Brady's poor game against the Jets

[bradmahn]

Yeah you're right. Tell you what we'll give you guys pennington ,clemens ,coles,dbrick,vilma,and washington....and take brady off your hands

We'll give you Gutierrez and settle for Vilma and Washington. Thanks.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Armchair NFL QB coaches...

It never ceases to amaze me how many of these sheep expect every play to succeed, and if it doesn't they are steamed and they have the answer. They should have done the other thing...

Felger made one of his all too infrequent intelligent and insightful comments today - he said all he wants this offense to work on from here on out is what will carry them through the playoffs, and that is what got them here to begin with - a high octane aerial assault. I love PF's assertion that if we don't immediately go back to doing what we did when we had no choice because we didn't have the best receiving corps in the league, we are DOOMED.

That's almost as laughable as his preference for Bulger over Brady...

 

[captain stone]

The weather has changed for the worse, and for the rest of the season.

What worked in September and October may not always work in December and January.

BB, Skippy and TB must make adjustments to account for the change; let's see if it happens this Sunday, because it didn't happen last Sunday.

 

[RayClay]

25 of 38 for 184 yards, no TDs, no interceptions.

14 of 27 for 140 yards, no TDs, one interception.

I didn't say the Jets outplayed the Patriots.

The Patriots have better receivers, better linemen and were playing at home.

So if Brady completed more short passes that didn't affect the final score that would have been better?

That's interesting.

 

[RayClay]

Chad pennington Is king of the useless stats, The man can pass for 300 yards and never score a touchdown, I can't believe you guys have posters on here that doubt bradys talent, I hate the pats as a rival but brady is probably the best QB we'll all see before we die(except namath)

Pennington is a great QB without an arm IMO. I think we decided to give him the 5-7 yard passes, nothing long and concentrate on tackling.

Seemed to work fine to me. If we play really tight he might get a rainbow or two and force us to play differently. Also, we're unlikely to stop him from passing short because he's good at it.

I think (don't know, but neither does anyone else not on the sidelines) that Ratgini, who probably knows our passing game as well as anybody except Pees and BB, was messing up the timing of short routes requiring receivers to break them off or not be inthe right place at the right time.

Randy Moss is a safe option even when double covered because of his leaping ability.

Of course, had the Jets picked off a couple short passes, it would be "why don't we throw to Moss, he's what got us here"?

Tom wasn't stellar in the loss last year when he didn't have Moss, now was he?

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Give me a break. You really think the weather was a minor factor? People are giving the Jets way too much credit. The rain was coming down enough to make the football slippery. Don't read too much into Brady's performance. If the rain stays out of the forecast, Brady will light up the Dolphins. In fact, the only factor that helped the Jets was the rain. The would have gotten schooled last Sunday. I'm not worried about the offense at all.

 

[PF1996]

The weather has changed for the worse, and for the rest of the season.

What worked in September and October may not always work in December and January.

BB, Skippy and TB must make adjustments to account for the change; let's see if it happens this Sunday, because it didn't happen last Sunday.

Let Mo in on this fact as he apparently believes that an ability to throw deep means that you simply abandon your ability/option to throw short. It's either one of the other, as apparently, the Pats "greatest ever offense" led by the "greatest ever QB" cannot do both.

Chad pennington Is king of the useless stats, The man can pass for 300 yards and never score a touchdown, I can't believe you guys have posters on here that doubt bradys talent, I hate the pats as a rival but brady is probably the best QB we'll all see before we die(except namath)

Manning is actually the best QB currently. Brady's ego is ruining him.

Pennington is a great QB without an arm IMO. I think we decided to give him the 5-7 yard passes, nothing long and concentrate on tackling.

Seemed to work fine to me. If we play really tight he might get a rainbow or two and force us to play differently. Also, we're unlikely to stop him from passing short because he's good at it.

I think (don't know, but neither does anyone else not on the sidelines) that Ratgini, who probably knows our passing game as well as anybody except Pees and BB, was messing up the timing of short routes requiring receivers to break them off or not be inthe right place at the right time.

