Jerry Rice isnt as impressed with Moss' record

[Satchboogie3]

It's Jerry Rice. Greatest Football player in history. So I'll give him a pass on this one.

I have to disagree with you. I believe we are watching the greatest football player in history right now. Tom Terrific. Greatest WR, yes; Greatest player, no.

 

[tombonneau]

It's Jerry Rice. Greatest Football player in history. So I'll give him a pass on this one.

NFL is not giving just Moss 16 games. All other receivers are getting 16 games too. No one seems to be able to break the 20 TD mark.

If Moss gets 29 TDs by the end of the season, then Rice would have to give credit as Moss's average would be the same as that of Rice. I know it's impossible, let's wait and see.

Pretty sure he was kind of trying to make a joke with that line. Probably came off better in person.

FYI, looked up his stats for that year. Not one game without a TD. 3 3 TD game and 7 of 12 multiple TD games:

Regular Season  	Games  	Receiving  	Rushing  	Fumbles
WK 	Game Date 	Opp 	Result 	G 	GS 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Long 	TD 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
1 	09/13 	@ PIT 	L   17-30 	1 	-- 	8 	106 	13.3 	32 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
2 	09/20 	@ CIN 	W   27-26 	1 	-- 	4 	86 	21.5 	34T 	2 	1 	4 	4.0 	4 	0 	-- 	--
6 	10/25 	@ NO 	W   24-22 	1 	-- 	6 	89 	14.8 	39 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
7 	11/01 	@ RAM 	W   31-10 	1 	-- 	3 	70 	23.3 	51T 	1 	1 	2 	2.0 	2 	0 	-- 	--
8 	11/08 	HOU 	W   27-20 	1 	-- 	7 	77 	11.0 	21 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
9 	11/15 	NO 	L   24-26 	1 	-- 	4 	108 	27.0 	50T 	2 	2 	22 	11.0 	17 	0 	-- 	--
10 	11/22 	@ TB 	W   24-10 	1 	-- 	7 	103 	14.7 	42T 	3 	1 	10 	10.0 	10 	0 	-- 	--
11 	11/29 	CLE 	W   38-24 	1 	-- 	7 	126 	18.0 	30T 	3 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
12 	12/06 	@ GB 	W   23-12 	1 	-- 	4 	90 	22.5 	57T 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
13 	12/14 	CHI 	W   41-0 	1 	-- 	8 	75 	9.4 	17 	3 	1 	12 	12.0 	12 	0 	-- 	--
14 	12/20 	ATL 	W   35-7 	1 	-- 	4 	58 	14.5 	20T 	2 	1 	5 	5.0 	5T 	1 	-- 	--
15 	12/27 	RAM 	W   48-0 	1 	-- 	3 	90 	30.0 	50T 	2 	1 	-4 	-4.0 	-4 	0 	-- 	--
TOTAL 	12 	0 	65 	1,078 	16.6 	57 	22 	8 	51 	6.4 	17 	1 	0 	0

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Yeah, but no 4 TD games

He still has obviously the most impressive 12 consecutive games for a wide receiver... and there's no other way to quantify it. It's too bad for all concerned that it was a strike year... Moss will have the record (possibly,) but Rice's single season is still the gold standard for those that know the details, or saw the season.

PFnV

 

[wdkantro2]

If there's one former player I will always listen to, it's Jerry Rice. He is absolutely right. 22 touchdowns in 12 games is out of this world. Anyone who thinks 22 TDs in 12 games is less impressive than 22 TDs in 16 games is a moron. What do you expect him to say?
He was just bringing up a valid point, and he still said he would congratulate him. As usual, this is just the members of this board getting worked up over another NON STORY because it might seem disrespectful to the Pats.

 

[tombonneau]

Yeah, but no 4 TD games

He still has obviously the most impressive 12 consecutive games for a wide receiver... and there's no other way to quantify it. It's too bad for all concerned that it was a strike year... Moss will have the record (possibly,) but Rice's single season is still the gold standard for those that know the details, or saw the season.

