How does Welker NOT make the Pro Bowl?

[Keegs]

I'd like to slant this the other way:

Given that Jacksonville has NO players going to the Pro Bowl, how does Matt Light MAKE the Pro Bowl?

Khalif Barnes should be there over him.

Matt Light Leg-whipped his way to the pro bowl. He is much better at doing that than Khalif

 

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Matt Light Leg-whipped his way to the pro bowl. He is much better at doing that than Khalif

I actually thought Matt Light's leg whip left much to be desired.

 

[Mogamedogz]

I'd like to slant this the other way:

Given that Jacksonville has NO players going to the Pro Bowl, how does Matt Light MAKE the Pro Bowl?

Khalif Barnes should be there over him.

Or even Garrard over Roethlisberger. The dude came back from freaking CRONES disease... wins the starting QB battle in camp, and has played smart tough football all season. He should have edged out Rottenburger for the QB3 spot.

 

[bradmahn]

Or even Garrard over Roethlisberger. The dude came back from freaking CRONES disease... wins the starting QB battle in camp, and has played smart tough football all season. He should have edged out Rottenburger for the QB3 spot.

But Roethlisberger has more statistics that makes him more deserving!

 

[unoriginal]

The voting was for this year, and the reality is that most of Houshmandzadeh's catches were meaningless. Had he made some clutch catches, he might have helped his team. Welker made catches when it counted.

You could make the argument that Chris Hanson's punts have been much more meaningful than Shane Lechler's this year.

 

[Mogamedogz]

But Roethlisberger has more statistics that makes him more deserving!

Yrds and TD's arent the only two statistics counted bro...

Garrard has the better QB rating, has only thrown TWO picks all season, and out played ben in their (crucial) head to head match up in ****ty conditions (on the road).

 

[unoriginal]

Yrds and TD's arent the only two statistics counted bro...

Garrard has the better QB rating, has only thrown TWO picks all season, and out played ben in their (crucial) head to head match up in ****ty conditions (on the road).

I'd go with Roethisberger if only because that Steelers O-line has been bad all year. 2nd in the league in sacks and Big Ben shakes off like 4 more a game.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'd like to slant this the other way:

Given that Jacksonville has NO players going to the Pro Bowl, how does Matt Light MAKE the Pro Bowl?

Khalif Barnes should be there over him.

While I have been publicly calling for that #1 pick to be used on a dominant tackle prospect, I still don't understand why people insist on underrating Matt Light. He's a quality player.

 

[Real World]

The fact that Welker plays on a better team does NOT make him more deserving to go to the Pro Bowl.

If the statistics are identical I think it does. Playing on a winning team means important play, while playing on a loser could mean garbage time play. I don't think it's critical, but I think it should be considered when all else is equal.

 

[bradmahn]

I think he was agreeing with you.

I agree that Garrard deserves it more than Roethlisberger for a lot of the reasons that I think Welker deserves it more than TJ, particularly that they are both more productive than their respective counterparts.

 

[wdkantro2]

I agree Housh deserves the nod. Through 8 game she was on pace for like 154 receptions (I know; I have him in my point per reception fantasy league).

Had Henry not returned from his suspension there is no doubt he would have shattered Marvin Harrison's single season record.

As is, he'll still likely end up with 110+ catches. Please go find all the WRs who had 110+ catches in a season and show me the one(s) that did not go to the Pro Bowl.

Welker could end up pretty damn close to that 110 mark...

 

[Mogamedogz]

This is silly Felgerism (automatically labeling any opinion that favors a Pats player as homerism in order to make that opinion somehow seem invalid, and thus somehow make his own opinion seem more valid.)

Fact is, it doesn't matter how long Housh has been overlooked. The voting was for this year, and the reality is that most of Houshmandzadeh's catches were meaningless. Had he made some clutch catches, he might have helped his team. Welker made catches when it counted.

It could easily go either way, but the way I see it is that Welker has done a lot more that Whosyourmama this year.

No catch is "meaningless". Did it not net positive yardage for his team? Do his TD's count for less than 6 points because he plays on a crappy team?