Randy Moss is a safe option even when double covered because of his leaping ability.

Of course, had the Jets picked off a couple short passes, it would be "why don't we throw to Moss, he's what got us here"?

Tom wasn't stellar in the loss last year when he didn't have Moss, now was he?

Right, Mangini can only coach a good defense against the Pats, but against other squads, he can only coach a defense good enough to rank in the bottom ten. You homers need some more practice in the art of constructing PLAUSIBLE EXCUSES for Brady's pathetic performance.

Randy Moss is not a "safe option when double covered" if OTHER RECEIVERS are open. This isn't the Randy Moss and practice squad guys show. The Pats do have other receivers who are capable of catching the ball and making plays. Throwing the ball to a well covered Moss at the expense of OPEN RECEIVERS in a bad weather game where points are at a premium is BAD DECISION MAKING. No one complained about throwing the ball to a double covered Moss when we were up by 14 or more pts and the weather wasn't a factor because the SITUATION alleviated the riskiness of that throw. It's called playing situational football - something Brady used to be good at before he decided that he needs to show everyone that he's as good as Manning and that he can throw deep.

Give me a break. You really think the weather was a minor factor? People are giving the Jets way too much credit. The rain was coming down enough to make the football slippery. Don't read too much into Brady's performance. If the rain stays out of the forecast, Brady will light up the Dolphins. In fact, the only factor that helped the Jets was the rain. The would have gotten schooled last Sunday. I'm not worried about the offense at all.

BOTH TEAMS PLAYED ON THE SAME FIELD IN THE SAME WEATHER CONDITIONS. As such, the weather isn't an excuse for Brady's pathetic performance, particularly when compared to Pennington's performance. Brady faced the 27th ranked defense while Pennington faced the 4th ranked defense and yet Brady, "the greatest QB ever" was outplayed by a "weak armed QB". Pennington was able to complete 66% of his passes WITHOUT AN INTERCEPTION against the Pats 4th ranked defense, while the "greatest QB ever" could only complete 52% of his passes with one pick (and several other potential picks) against the shoddy Jets defense.

Brady played like crap and if it continues, the Pats will be one and done in the playoffs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Manning is actually the best QB currently. Brady's ego is ruining him.

Brady is currently the quarterback of the only team in NFL history to win its first 14 games of a 16 game season, and one of only two teams to win its first 14 games in any season.

With a win on Sunday, Brady would be the only quarterback in NFL history to lead his team to a 15-0 start in a regular season.

Brady is the quarterback of the team with the second longest winning streak in NFL history. The only team with more wins was also guided by Brady as quarterback.

Brady is currently on pace to throw the most touchdowns of any quarterback in NFL history.

Brady is leading his team on a pace that would lead to the most points scored of any team in NFL history.

Brady is leading his team on a pace that would lead to the most touchdowns scored of any team in NFL history.

Brady is leading his team on a pace that would result in the greatest points differential in the history of the NFL.

Brady is currently on pace to have the second best single season quarterback rating in the history of the NFL.

Brady is currently on pace to have more yards passing in a season than any quarterback in history with the exception of Dan Marino.

Brady is currently #1 in the league in pass completion %, passing TD%, Net Yds/Pass Att, Passing Yds/game, Passing Tds, Passing Yds and Passer rating, while ranking second in Pass Intercept % and Passes Completed.

While Manning has never averaged 300 yards passing per game for a season or had fewer than 9 interceptions in a season, Brady is currently averaging 302.5 yards passing per game (currently 5th all time) while having thrown just 6 interceptions to date.

In short, Tom Brady is currently on pace to have the greatest single season of any quarterback in the history of the NFL. Manning isn't anywhere near the quarterback that Brady is this season.

