Ravens Whining Out of Hand - post-game comments

[TIMEsteelersfan]

Never, ever, ever, ever, ever blame the refs for a loss. If you played well enough to win, you would've won. Period. If Baltimore stops you guys on forth down and 6 then most of the stuff they're whining about never happens in the first place. Furthermore, I thought the officials did a pretty nice job overall last night.

Playing the Ratbirds twice a season I can tell you that the whining you hearing from them is uncharacteristic of Baltimore, which tells me Billick has lost this team. It's all gonna pile on for the Ratbirds now.

:bricks:

 

[Spirit of '76]

What's even worse is that they're (the Ravens players)blaming officiating after they consistently held, illegally chucked, and interfered the Patriots recievers all night!

What about the Derrick Mason PI (tackle) of Assante Samuel on the last hail mary that wasn't called?!? What if Baltimore had a timeout left to kick a game tying field goal???? Who would have gotten the short end of the shaft on that one????

The Ravens tried to employ the same tactic the Pats used against the Rams in the Superbowl. But there's a difference betwen being physical with WR's and hitting them illegally.

If that's how the Ravens have to win, then they have fallen mightily.

 

[Freakshow]

PENALTY on BLT-S.Rolle, Face Mask (15 Yards)
PENALTY on BLT, Defensive 12 On-field, 5 yards
PENALTY on BLT-T.Suggs, Defensive Offside, 4 yards
PENALTY on BLT-Q.Sypniewski, False Start, 5 yards
PENALTY on BLT-D.Martin, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards

Didn't see this one (blocking out of bounds?) so can't comment.

PENALTY on BLT-C.Ivy, Defensive Holding, 5 yards
PENALTY on BLT-C.McAlister, Defensive Pass Interference, 3 yards

These were pretty clear and they stood out as the Pats were on a short field nearing the endzone.

PENALTY on BLT-D.Wilcox, False Start, 5 yards
PENALTY on BLT-S.Rolle, Illegal Contact, 5 yards

Brady had already scrambled for a 1st down so this wasn't a big call in the grand scheme of things.

PENALTY on BLT-J.Winborne, Defensive Holding, 5 yards

Both Watson and Gaffney were held on this play in plain sight of the officials. No way anyone should be complaining on this one.

PENALTY on BLT-B.Scott, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards
PENALTY on BLT-B.Scott, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards
PENALTY on BLT-E.Reed, Defensive Offside, 5 yards

Selfish, selfish, selfish. The Ravens were a big return from getting back into the game. I'm sure Scott feels like a man now and I guess that will have to get them through the season.

Gaffney's TD Catch

If that play was reversed on review, I would have turned on the whole idea of replay. The call on the field was correct (look at any sideline catch...the player always moves the ball from hands into their body). If they ruled that there was overwhelming evidence that Gaffney didn't have control of the ball, you would have to suspect that the ref was trying to control the outcome of the game. Besides, even if the ball was incomplete, the Pats had 3 downs and only 8 yards to go.

So where is the bias here? The Ravens got called for 13 penalties, only 5 of which required any judgement from the officials. The Pats got called for 6 penalties (4 accepted) and 5 of those required judgement from the officials. The Ravens gameplan was to rough up the Pats receivers, much like the Pats used to do before the "point of emphasis". The do have a point that these calls were made at key times and not consistently throughout the game...but they don't have any case that the penalties didn't happen.

Even if the Gaffney TD was reversed, Scott's 2 Unsportsmanlike penalties would still have been assessed, so the Pats would get 1st and goal on what, the 2??? - not sure how it works but I assume half the distance to the goal twice?

 

[Spirit of '76]

Never, ever, ever, ever, ever blame the refs for a loss. If you played well enough to win, you would've won. Period. If Baltimore stops you guys on forth down and 6 then most of the stuff they're whining about never happens in the first place. Furthermore, I thought the officials did a pretty nice job overall last night.

Playing the Ratbirds twice a season I can tell you that the whining you hearing from them is uncharacteristic of Baltimore, which tells me Billick has lost this team. It's all gonna pile on for the Ratbirds now.

:bricks:

I disagree with your statement. There have been plenty of teams throughout sports history that DID play well enough to win only to have victory 'jerked' from them based on a bad call or non-call.

Your statement is overly simplistic and doesn't sound like it came from someone who has 'left it all out on the field' only to be short-changed by officiating. Unfortunately, it's a human element that we have to deal with.

There is nothing more frustrating in sports as playing well enough to beat your opponent, only to be beaten by the officials.

