Note to the Maroney Bashers/Addai Lovers

[Ring 6]

In the midst of all the Maroney basjhing threads, the bashers were all convinced that Addai was a far better back and already had proven himself.
Interestingly, once again we find that those who jump to conclusions usually turn out wrong.
For the season, the stats for these 2 now look very different than they did when the argument was Maroney just didn't have as many opportunities BY DESIGN.
YTD
Maroney 166 carries/789 yards/4.8 per rush/65.8 ypgame
Addai 257 carries/1045 yards/4.1 per rush/74.6 per game.
(As to the idea that Addai gets the ball more because the Patriots don't trust Maroney, its 18.4 to 13.8 carries. A WHOPPING 4 1/2 carries a game seems to obviously indicate the best pass offense in the NFL decides to pass more over a lack of trust between the 2 teams and their #1 RB)
Addai is gaining a grand total of 8.8 extra yards on those 4 1/2 carries as well.
For the year, Addai has carried 91 more times for 256 yards (an average of 2.8 per carry) I guess if we gave Maroney 4 1/2 more carries a game and he gained 9 yards on them, we'd feel better?

Since the Patriots/Colts game, these are the numbers for each:

Maroney 77/372/4.83/4 TDs
Addai 108/341/3.16/5 TDs

Please, all the bashers come back and explain how Addai is 'clearly better than Maroney' how 'it isn't close' and how 'its a joke to even consider Maroney in Addai's class'.

This should be fun.

 

[ShrewBeer]

here are a few more decent stats.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=71579

maroney piling up some decent stats. football outsiders has him rated #2, their rating system based on how many yards he got compared to how many we needed.

 

[strongside]

That is the problem with stats, they don't always tell the whole story. I think this is a good example of trusting what you see. To this point there is no question that Addai is a more compleat back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs. Maroney has not proven that he can do this yet.

This being said, Maroney has the tools to be as explosive a back as there is in the league. He also is playing his best ball of the season and will be huge in the playoffs. I don't think that its Maroney bashing if you call Addai better at this point.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

I think Maroney's games against Baltimore and the Jets were more impressive than yesterday. In those two prior games he consistently gained 3-4-5 yards a carry and that is what will be crucial in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong yesteday's long runs were awesome but also distorted the stats.

 

[BlitzFritz]

i think maroney is a great addition to the Pats. i love his toughness, and his all out speed.

i would take Addai over him tho -- i think addai is extremely elusive.

hey, we are in great shape here in New England!!:rocker:

 

[sieglo]

That is the problem with stats, they don't always tell the whole story. I think this is a good example of trusting what you see. To this point there is no question that Addai is a more compleat back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs. Maroney has not proven that he can do this yet.

Yes, when I look out my window I "see" the earth is flat. Therefore, "there is no question" it must be, in spite of all scientific data to the contrary.

 

[Joker]

nice stat ,Sieg

 

[alamo]

I think this is a good example of trusting what you see. To this point there is no question that Addai is a more compleat back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs.

So... Addai has carried the ball 25 times in a game JUST ONCE... in his ENTIRE PRO CAREER... in the game against us this year... and that proves he is an every game 25 carry guy?

I think this is a good example of "don't trust your eyes if you only watch one game".

EDIT: oops, missed the fact he also had 25 in the playoffs last year against KC, but the NE game this year is still his career high in carries.

 

[strongside]

Yes, when I look out my window I "see" the earth is flat. Therefore, "there is no question" it must be, in spite of all scientific data to the contrary.

And I see that Addai has forty catches for 300+ yards and Maroney has 4 for 116. Does that mean that Addai is a better reciever out of the backfield or is it that the Pats don't utilize Maroney in the passing game and if given the chance could put up the same numbers.

 

[Ring 6]

That is the problem with stats, they don't always tell the whole story. I think this is a good example of trusting what you see. To this point there is no question that Addai is a more compleat back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs. Maroney has not proven that he can do this yet.

This being said, Maroney has the tools to be as explosive a back as there is in the league. He also is playing his best ball of the season and will be huge in the playoffs. I don't think that its Maroney bashing if you call Addai better at this point.

As someone else noted, Addai has had 25 carries ONE TIME. Since that game, his fabulous average of 15.4 carries for 48.7 yards, with a TOP GAME of 67 yards would seem to totally disagree with with the 'no question' he is a complete back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs." That is a stretch of SEVEN GAMES. If you cannot do it for half a season how does that prove you can do it for a whole season, and the playoffs?
Important to note that most of the criticism of Maroney was based on just about 7 games.
If Maroney through 7 games this season had run for 341 yards and a 3.16 average with a top game of 67 yards, imagine how much worse he would have been ripped?

It basically boils down to FACTS, and those hiding under the cover of 'what I see' are full of crap when it conflicts with what is really happening.

 

[DarrylS]

Without regard for any of the stats he seems to be hitting the "hole" quicker and harder than he has in the past..

 

[strongside]

So... Addai has carried the ball 25 times in a game JUST ONCE... in his ENTIRE PRO CAREER... in the game against us this year... and that proves he is an every game 25 carry guy?

