Mangini used Belichick’s strategy against Belichick

[weswelker#83]

It was January, 1991, and then-Giants defensive coordinator Bill Belichick devised a brilliant plan that slowed down the high-scoring, quick-strike Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Instead of the usual 3-4 scheme, Belichick employed a two-man line — a 2-4-5 alignment. The strategy came with this unorthodox charge: If Thurman Thomas rushes for 100 yards, Belichick told the defensive players, we’ll win.

It was a rope-a-dope, and it worked perfectly. Essentially, the Giants made the Bills run (Thomas got his 100), taking the ball out of Jim Kelly’s hands and shortening the game.
On Sunday, Mangini used Belichick’s strategy against Belichick, and it kept the Jets in the game against the heavily-favored Patriots. The Jets wound up losing, 20-10, in the so-called Spy Bowl in Foxborough, the latest chapter in the blood feud between the two divisional rivals, but they may have uncovered a way to beat the undefeated, history-seeking Patriots.

Make them run. Make them hold the ball. Make them work for it Make them score the old-fashioned way, with long, methodical drives. Test their patience. Better to surrender five yards a pop than to suffer the quick death, say, a 50-yard pass from Tom Brady to Randy Moss.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22289847/

 

[sebman2112]

Maybe the weather had something to do with NE's struggles in the passing game?

Oh, and the Jets were crashing the LOS on a number of those runs.

 

[NE39]

Of course, the guy completely ignores the elements and the effect they had on the game.

His whole point is "make the Pats run", but nobody outside of Mother Nature has been able to do that all year.

Dumb article.

 

[patpatriot]

Not to mention the Jets *lost* the game ...

 

[weswelker#83]

Didn't see the game, but I guess it helps to explain Maroney's day.

Ok now here is my question , if their defense allowed us to run , why does maroney came up only with 4 and 5 yards , where are the 19 yearders that dillon used to put on sundays in/out .
And remember , the jets focused on the pass this sunday .... i am still not convinced about our running game .

 

[jays52]

The 2-4 and 1-5 nickel packages are nothing new for Belichick. Mangina picked them up in 2003 and 2004 when they were used primarily against Indy. There is also a 1-4 and 0-5 dime that has been used frequently. Nothing new, really. It's design is to eliminate pre-snap reads and try to confuse both the QB and line after the snap. It's both a coverage and pressure set. It's successful within most 3-4 personell groupings due to the versatility of the linebackers.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok now here is my question , if their defense allowed us to run , why does maroney came up only with 4 and 5 yards , where are the 19 yearders that dillon used to put on sundays in/out .
And remember , the jets focused on the pass this sunday .... i am still not convinced about our running game .

When did having 9 men in the box equate to focusing on the pass?

 

[weswelker#83]

When did having 9 men in the box equate to focusing on the pass?

Mangini and coordinator Bob Sutton used only two down linemen (sometimes just one), essentially telling Brady, “Go ahead, run the ball, we dare you.”



There were only 2 on the line of scrimmage

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

It was January, 1991, and then-Giants defensive coordinator Bill Belichick devised a brilliant plan that slowed down the high-scoring, quick-strike Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Instead of the usual 3-4 scheme, Belichick employed a two-man line — a 2-4-5 alignment. The strategy came with this unorthodox charge: If Thurman Thomas rushes for 100 yards, Belichick told the defensive players, we’ll win.

It was a rope-a-dope, and it worked perfectly. Essentially, the Giants made the Bills run (Thomas got his 100), taking the ball out of Jim Kelly’s hands and shortening the game.
On Sunday, Mangini used Belichick’s strategy against Belichick, and it kept the Jets in the game against the heavily-favored Patriots. The Jets wound up losing, 20-10, in the so-called Spy Bowl in Foxborough, the latest chapter in the blood feud between the two divisional rivals, but they may have uncovered a way to beat the undefeated, history-seeking Patriots.

Make them run. Make them hold the ball. Make them work for it Make them score the old-fashioned way, with long, methodical drives. Test their patience. Better to surrender five yards a pop than to suffer the quick death, say, a 50-yard pass from Tom Brady to Randy Moss.

Full Article :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22289847/

I appreciate you posting the article.

Hey Cimini - The Jets lost and the weather (not the Jet's defensive strategy) dictated that the Pats run the ball as much as they did.

Rich Cimini has served up some crappers before. This was sloppy ill-informed journalism at its best. He's more interested in whipping up a story line and sprinkling in some man hug humor than he is about reporting on the actual facts of the game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Mangini and coordinator Bob Sutton used only two down linemen (sometimes just one), essentially telling Brady, “Go ahead, run the ball, we dare you.”