How does one constructively complain about bad calls without looking like a sore loser????? And we all know the winners will never complain about a bad call that gave them a victory (something Colts fans have grown used to).

If you don't complain, then you are only tolerating poor officiating.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The ball was moving, and it wasn't totally secure, but Gaffney had both sets of fingers on it as he was moving it toward his body. I call that control. He was controlling the ball. But the ball was still moving.

Sure the ball was moving - he was running with it! In terms of moving without control, you're quite right.

 

[mojocaster.com]

The fact remains they played their hearts out and let this one get away all by themselves. They may have a good defense, but zero discipline.

we got bingo

 

[TruthSeeker]

Pat's were outplayed last night but they "Manned Up" when it counted the most.

You're exactly wrong. The Patriots outplayed the Ravens as was evidenced not only by the final score, but by their performance in clutch time (stopping the Ravens on defense and winning the game on offense).

 

[TruthSeeker]

Not only that but #26 could've been called for pass interference against Watson on that same play!

Indeed, it was PI, the ball hadn't even reached the defender who tipped it (just before it was to get to Watson) when Watson got smacked.

 

[Scouse Patriot]

Ravens linebacker Bart Scott on the timeout: "I didn't hear a timeout. That was very convenient."

Haha, watch the replays then kid. You'll see it. Very clearly.

 

[Bargod]

It seems it wasn't just the Ravens complaining. I heard Vrabel went after the refs after the game as well. Did anyone interview about that after the game? If this is a repeat question I apologize. This message board moves at the speed of light.

 

[TIMEsteelersfan]

I disagree with your statement. There have been plenty of teams throughout sports history that DID play well enough to win only to have victory 'jerked' from them based on a bad call or non-call.

Your statement is overly simplistic and doesn't sound like it came from someone who has 'left it all out on the field' only to be short-changed by officiating. Unfortunately, it's a human element that we have to deal with.

There is nothing more frustrating in sports as playing well enough to beat your opponent, only to be beaten by the officials.

How does one constructively complain about bad calls without looking like a sore loser????? And we all know the winners will never complain about a bad call that gave them a victory (something Colts fans have grown used to).

If you don't complain, then you are only tolerating poor officiating.

I don't buy it. Blaming the refs is an excuse, nothing more, nothing less. There's what, 130 - 150 plays in a typical football game? If one or two penalties break you, well, then you didn't play well enough to win. The refs can have an effect the outcome, but they're never the reason you won or lost.

 

[DW Toys]

What about the holding call on Koppen that killed the Patriots' drive? The ref threw the flag late after a Raven asked for it. Amazing.

The real problem with replay and the Gaffney catch is that the language isn't precise enough to define what control means. What they need is another Tuck Rule, language that's so precise that it takes away from the ref trying to make a judgement call.

The ball was moving, and it wasn't totally secure, but Gaffney had both sets of fingers on it as he was moving it toward his body. I call that control. He was controlling the ball. But the ball was still moving.

Cousin,
I agree. He had contact with his finger tips on the ball the whole time. If there was any space whatsoever between the ball and his finger tips the ref would have had to rule a no catch. His tips kept in contact the whole time as he was in the process of moving the location of the ball to under his arm.....but it was not bouncing or moving away from the tips which was key.
Really no different than a side line finger tip catch as long as there is no visible space. He could spin it over his head as long as the contact remained.

In all honesty, all Pats fans would have had arched eyebrows if it was against us as there have been so many in the past. But in retrospect, we would have had first and goal, half the distance anyway with the flags on the field on that play. It might have had no bearing on a final TD if it was inc. With a time out and 44 seconds the Pats could have run once and the Ravens were definitely in pass coverage and got maybe three more plays total.

Brady's main beef was on the pick with less than a minute to go before half time, as Welker was mugged and the tip was intercepted. It should have been on the Ravens 40 yard line first down. The Ravens got way with that one and Faulk saved the day. That was the one the got Brady hot.

No way these muggings happen to the Colts WR without laundry flying. Pollian would have Goodell on the carpet. I say fine, let them play, but you better not throw a flag when we pop Harrison or Wayne.

The Pats (listen Josh!) need to have Moss run some crossing stuff underneath and that two deep safety will have to come up. That "blueprint" stops.
DW Toys

 

[glutton79]

did anyone else hear (and I don't remember exactly when this happened) the announcers saying there was a holding call, and then saying the ravens player had gotten up and told the ref he was held, and a flag was thrown?

oh, so that's how it works. you tell the ref you were held, he throws the flag, done and done.