PFnV

It will be interesting to see if by end of year if you take away Moss' 4 worst games he will have 22 TDs. He has two 0 TD games already and a handful of 1 TD games. He'd probably need to end up with like 27 TDs to really, really lay a solid claim to the record.

 

[Remix 6]

hes impressed..he likes Randy..he thinks hes great but hes just saying..he played 12 games Randy is doing 16 so the record shouldnt be all Randy's

 

[tombonneau]

If there's one former player I will always listen to, it's Jerry Rice. He is absolutely right. 22 touchdowns in 12 games is out of this world. Anyone who thinks 22 TDs in 12 games is less impressive than 22 TDs in 16 games is a moron. What do you expect him to say?
He was just bringing up a valid point, and he still said he would congratulate him. As usual, this is just the members of this board getting worked up over another NON STORY because it might seem disrespectful to the Pats.

Agree 100% with this post. Rice should actually thank Moss twice. If it weren't for Moss breaking the record, no one would really be talking about Rice's single season record, which is now getting the attention & props it rightfully deserve for it's insane 22 TDs in 12 games impressiveness.

 

[maverick4]

I kind of agree with Rice, what he did in 12 games was amazing.

Using a similar kind of reasoning, it is why if we have a perfect season it will be more impressive than the Dolphins' one because ours was longer.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

It will be interesting to see if by end of year if you take away Moss' 4 worst games he will have 22 TDs. He has two 0 TD games already and a handful of 1 TD games. He'd probably need to end up with like 27 TDs to really, really lay a solid claim to the record.

Nah, the record is the record. It just plain is what it is. But if you're in a bar argument comparing those 2 seasons, then, yeah, he'd need to SMASH the record.

 

[marty]

Pretty sure he was kind of trying to make a joke with that line. Probably came off better in person.

FYI, looked up his stats for that year. Not one game without a TD. 3 3 TD game and 7 of 12 multiple TD games:

Regular Season  	Games  	Receiving  	Rushing  	Fumbles
WK 	Game Date 	Opp 	Result 	G 	GS 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Long 	TD 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
1 	09/13 	@ PIT 	L   17-30 	1 	-- 	8 	106 	13.3 	32 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
2 	09/20 	@ CIN 	W   27-26 	1 	-- 	4 	86 	21.5 	34T 	2 	1 	4 	4.0 	4 	0 	-- 	--
6 	10/25 	@ NO 	W   24-22 	1 	-- 	6 	89 	14.8 	39 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
7 	11/01 	@ RAM 	W   31-10 	1 	-- 	3 	70 	23.3 	51T 	1 	1 	2 	2.0 	2 	0 	-- 	--
8 	11/08 	HOU 	W   27-20 	1 	-- 	7 	77 	11.0 	21 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
9 	11/15 	NO 	L   24-26 	1 	-- 	4 	108 	27.0 	50T 	2 	2 	22 	11.0 	17 	0 	-- 	--
10 	11/22 	@ TB 	W   24-10 	1 	-- 	7 	103 	14.7 	42T 	3 	1 	10 	10.0 	10 	0 	-- 	--
11 	11/29 	CLE 	W   38-24 	1 	-- 	7 	126 	18.0 	30T 	3 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
12 	12/06 	@ GB 	W   23-12 	1 	-- 	4 	90 	22.5 	57T 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
13 	12/14 	CHI 	W   41-0 	1 	-- 	8 	75 	9.4 	17 	3 	1 	12 	12.0 	12 	0 	-- 	--
14 	12/20 	ATL 	W   35-7 	1 	-- 	4 	58 	14.5 	20T 	2 	1 	5 	5.0 	5T 	1 	-- 	--
15 	12/27 	RAM 	W   48-0 	1 	-- 	3 	90 	30.0 	50T 	2 	1 	-4 	-4.0 	-4 	0 	-- 	--
TOTAL 	12 	0 	65 	1,078 	16.6 	57 	22 	8 	51 	6.4 	17 	1 	0 	0

I must be reading this wrong? Looks like you have 22 receptions with 17 TD's?

