks were readily available I would look them up.
http://www.nfl.com/players/ellishobbs/situationalstats?id=HOB243174
The situational stats on Hobbs here tells me almost nothing about where/when he screws up.
It seems that sacks/ints/tackles are the only easily verifiable defensive stats tracked.
If you can find a database or stat that shows that Hobbs was burned less than the average NFL CB, please go ahead and present the data.
Otherwise I'll have to rely on what I've seen from watching the games, and it has not been pretty where Hobbs is concerned.

Why don't you tell me how often Hobbs gets burned? And then tell me which CB's in the league get burned fewer times. Seriously, he isn't perfect, but he doesn't get burned as much as you seem to think.

It's funny you say football is a TEAM game but any pass in Hobbs direction is all Hobbs fault. You are so backwards, it's not even funny anymore. You have proven to analyze things based on your feelings.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Hobbs is good in the regukar season. I think receivers catching the ball around him is a result of zone coverage.

He absoultely steps up in big games and I think he's been picked on for PI calls much like Asante was picked on in the Denver playoff game. Hopefully he gets his respect soon by the refs.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

In case you've forgotten, football is a TEAM game. The scheme can help cover for Hobbs weaknesses with safety help, zones, etc. Even with that, it's still alarming the rate at which Hobbs is made to look like toast. Recent examples can be seen as freshly as last week's game. I think I like eggs with my toast.

how many points did the pats give up last week or did I miss something? didn't they win the game?

 

[sebman2112]

Hobbs is regressing as a player. I used to think he could be a very good player, and had gotten into arguments with some friends who thought he stunk. He played well in the AFCCG last year, but I think that's masked some of his deficincies. I've never seen a corner play so far off a reciever at the line of scrimage. He seems to get toasted a lot, and never looks very fluid when the ball is thrown to his reciever. He's average at best.

That's scheme related, and Asante plays just as far off at times. I'm not saying Ellis hasn't had some troubles in coverage this year mind you, just that you and other posters using his distance from the LOS against him don't know what you're talking about.

In my opinion he's a better Man CB, and better when they let him jam, but NE's usually always playing some form of a soft zone this year, which plays into Asante's strengths, and Hobbs weaknesses. We'll see what happens in 2008 and how NE uses him, as I highly doubt Asante's a 2008 Patriot.

In this current Patriots defensive scheme I'd agree that his play has been decent (with some good performances thrown in), but I think he can be a good CB given time, especially if they give him more man assignments.

 

[sebman2112]

Sorry but I can't drink the koolaid on this one. Hobbs looks like a mediocre corner that gets burned fairly frequently. Maybe there's a reason that defenses decide to test Hobbs instead of Samuel... it's called attacking the weakest link in the defense. Sometimes I wonder if Gay wouldn't fare better out there. The Pats need to sign a decent FA corner or draft one to develop in 2008.

Gay got burned pretty badly for two TD's against the Eagles, and unlike others on this board, he hasn't shown me anything at all that would suggest he's better than Hobbs. Sorry, I just don't see it, and think people are reaching tremendously.

 

[Dragda]

Hobbs is good in our system. He misses a few plays, but isn't horrible by any stretch. He's not the same kind of player as Asante regardless of what other's in this thread have stated. Asante reacts to the ball whereas Hobbs reacts to the receiver. If you are expecting Hobbs to be a league leader in ints, you are probably wrong.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

A lot of newer members like to toss around the anti-koolaid defense, perhaps if they paid attention to the guy who serves it to wash down his humbel pie they could engage in rational discussions. It doesn't matter what your eyes see if your brain doesn't understand what it's looking at - let alone on broadcast feeds without access to game plans and assignments. Makes it hard to have an informative discussion with any of you that doesn't descend into your ultimately self absorbed I know what I see...

I'd love to lock a few of you in the film room with the Belistrator and watch him make you acknowledge just how little you actually grasp.

 

[sebman2112]

Hobbs is good in the regukar season. I think receivers catching the ball around him is a result of zone coverage.

He absoultely steps up in big games and I think he's been picked on for PI calls much like Asante was picked on in the Denver playoff game. Hopefully he gets his respect soon by the refs.

This is correct, Hobbs had played better in big games. For the most part when he's faced guys like Reggie Wayne, and Lee Evens he's held his own (he shuts down Lee Evans), so I believe he's still got some potential to tap, and could improve over the next few years.

 

[patsox23]

I've been a pretty big Hobbs basher. I think he is ****y AND regressing, which is not my favorite combo. However, I think I'm spoiled a bit by Asante and Ty Law, and Hobbs is probably closer to league-average for a #2. Combine that with the fact that teams throw ALL their passes his way - b/c of Asante more than Ellis - and I should be less pessimistic.

Having said all that, I think he plays too soft in coverage, but that it's undeniable that BB likes him more than Randall Gay and has shown no impulse to yank Hobbs despite #27 giving up 99% of big pass plays this season (it FEELS like it, anyway). Overall, he's probably solid and I should cut him some slack. In any case, I DO think he has potential to be better than he's been this year, especially considering he was better LAST year, imo.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Hobbs is good in our system. He misses a few plays, but isn't horrible by any stretch. He's not the same kind of player as Asante regardless of what other's in this thread have stated. Asante reacts to the ball whereas Hobbs reacts to the receiver. If you are expecting Hobbs to be a league leader in ints, you are probably wrong.

Asante has missed a few in the last couple of weeks, too. Some of his were costly (although not in a game losing sense...). As others have said as well, one is more suited to man coverage and the other to zone. Some fans have a preference, but too many here just perfer the coverage that works. Same deal as with critics of the offense...

 

[sebman2112]

In case you've forgotten, football is a TEAM game. The scheme can help cover for Hobbs weaknesses with safety help, zones, etc. Even with that, it's still alarming the rate at which Hobbs is made to look like toast. Recent examples can be seen as freshly as last week's game. I think I like eggs with my toast.

Hobbs has given up some receptions he shouldn't have this season, and he's had some off games, but I honestly think you haven't the slightest clue about what it means to get "toasted" Hobbs hasn't been toasted on a regular basis, and you're living in another reality of you truly believe this.

It's alright though, as you're just moving on to the next target after Maroney's performance these past few weeks.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

he's been solid for us, and did a great job for us against the colts in the afc championship last year.

anybody looking for more out of him at this point in his career is just gettin greedy. asante was always pretty solid but didnt really break out till his 4th season

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I've been a pretty big Hobbs basher. I think he is ****y AND regressing, which is not my favorite combo. However, I think I'm spoiled a bit by Asante and Ty Law, and Hobbs is probably closer to league-average for a #2. Combine that with the fact that teams throw ALL their passes his way - b/c of Asante more than Ellis - and I should be less pessimistic.

Having said all that, I think he plays too soft in coverage, but that it's undeniable that BB likes him more than Randall Gay and has shown no impulse to yank Hobbs despite #27 giving up 99% of big pass plays this season (it FEELS like it, anyway).

How did you feel about Asante in 2005 - his third season - when he appeared to regress from his 2004 performance? Ever wonder why Ellis got the starting nod at LCB coming off TC in 2006 in what would have been only his first full season, and only deferred to Asante after he broke his wrist (though he still did ok in spite of that at RCB with a little nickle thrown in 'til he adjusted to covering WR's with his hand in a cast all season long). It was because Asante is a ballhawk and unless they make the pick, and their teamates can cover their play, they cost you big time.