 

[Ethan 55]

PF1996, you're not interested in discussing facts. You've made up your mind that some assinine things are true, and you're just going to keep kicking and screaming about it. You were going on and on in another thread about how the Jets O outperformed the Pats O, and yet I showed you that the Pats were better in virtually every category. Then you conveniently disappeared from that thread with no respone. I'll quote it at the end of this post for your convenience.

You use words like pathetic and terrible when there's clearly no basis for such words. I thought at first you were just stupid or ignorant, but it really looks more and more like you're a long-standing troll at this point. Because nobody rational who actually has watched this team and roots for it could say the things you say. They're beyond absurd. You've gone beyond being critical and gone into straight up bashing the player having the greatest statistical season in NFL history.

I'm going to just ignore you, because your posts have been exercises in time-wasting and self-righteous stupidity. I encourage others to just do the same and either let him live in misery by himself or to troll to nobody, whichever the case may be.

Please, tell me what metric you're using to determine that the Jets O "OUTPERFORMED" the Patriots O.

Yardage? Nope. Pats' net yards: 265. Jets' net yards: 236.

Points scored? Nope. Pats: 13. Jets: 3.

Turnovers? Nope. Pats: 1. Jets: 2.

Time of possession? Nope. Pats: 33:37. Jets: 26:23.

Yards per pass? Nope. Pats: 5.19. Jets: 4.65.

Yards per play? Nope. Pats: 4.21. Jets:3.81.

The Jets ran for 49 yards on a gimmick play that was clamped down after that. Without that one play, their stats look even worse, as they averaged 2.6 yards per carry and were completely unable to run the ball.

If you want to argue that the Patriots offense struggled, knock yourself out. But you have no right to mock others for irrational opinions when you're making stuff up like saying the Jets offense outperformed the Patriots offense. Didn't happen, and you saying it does only makes you look like you're complaining just for the sake of complaining.

 

[PF1996]

Brady is currently the quarterback of the only team in NFL history to win its first 14 games of a 16 game season, and one of only two teams to win its first 14 games in any season.

With a win on Sunday, Brady would be the only quarterback in NFL history to lead his team to a 15-0 start in a regular season.

Brady is the quarterback of the team with the second longest winning streak in NFL history. The only team with more wins was also guided by Brady as quarterback.

Brady is currently on pace to throw the most touchdowns of any quarterback in NFL history.

Brady is leading his team on a pace that would lead to the most points scored of any team in NFL history.

Brady is leading his team on a pace that would lead to the most touchdowns scored of any team in NFL history.

Brady is leading his team on a pace that would result in the greatest points differential in the history of the NFL.

Brady is currently on pace to have the second best single season quarterback rating in the history of the NFL.

Brady is currently on pace to have more yards passing in a season than any quarterback in history with the exception of Dan Marino.

Brady is currently #1 in the league in pass completion %, passing TD%, Net Yds/Pass Att, Passing Yds/game, Passing Tds, Passing Yds and Passer rating, while ranking second in Pass Intercept % and Passes Completed.

While Manning has never averaged 300 yards passing per game for a season or had fewer than 9 interceptions in a season, Brady is currently averaging 302.5 yards passing per game (currently 5th all time) while having thrown just 6 interceptions to date.

In short, Tom Brady is currently on pace to have the greatest single season of any quarterback in the history of the NFL. Manning isn't anywhere near the quarterback that Brady is this season.

TEAM WINS. Without the defense, this team would be 12-2, on account of Brady's poor decisions in the Jets and Indy game. Plug Manning into this team, and the winning streak would be intact.

Manning shut it down in the last game of the year otherwise he would have more than 49 TDs and Brady probably wouldn't even sniff the record. As it stands, it is not a certainty that Brady will break the record and he definitely will not if he continues his recent crappy play. So, talk to me when the season's over and we'll see if "on pace" results in "getting the record".

Lastly, I don't care about records. I do care about winning superbowls and Manning on this team would be a certainty to win the superbowl. This is why he's currently the better QB.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

I hope Brady gets back to what made him great when he had less to work with. Hitting the open guy, no matter who it is.
He's having a phenomenal year, but the last few weeks, he's had several situations where he's favored Moss over an open receiver.
I'd like to see Stallworth get more action on the screens and slants.

