Hochstein False Start: Evans would have had 1st Down

[groundgame]

When Patriots right guard Russ Hochstein abrubtly hooks left, well before the Brady 4th & 1 snap in the final minutes of Monday's game, he leaves an open highway for the Ravens defensive left tackle to throttle Pats fullback Heath Evans almost as he receives the handoff from Tom Brady. Had Hochstein held his position and not false-started, the Pats would have easily gained a first down as tight end Kyle Brady (on the left flank) and LT Matt Light have already done their job in front of Evans, by opening a gap for Evans, off left tackle, to enable Evans to lunge forward for 3 + yards.

Don't buy into the notion that the Pats were dead in the water had the Hochstein false start not occured. It would have been Patriots 1st and 10 on the next play.

 

[ShrewBeer]

dont buy into the timeout play either. brady said today that when he heard the whistle, everyone relaxed, and he just rolled over.

 

[jbb9s]

Is Neal the starter at that RG position and is he banged up or does Hochstein come in for particular drives? I noticed Hochstein, not Neal, was featured on that bow arrow piece ESPN ran before the game.

 

[ShrewBeer]

neal is starter, hochstein backs up several positons on the line

 

[Absurdly Metro]

IIRC, In the Pats/Titans playoff game in 2003 a false start penalty negated a Bruschi INT. Instead of Pats ball the titans converted and ended up scoring a TD. Of course the game came down to the wire.

 

[He Ban Me]

When Patriots right guard Russ Hochstein abrubtly hooks left, well before the Brady 4th & 1 snap in the final minutes of Monday's game, he leaves an open highway for the Ravens defensive left tackle to throttle Pats fullback Heath Evans almost as he receives the handoff from Tom Brady. Had Hochstein held his position and not false-started, the Pats would have easily gained a first down as tight end Kyle Brady (on the left flank) and LT Matt Light have already done their job in front of Evans, by opening a gap for Evans, off left tackle, to enable Evans to lunge forward for 3 + yards.

Don't buy into the notion that the Pats were dead in the water had the Hochstein false start not occured. It would have been Patriots 1st and 10 on the next play.

Amazing how you know all this. If that RT doesn't get over to block the Ravens D-Lineman, your theory gets blown to pieces, as that D Lineman gets to his spot in time to meet Evans, and ring up the loss.

Brady was tongue in check. The TO WAS signaled for, but the ref came running in after the play was all but over. I know you must know Brady was clowing.

 

[Joker]

But nothing

there are no buts

they called T.O.

what Brady did or didn't do means squat...except to fan of the archcriminal, league destroying Polian

 

[ShrewBeer]

Brady was tongue in check. The TO WAS signaled for, but the ref came running in after the play was all but over. I know you must know Brady was clowing.

no he wasnt tongue in cheek. he interviewed today and talked about it for several minutes. he said the whistle was clear as day, everyone heard it, and that they held up halfway through the play. he was dead serious and not joking at all. just because everyone laughed at him at the postgame press conference doesnt mean it was a joke

 

[He Ban Me]

no he wasnt tongue in cheek. he interviewed today and talked about it for several minutes. he said the whistle was clear as day, everyone heard it, and that they held up halfway through the play. he was dead serious and not joking at all. just because everyone laughed at him at the postgame press conference doesnt mean it was a joke

Again, amazing how people can go ahead and carry out plays that never happened. Oh, the whistle blew, otherwise, I would have had it. How the F*CK does he know? Ravens were there and clogged it, and certainly your O-Line was not dominating the game. Who knows what would have happened??

 

[ShrewBeer]

Again, amazing how people can go ahead and carry out plays that never happened. Oh, the whistle blew, otherwise, I would have had it. How the F*CK does he know? Ravens were there and clogged it, and certainly your O-Line was not dominating the game. Who knows what would have happened??

go back to your own country.

