madinsomniac
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First of all, I respect the Pats and think they are clearly the best team in the league this year, however even if they go 19-0, one cannot objectively judge their team as the best of all time or even really close to that.
I know saying this on a Pats messageboard will likely not find anyone objective enough to realize it yet, but like the Colt-Rams-Vikings (and yes, the steelers of 04) best of all time arguments that were made by almost the exact same “experts” from the national news services , this one too will prove to be premature
To judge such things, one has to break down all the components of the team separately.
Your Starting Quarterback and Receiver Core rivals any other teams in recent memory, (Brady is already in the top 3 QB’s of all time, but still falls behind Montanna and Graham by a unanimous vote of all those old geezers who actually saw them play, and 3 of your top 4 recievers would be the go to receiver elsewhere, and the fourth would be a solid number 2, So I would grade both of those components as all time caliber positions.
Your TE’s, as well, are underrated, and all in all this is the best passing game since the Vikes and rams went wild in the late90’s/early 00’s
But the run game is not anything special by any means, for instance, if this team had to convert 10 consecutive fourth and 2 conversions, how many of those do you think this team would actually try to run for?
And which is really more likely, the team trying to pass late for more points, simply to “prove” something to the rest of the league, or to keep the running stats compiled when teams are playing the pass so heavily the running backs have some room to run and element of surprise from being exposed when they have to run the ball?
Which brings us to the question, compared to the Bears of 85, any of the great steelers or 49r or even cowboys teams, would this run game be even be acknowledged?
The O line is exceptionally good, But if you were compiling a list of the 30 greatest O lines of all time, do you think anyone would think about this one? Solid yes, One of the best of all time, no.
How about the D? If you had a choice of any of the other “great team’s Defenses to win 1 game with, would you really take this one 1st? how about 2nd, 3rd? would you take the linebacking core over the steelers of 78, the DB’s over the Lott led 49rs?
Look, this team is great, the best so far of this decade for sure, don’t think I don’t see that, I just think that overall they have the fortune of having played a great season with a loaded offense and better than average D combined with some good luck in close games and that a bounce here or there and I could have already been over. The 72 dolphins weren’t the best of all time by any means, but they managed an undefeated season. Though a writer for espn last year tried to object that undefeated = best, I have often heard that sometimes even the best of the best lose one to an inferior team. The colts were better than we were in 05, and we won the super bowl.
I know saying this on a Pats messageboard will likely not find anyone objective enough to realize it yet, but like the Colt-Rams-Vikings (and yes, the steelers of 04) best of all time arguments that were made by almost the exact same “experts” from the national news services , this one too will prove to be premature
To judge such things, one has to break down all the components of the team separately.
Your Starting Quarterback and Receiver Core rivals any other teams in recent memory, (Brady is already in the top 3 QB’s of all time, but still falls behind Montanna and Graham by a unanimous vote of all those old geezers who actually saw them play, and 3 of your top 4 recievers would be the go to receiver elsewhere, and the fourth would be a solid number 2, So I would grade both of those components as all time caliber positions.
Your TE’s, as well, are underrated, and all in all this is the best passing game since the Vikes and rams went wild in the late90’s/early 00’s
But the run game is not anything special by any means, for instance, if this team had to convert 10 consecutive fourth and 2 conversions, how many of those do you think this team would actually try to run for?
And which is really more likely, the team trying to pass late for more points, simply to “prove” something to the rest of the league, or to keep the running stats compiled when teams are playing the pass so heavily the running backs have some room to run and element of surprise from being exposed when they have to run the ball?
Which brings us to the question, compared to the Bears of 85, any of the great steelers or 49r or even cowboys teams, would this run game be even be acknowledged?
The O line is exceptionally good, But if you were compiling a list of the 30 greatest O lines of all time, do you think anyone would think about this one? Solid yes, One of the best of all time, no.
How about the D? If you had a choice of any of the other “great team’s Defenses to win 1 game with, would you really take this one 1st? how about 2nd, 3rd? would you take the linebacking core over the steelers of 78, the DB’s over the Lott led 49rs?
Look, this team is great, the best so far of this decade for sure, don’t think I don’t see that, I just think that overall they have the fortune of having played a great season with a loaded offense and better than average D combined with some good luck in close games and that a bounce here or there and I could have already been over. The 72 dolphins weren’t the best of all time by any means, but they managed an undefeated season. Though a writer for espn last year tried to object that undefeated = best, I have often heard that sometimes even the best of the best lose one to an inferior team. The colts were better than we were in 05, and we won the super bowl.