Hopefully, we'll have a healthy TE for the next few weeks.

Meh-it happens, people are human. In the Philly game, Romo tried to force it to Owens, resulting in 3 picks. Doubt if it will happen again.

I'm sure Brady and co went back to the drawing board.

 

[Deus Irae]

TEAM WINS. Without the defense, this team would be 12-2, on account of Brady's poor decisions in the Jets and Indy game. Plug Manning into this team, and the winning streak would be intact.

Manning shut it down in the last game of the year otherwise he would have more than 49 TDs and Brady probably wouldn't even sniff the record. As it stands, it is not a certainty that Brady will break the record and he definitely will not if he continues his recent crappy play. So, talk to me when the season's over and we'll see if "on pace" results in "getting the record".

Lastly, I don't care about records. I do care about winning superbowls and Manning on this team would be a certainty to win the superbowl. This is why he's currently the better QB.

In other words, you're just pulling nonsense out of your ass, as usual. Ok, you're just going on "ignore". After all, Manning is better even though your argument is that it's about "winning superbowls" and Brady has 3 to Manning's 1. Sayonara, troll.

 

[FibSeq13478]

TEAM WINS. Without the defense, this team would be 12-2, on account of Brady's poor decisions in the Jets and Indy game. Plug Manning into this team, and the winning streak would be intact.
Lastly, I don't care about records. I do care about winning superbowls and Manning on this team would be a certainty to win the superbowl. This is why he's currently the better QB.

Hey, Is that you Archie?
On second thoughts, it is unlikely. You sound like PayTon's Mommy or his agent who does not know much about football but is a personal cheerleader. Aren't you on the wrong board?

 

[Water Boy]

Brady did not take available check downs and dump offs on over 50% of his drop backs, instead he locked in on Moss and had difficulty completing medium to long distance passes against the Jets coverage.

I agree. He was definitely forcing the issue with Moss and forgetting about his favorite receiver.

 

[TruthSeeker]

TEAM WINS. Without the defense, this team would be 12-2, on account of Brady's poor decisions in the Jets and Indy game. Plug Manning into this team, and the winning streak would be intact.

Manning shut it down in the last game of the year otherwise he would have more than 49 TDs and Brady probably wouldn't even sniff the record. As it stands, it is not a certainty that Brady will break the record and he definitely will not if he continues his recent crappy play. So, talk to me when the season's over and we'll see if "on pace" results in "getting the record".

Lastly, I don't care about records. I do care about winning superbowls and Manning on this team would be a certainty to win the superbowl. This is why he's currently the better QB.

You're kidding me, right? You can't argue based on what they've actually done, so you create hypotheticals and argue that Manning is better.

- You argue that Tom Brady should be 12-2 (ignoring that the Patriots actually won the Jets game by 10 points and that the primary reason the Colts game was close was due to awful officiating)
- You claim that the defense is the only reason the Patriots won this team game (wow, what a shocker that teams need both an offense and a defense to consistently win games )
- You then make the ridiculous assertion that Manning's hypothetical 14-0 record is better than Brady's hypothetical 12-2 record - even though Tom Brady's record in reality is 14-0 whereas Manning had a game earlier this year where his defense played quite well and he managed to throw 6 interceptions to lose the game.

I'm not holding my breath for a fair and balanced perspective here.

 

[scott c]

Better get rid of Brady and see if Hugh Millen will come back and save us......:singing:

 

[Seacoast Fan]

No one here that I have read, and certainly not Ochmed in the first post, doubts Brady's talent. the original point was, did Brady force the ball too much to Moss?
Geez, if you can't ask that type of question on this board, what is the point of coming in here?
Someone made the point we outscored the Jets by a 2-1 margin, so there couldn't possibly be a problem with the offense. True, but 14 points came from the interception and the blocked punt. And I am not being critical of Brady when I say that. Others in here have made the point that it is a team game, and you need the whole team to help out, its not a criticism of Brady to recognize that fact.
I think Brady did force it a bit too much to Moss, I think Brady knows that now and I think we will see less of that thiw weekend against Miami. Brady is nothing if not smart.