 

[tombonneau]

Nah, the record is the record. It just plain is what it is. But if you're in a bar argument comparing those 2 seasons, then, yeah, he'd need to SMASH the record.

Well, yeah, obv. he'd have the record. My point is 22 in 12 is 1.83 TDs a game.

In a 16 game season you have 29-30 TDs with that average. So IMO in order for someone to equal the impressiveness of Rice's record they'd need 30 receiving TDs which is a mighty insane number.

 

[sebman2112]

Eh, I have to go with Jerry on this one. The fact that he did do it in 12 games is unreal. As long as the media points out when Moss breaks it that Jerry did it in a short season it is fine, I think. Not a lot of people are aware of that.

Yea, but we need to remember the level of comp Rice was playing against, in some of those games.

 

[tombonneau]

I must be reading this wrong? Looks like you have 22 receptions with 17 TD's?

Total row did not line up properly. You need to scroll right to see the Red TD column.

 

[sanvara]

Well, yeah, obv. he'd have the record. My point is 22 in 12 is 1.83 TDs a game.

In a 16 game season you have 29-30 TDs with that average. So IMO in order for someone to equal the impressiveness of Rice's record they'd need 30 receiving TDs which is a mighty insane number.

Yeah, Rice is still untouchable in that respect.

22 TD in 12 games would still be much more impressive than 23 in 16 games.

 

[tombonneau]

Yea, but we need to remember the level of comp Rice was playing against, in some of those games.

Rice didn't cross the line, did he? Pretty sure he was playing with starters in those games, no?

I seem to recall as a kid Steve Largent or someone was on pace to absolutely smash every single game receiving record in that season vs. scrubs but pulled himself out.

ETA:

Yeah, it was Largent. Check out this stat line vs. Detroit in Wk 3:

15-261-3

 

[apricissimus]

I think when you've accomplished as much as Jerry Rice has accomplished, you've earned the right to respect or not respect pretty much anything you want when it comes to records, or football.

 

[Disco Volante]

The truth of it is, Jerry, is that you had multiple seasons of 16 games to set the record. So if you couldn't beat your own 12 game record in other seasons of 16 games, then it should stand as still being impressive.

Yup.

Welcome to the list of former bitter players Jerry Rice.

 

[BadMoFo]

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

Thats the part I have a problem with. That statement is putting himself above the league. Its the league's record. It's a full season. It doesn't matter how many games you played. You don't see people complaining that they should adjust 14-game season stats to the equivalent of 16 games. I think it is a selfish statement.

I'm pretty sure he was joking about that. The league gives everyone 16 games, even when Jerry Rice was playing.

I don't get some people here. Now, people here are upset at Jerry Rice, possibly the best player to play football because he makes a simple mention of him getting his record in four fewer games, even after he said he'd congratulate him. Get over it!

 

[tombonneau]

More on that Largent game ... he did pull himself. If Largent did this vs. scrubs, imagine what Rice would have done in those weeks ...

Largent, back with Seattle after crossing the picket line earlier in the week, caught 15 passes for 261 yards and three touchdowns in a little more than a half today as the Seahawks beat the Detroit Lions, 37-14, in the last game for most of the replacement players.

Largent, who extended his National Football League record to 143 consecutive games with at least one reception, almost certainly would have broken the record for most catches in a game had he not come out with 9 minutes 26 seconds remaining in the third quarter. The record of 18 receptions was set by Tom Fears of the Los Angeles Rams in 1950.

''I felt by halftime we had already played a full game,'' Largent said.

He finished with one more reception than the entire Detroit squad.

 

[sanvara]

It will be interesting to see if by end of year if you take away Moss' 4 worst games he will have 22 TDs.

To be fair then you would have to take away Jerry Rice's 4 worst games from his 22 TD season too and calculate his TD per game average over 16 games. I would imagine that would calculate to well over 30 TD's for a 16 game season.