I think this is a good example of "don't trust your eyes if you only watch one game".

EDIT: oops, missed the fact he also had 25 in the playoffs last year against KC, but the NE game this year is still his career high in carries.

25 was a bit high however he is averaging 20 carries a game which is pretty good. Just stating the fact that Maroney has not proven as of yet that he can do this and Addai has 2 straight years. Just trying to look at this objectively.

 

[strongside]

Without regard for any of the stats he seems to be hitting the "hole" quicker and harder than he has in the past..

Or is the blocking better?

 

[Ring 6]

And I see that Addai has forty catches for 300+ yards and Maroney has 4 for 116. Does that mean that Addai is a better reciever out of the backfield or is it that the Pats don't utilize Maroney in the passing game and if given the chance could put up the same numbers.

Well, Addai doesnt have Kevin Faulk on his team. As I said at the time, if Addai were here instead of Maroney, we would use him just as we are using Maroney, and it Maroney were in Indy, they would be using him just as they are using Addai.
Given the fact that I've seen at least 3/4s of Addais receptions and they are all within 2-3 yards downfield, I dont see anything special in his receiving skills, however, Maroney has not been used in that role, so there is no way of knowing how effective he would be.

 

[strongside]

As someone else noted, Addai has had 25 carries ONE TIME. Since that game, his fabulous average of 15.4 carries for 48.7 yards, with a TOP GAME of 67 yards would seem to totally disagree with with the 'no question' he is a complete back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs." That is a stretch of SEVEN GAMES. If you cannot do it for half a season how does that prove you can do it for a whole season, and the playoffs?
Important to note that most of the criticism of Maroney was based on just about 7 games.
If Maroney through 7 games this season had run for 341 yards and a 3.16 average with a top game of 67 yards, imagine how much worse he would have been ripped?

It basically boils down to FACTS, and those hiding under the cover of 'what I see' are full of crap when it conflicts with what is really happening.

Do you ignore the fact that Addai has a very active role in the passing game and is a 40+ catch reciever? Would LT be considered the most compleat back in the game if he caght 7 ball for 100?

 

[Ring 6]

25 was a bit high however he is averaging 20 carries a game which is pretty good. Just stating the fact that Maroney has not proven as of yet that he can do this and Addai has 2 straight years. Just trying to look at this objectively.

No he is averaging 18.4, and over the last 7 games it has been 15.4.
Are you honestly telling me that you have a doubt that Maroney could handle another 3-5 carries per game? You DO realize that if he had not sat on the sidelines in the 2nd half of at least 2 blowouts, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE HIM ON THE FIELD, he would probably be up to 16-17 carries a game on average, right?

 

[Oswlek]

Well, Addai doesnt have Kevin Faulk on his team. As I said at the time, if Addai were here instead of Maroney, we would use him just as we are using Maroney, and it Maroney were in Indy, they would be using him just as they are using Addai.
Given the fact that I've seen at least 3/4s of Addais receptions and they are all within 2-3 yards downfield, I dont see anything special in his receiving skills, however, Maroney has not been used in that role, so there is no way of knowing how effective he would be.

On one of Brady's sacks yesterday Maroney was completely uncovered at the 5 yard mark (would have gone for 15 easy) but Brady sat in the pocket looking downfield for 6-7 seconds.

I have to think that they are purposely ignoring the guy for some schematic reason.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you ignore the fact that Addai has a very active role in the passing game and is a 40+ catch reciever? Would LT be considered the most compleat back in the game if he caght 7 ball for 100?

OK, so NOW the difference between them is that Addai get 2 or 3 passes dumped off to him?
Kevin Faulk is a better pass receiver and 3rd down back than Addai. If Faulk was on the same team as Addai, Faulk would be getting those catches.
SERIOUSLY, you cannot be telling me that getting dumped off as a checkdown 40 times in 15 games is an indication of the quality of a RB, are you?

 

[strongside]

Well, Addai doesnt have Kevin Faulk on his team. As I said at the time, if Addai were here instead of Maroney, we would use him just as we are using Maroney, and it Maroney were in Indy, they would be using him just as they are using Addai.
Given the fact that I've seen at least 3/4s of Addais receptions and they are all within 2-3 yards downfield, I dont see anything special in his receiving skills, however, Maroney has not been used in that role, so there is no way of knowing how effective he would be.

I do agree that Maroney/Addai could be interchangeable. Maroney just hasn't proven it yet. Addai averages 9 yards a reception so I think he is pretty productive in the passing game.

 

[strongside]

OK, so NOW the difference between them is that Addai get 2 or 3 passes dumped off to him?
Kevin Faulk is a better pass receiver and 3rd down back than Addai. If Faulk was on the same team as Addai, Faulk would be getting those catches.
SERIOUSLY, you cannot be telling me that getting dumped off as a checkdown 40 times in 15 games is an indication of the quality of a RB, are you?

No, but think if 15 of those check downs go for 1st downs that could help a team.