There were only 2 on the line of scrimmage

You'd better call the Jets announcers then, because they were watching a completely different game.

 

[weswelker#83]

I appreciate you posting the article.

Hey Cimini - The Jets lost and the weather (not the Jet's defensive strategy) dictated that the Pats run the ball as much as they did.

Rich Cimini has served up some crappers before. This was sloppy ill-informed journalism at its best. He's more interested in whipping up a story line and sprinkling in some man hug humor than he is about reporting on the actual facts of the game.

You are right we won the game , a win is a win , and i never heard about this cimini guy before .
I just tought it was interesting to analyse his article .

 

[bradmahn]

Mangini and coordinator Bob Sutton used only two down linemen (sometimes just one), essentially telling Brady, “Go ahead, run the ball, we dare you.”



There were only 2 on the line of scrimmage

Two at the line of scrimmage, but eight, nine in the box. Blitzes do as much to stuff a run as they do to pressure the quarterback.

 

[jays52]

Mangini and coordinator Bob Sutton used only two down linemen (sometimes just one), essentially telling Brady, “Go ahead, run the ball, we dare you.”



There were only 2 on the line of scrimmage

Right, but this becomes irrelevent when you consider your front 7 guys as defenders and not group them as linemen and linebackers. 3-4 personell are stout by definition. Linemen are required to 2-gap, backers are required to be pass rushers and stout inside against the run. As opposed to schemes such as Dungy's brand of cover-2 where linebackers run around blockers, 3-4 backers have to run through blocks. They're big, strong guys who can engage blockers. Defending the run is all about technique. Backers playing with good technique should win a head-on collision with a guy 50 to 60 pounds bigger than them. Beating a guard is chapter one of linebacker 101.

Within that personell grouping, you have long, strong 2-technique guys who can eat up blockers at set a hard LOS. So, you have two down-linemen who when read run play the 2-technique and eat up some blockers. The backers then play run within their respective roles. They crash and/or slide the LOS and clog up the running lanes. The number of guys with their hand down is irrelevent to how well a scheme can defend the run.

 

[sebman2112]

You are right we won the game , a win is a win , and i never heard about this cimini guy before .
I just tought it was interesting to analyse his article .

Cimini's a well known mediot, who generally writes BS articles about the Patriots, especially if the article also involves the Jets.

Again, the Jets were crashing the LOS with extra men on a number of plays. Maroney's still being able to pick up 4, 5, 8, and even 11 yards on some carries, and end the game with over 100 yards was a good rushing performance.

 

[weswelker#83]

Right, but this becomes irrelevent when you consider your front 7 guys as defenders and not group them as linemen and linebackers. 3-4 personell are stout by definition. Linemen are required to 2-gap, backers are required to be pass rushers and stout inside against the run. As opposed to schemes such as Dungy's brand of cover-2 where linebackers run around blockers, 3-4 backers have to run through blocks. They're big, strong guys who can engage blockers. Defending the run is all about technique. Backers playing with good technique should win a head-on collision with a guy 50 to 60 pounds bigger than them. Beating a guard is chapter one of linebacker 101.

Within that personell grouping, you have long, strong 2-technique guys who can eat up blockers at set a hard LOS. So, you have two down-linemen who when read run play the 2-technique and eat up some blockers. The backers then play run within their respective roles. They crash and/or slide the LOS and clog up the running lanes. The number of guys with their hand down is irrelevent to how well a scheme can defend the run.

Exactly , they did clog up the running lanes .

 

[RayClay]

Every strategy he uses is a Belichick strategy.

 

[Born_a_Patriot]

Every strategy he uses is a Belichick strategy.

TRUE............

 

[Fixit]

Oh, look! Another losing blueprint!

 

[NE39]

The article conveniently omits that the other half of that Belichick game plan was the Giant's offense controlling the ball. They held the ball almost 40 minutes in that game, which they won by a point.

The Pats had a big TOP advantage yesterday. If teams want to employ that strategy, the Pats are fully capable of putting together long drives. They have done so quite a bit this year, and they have shown the ability to score in the Red Zone once they get down there. They aren't a one-dimensional team that relies on big plays, they are a team that can do a lot of different things, but happens to be real good in the passing game.

The article is silly on a number of levels, and isn't anything to be concerned about. The only thing yesterday's game showed is if you hope to slow down the Pats offense, pray for a blizzard.

 

[Keegs]

I hope that in all the remaining games the pats play this year, the opposing coach will "use Belichick's strategy against him".

I have no problem with the Pats winning all of their remaining games by exactly 10 points.