When his number was called... he did his part. In the end, his numbers are just better. He has had an outstanding season. if there were a 4th slot, it would be Welker's... But since there isn’t, he is the odd man out (IMO).

You can say it's not homerism all you want... But if Welker was having this season for the Colts, im guessing you would not be giving him the "edge'. That "IS" homerism. Nothing wrong with it... but it's true.

 

[bradmahn]

No catch is "meaningless". Did it not net positive yardage for his team? Do his TD's count for less than 6 points because he plays on a crappy team?

When his number was called... he did his part. In the end, his numbers are just better. He has had an outstanding season. if there were a 4th slot, it would be Welker's... But since there isn’t, he is the odd man out (IMO).

You can say it's not homerism all you want... But if Welker was having this season for the Colts, im guessing you would not be giving him the "edge'. That "IS" homerism. Nothing wrong with it... but it's true.

His numbers are partly better (five catches 24 yards, three TDs) because he has also been targeted 28 more times. :bricks:

When Wes's number is called he does his part better (higher catch percentage, better yards per catch, and he contributes to a W).

 

[PantsB]

If the statistics are identical I think it does. Playing on a winning team means important play, while playing on a loser could mean garbage time play. I don't think it's critical, but I think it should be considered when all else is equal.

First, its not the most valuable wide receiver selection. The importance of play is irrelevant.

In the context of an All-Star context - not a Most Valuable context - being on a good team with identical stats works the opposite of what you describe. The Patriots offensive line is clearly superior to the Bengals. Brady is clearly better than Palmer (especially this year). Welker's fellow targets are better than the Bengals (Johnson aside). Therefore, his numbers should be better than TJ Eyechart's.

Or even Garrard over Roethlisberger. The dude came back from freaking CRONES disease... wins the starting QB battle in camp, and has played smart tough football all season. He should have edged out Rottenburger for the QB3 spot.

If Garrard had played a full season the way he has played a portion of it, he'd be in the Pro Bowl. Missing three and a half games out of the 13 games this vote is taken from makes it tough to make the Pro Bowl. I voted for him as well but I can't get too mad when a guy with a 100+ QB rating beats another guy with a 100+ QB rating but 3 fewer games.

Hell, you could make a strong argument the AFC QBs should be Brady, Roethlisberger, Garrard with Manning on the outside. He's behind all 3 in QB rating, completion %, and Interceptions. He's third of this group in TD (and Garrard missed time), TD% and INT%. Last year that type of performance was enough to knock Brady out and Manning has superior weapons to the 06 Pats even with the injuries his team has had.

 

[alamo]

because that is stupid. No one wants to be a stupid idiot.

This is one of the funniest posts ever on Patsfans!

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

I thought Kelley Washington might make it as a special teamer. He has impressed the heck out of me on ST this season!

Not to mention Dan Koppen getting snubbed. The guy is the best center in the NFL. He should go over Light any day!

 

[Mogamedogz]

His numbers are partly better (five catches 24 yards, three TDs) because he has also been targeted 28 more times. :bricks:

When Wes's number is called he does his part better (higher catch percentage, better yards per catch, and he contributes to a W).

And how exactly do Housh's stats NOT "contribute to a "W"? They certainly don’t contribute to the "loss". :bricks: Wins and losses are a team effort. Welker plays on arguably the greatest passing team in the HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE. Id have to say that the match up's he has seen, balances out the 28more targets.

FWIW... "Targets" don’t necessarily mean "ON targets". It could just mean that he has been only one of a few (two) options in the passing game for most of the season (which he has been).

 

[unoriginal]

Not to mention Dan Koppen getting snubbed. The guy is the best center in the NFL. He should go over Light any day!

Dan Koppen is going, Armen.

 

[unoriginal]

While I have been publicly calling for that #1 pick to be used on a dominant tackle prospect, I still don't understand why people insist on underrating Matt Light. He's a quality player.

And I don't actually know how good Khalif Barnes is. I was simply responsding to the logic that Welker should go because Dallas is sending 11 of their own players.

 

[Pats Fan in Indy]

anyone think that Derek Anderson should have made it over Big Ben and Garrard?