 

[Double G]

What happened was we won the @#$%ing game; I know that jerks a knot in your ass because had we lost, and I'm sure you're praying for a loss this weekend and also one vs the Giants, you stool samples would have HFA for the playoffs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Again, amazing how people can go ahead and carry out plays that never happened. Oh, the whistle blew, otherwise, I would have had it. How the F*CK does he know? Ravens were there and clogged it, and certainly your O-Line was not dominating the game. Who knows what would have happened??

1.) The defensive coordinator.... the guy who actually, you know, called the play..... that guy didn't think the play he called would work.

2.) The quarterback of the opposing team...... the guy who was there in the trenches when both whistles were blown, he apparently felt that he would have gotten the first down.


Thank goodness a Colts Troll could be here to set those clowns straight.

 

[He Ban Me]

1.) The defensive coordinator.... the guy who actually, you know, called the play..... that guy didn't think the play he called would work.

2.) The quarterback of the opposing team...... the guy who was there in the trenches when both whistles were blown, he apparently felt that he would have gotten the first down.


Thank goodness a Colts Troll could be here to set those clowns straight.

I don't give a **** what he "felt". If he heard the GD whistle, why didn't he stand up and spike the f*cking ball, or back out and kneel?? Now, think before you speak, because remember, you can't say "well, what if he THOUGHT he heard the whistle, but it wasn't from the refs"? Cause if he THOUGHT this, then he would have TRIED for the first, as it appears he DID.

 

[groundgame]

Amazing how you know all this. If that RT doesn't get over to block the Ravens D-Lineman, your theory gets blown to pieces, as that D Lineman gets to his spot in time to meet Evans, and ring up the loss.


On the replay, Hochstein's early movement away from the Raven's RT is
the only reason the unguarded Ravens D-Lineman is able to jump the snap to surprise Evans. Even if Hochstein hooks left at the proper time, without false starting, that easily gives Evans the time to take Brady's hand-off to move forward to the hole before the Raven's RT, who is going in opposite directions from Evans.

 

[ATippett56]

Pure Speculation!

Regardless, the Patriots won the game and that's all that matters!

 

[PressCoverage]

dont buy into the timeout play either. brady said today that when he heard the whistle, everyone relaxed, and he just rolled over.

actually, if you saw the quote, he clearly gave a wry smile immediately after the sentence and returned the laughter of the press corps... he got stuffed, and no one on the line, nor Brady, "relaxed"...

 

[Joker]

which means what exactly?

seems you're trying to imply the play should have counted

obsess much?

 

[zoostation]

dont buy into the timeout play either. brady said today that when he heard the whistle, everyone relaxed, and he just rolled over.

I think that was more tongue n cheek on Tommy's part.

 

[He Ban Me]

actually, if you saw the quote, he clearly gave a wry smile immediately after the sentence and returned the laughter of the press corps... he got stuffed, and no one on the line, nor Brady, "relaxed"...

^^Uh Shrew???^^

no he wasnt tongue in cheek. he interviewed today and talked about it for several minutes. he said the whistle was clear as day, everyone heard it, and that they held up halfway through the play. he was dead serious and not joking at all. just because everyone laughed at him at the postgame press conference doesnt mean it was a joke

Even the reasonable Pats fans have to come clean on this one Shrew.

 

[He Ban Me]

Amazing how you know all this. If that RT doesn't get over to block the Ravens D-Lineman, your theory gets blown to pieces, as that D Lineman gets to his spot in time to meet Evans, and ring up the loss.


On the replay, Hochstein's early movement away from the Raven's RT is
the only reason the unguarded Ravens D-Lineman is able to jump the snap to surprise Evans. Even if Hochstein hooks left at the proper time, without false starting, that easily gives Evans the time to take Brady's hand-off to move forward to the hole before the Raven's RT, who is going in opposite directions from Evans.

What???

He moves on time, he still vacates that spot, and how is the Ravens D-lineman going opposite? He's coming through that hole and meeting Evans in the backfield. No way Brady takes that snap, turns, hands off, and Evans gets by D-lineman before D-lineman gets through that hole. If the PATS RT doesn't block that man, play blows up for the 2nd time.