 

[Seacoast Fan]

TEAM WINS. Without the defense, this team would be 12-2, on account of Brady's poor decisions in the Jets and Indy game. Plug Manning into this team, and the winning streak would be intact.

Manning shut it down in the last game of the year otherwise he would have more than 49 TDs and Brady probably wouldn't even sniff the record. As it stands, it is not a certainty that Brady will break the record and he definitely will not if he continues his recent crappy play. So, talk to me when the season's over and we'll see if "on pace" results in "getting the record".

Lastly, I don't care about records. I do care about winning superbowls and Manning on this team would be a certainty to win the superbowl. This is why he's currently the better QB.

This post is wrong on so many levels it is hard to know where to begin.
1."Without the D"...so, what is your point....Manning has never been bailed out by a teammate or, better yet, an entire UNIT of players in his career?
2.Brady was damn near perfect in the Indy game in the 4th quarter.
3."manning shut it down"...please, he plays in a dome. When he goes ont eh road late in the year, it is usually south, not to , say Buffalo or NY, outdoors, in the snow ans freezing weather. If the Pats had a dome this year, Brady would be at 55 already.
4.Manning on the Pats would be a lock for the SB...based on what..his INFERIOR QB performance this year?
5. If stats dont matter and only winning the SB does, then doeant that make Brady better than PM, both historically (3-1) and this year (undefeated so far)?

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

No one here that I have read, and certainly not Ochmed in the first post, doubts Brady's talent. the original point was, did Brady force the ball too much to Moss?
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so if Brady throws the ball up to moss so he can jump and get it just like in the fins game then he's all-pro and no one doubts him, but if he throws it up and moss doesn't catch it then people doubt him and look for any man uncovered?

don't people think the pats defensive game plan was to let pennington dink and dunk?

the jets had a different defensive game plan with blitzing. and weren't giving the small routes all the time so brady tried to get them to pay with single coverage on these blitzes and he needed to throw deep occassionally otherwise safeties would creep up.

1st down sets up the second down play. we can't always get a first down on every play.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

check the above. brady made the same throws to moss all year long except he completed many of them in double coverage. so now he tries them and doesn't get them- now they're considered "poor decision making".

"locking in on moss"- be original, this is straight from espn. they should have copywritten this. again brady has done this all season.

brady did not have a tight end. have we not recalled that watson was out for a bunch of games prior to this one??? unless we're talking about kyle brady he did not have a fast tight end in the seam.

brady is not all madden for one game and it's the end of the world and he made bad decisions.

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I've just come to terms that we're mere mortals trying to comprehend the theory of relativity to football from einstein(BB).

First two comments highlighted above: Agree on your point that TB has been doing it (passing to Moss) in the past with success and just because he doesn't connect now does not mean 'poor decision making'.

When I responded, I didn't focus on the 'poor decision making' phrase; I was looking at it in this maner: when catching the ball and scoring is not easy on a wind/rain affected day, wouldn't it be better to finish easy short passes to receivers who are free? TB conceded that in his post-game interview and I think Reiss also mentions this in his mail blog that there were more than a couple of times when the other guys were free.

On the blatant copying of ESPN's words: hey come on, don't reveal on public forum the source for some of us who don't know anything much about anything ok??

On your point on the TE: isn't that exactly what the OP mentions?

"end of the world": come on, when did the OP mention or even suggest such things?? This is exactly my point in my first response in this thread: why make it sound that the guy was blasting TB and claiming doom??

Last point: touche'

I just wish we have a nice W tomorrow without any injuries. And hope the friggin rain stays out until the first half so that TB and Moss get some records out of the way.

GO PATS!!