Peterson at it again: LM this is toughness!

[Joker]

Maroney is the starting running back on a team that is 11-0....somehow I'm missing the point of all this vitriol

 

[VJCPatriot]

after thousands of anti-Maroney posts, it would seem that the next illogical step in the progression of this mania would be to act out. Happens all the time...look at the D.C. shootings a few years ago. Don't kill the messenger.

Your statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Maroney will make a very serviceable #2 RB at a controlled cost.
But it's become pretty obvious unless he shows something soon, that he will never be more than a #2 RB.

When did advocating drafting a new RB to become the Pats #1 RB in 2008 equate a call to homicide? I think you're taking things way too far in your desperate search for excuses for Maroney's disappointing performances to date.

 

[jman924]

Wow. That's all I got to say. Wow.

Don't kill Lomo NSA!

 

[danny88]

Don't kill Lomo NSA!

I am not NSA. Ask any mod to varify.

 

[Deus Irae]

Now that's going too far. I think all Patriots fans would like to see Maroney succeed, because he is still a Patriot after all. But we have the right to be tired of hearing all the excuses.

I'd just like to see Maroney step up for once, to show that he has some kind of mental/physical toughness vs adversity. If he needs to slap on a knee brace, do it. But last time I checked football was a game played by men, not babies.

This entire post is a load of crap. You take every possible opportunity to bag on the kid, and even started this thread as if Maroney had been recovering from the same injury and simply decided to take a couple months of recovery. You also conveniently omit reference to Lynch from Buffalo.

You've allowed yourself to become a joke.

 

[Joker]

I'm not desperately searching for excuses to back Maroney...I could care less...if he's not doing a good enough job, BB will find another back to produce what is needed. It's the incessant clamoring by the "Maroney Maniac Movement" in the midst of an historic season that I find perplexing.

 

[danny88]

This entire post is a load of crap. You take every possible opportunity to bag on the kid, and even started this thread as if Maroney had been recovering from the same injury and simply decided to take a couple months of recovery. You also conveniently omit reference to Lynch from Buffalo.

You've allowed yourself to become a joke.

Why because he does not chug to kool aid with no pause for a breath?

Why is maroney tough?

 

[jman924]

Shmessy locks down a "Maroney Sucks!" thread.
Solution:
Start another!:rocker: :bricks:

 

[Deus Irae]

Why because he does not chug to kool aid with no pause for a breath?

Why is maroney tough?

Do yourself a favor. Go through every team in the NFL and list the #1 running backs. Then, list those #1 running backs who've not missed any games this season. Heck, after that, feel free to do the same with every team's #2 running back.

Get back to me when the light of reality starts to dawn on that head of yours.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Okay, I just screwed myself yesterday or the day before suggesting Meriwether be considered for OLB before checking and realizing that, whatever he was able to do in college, the guy weighs 200 and is having trouble at the safety spot. It was one of my more boneheaded posts of all time, and understand its impact on my credibility. That said:

Brian Westbrook's career stats:

2002
not worth typing; started 3 games.
2003
started 8 out of 15 played;
613 rushing yards, 332 receiving yards, 11 TD total
2004
Started 12, played in 13. 812 rushing, 703 receiving. 9 TD.
2005
Started 12, played 12. 617/616. 7 TD.
2006
Started 14, played 14. 1217/699. 11 TD.
2007 (to date)
Started 11, played 11. 994/604. 11 TD to date.

Maroney, 06:
7 total TDs (time share) 745/194. CF Westbrook, 03 (who had a year prior of spot use to even learn before playing.)

07 (to date)
467/37 2 TDs. Has played in 8 games.

One of the very good running backs in the game, Brian Westbrook -- who was not considered a slouch breaking in -- broke in more slowly than Peterson. Most guys do.

Minnesota got a great back in Peterson, whose "knock" was being injury-prone. That's probably behind him wanting to bounce back so fast so much. I would not guarantee that doesn't have consequences down the road, but yes, right now Peterson looks like an INCREDIBLE find (as advertised in the draft, which isn't necessarily any kind of guarantee.)

Marion Barber, from Maroney's own school and same draft class, drafted lower, also seems to have a better resume to date. But "to date" is just too scanty at this point to draw these negative long-term judgments.

Look at Westbrook's development, and how long it took him to get to the 2006 level, when we started thinking of him as a premiere back.

You can't just point to the best guys at a certain position and say "how come OUR guy isn't THAT guy?!?" Some Philly guys were probably asking why Westbrook wasn't Priest Holmes in 03... I say, who cares?

I agree it's time for LoMo to shake off that sophomore slump, dance less, and charge for the damn stripe when they're on the goal line. There's not always a "better" hole when you juke around for a step or two. Sometimes you have to make the best out of whatever sliver you see... the good backs know they have to do that, and you still get the feeling from LoMo that there's that hesitation.

That said, the style seems to work overall in terms of yards per carry.

But you guys saying he's made of glass, the jury's in and he's guilty of worthlessness, have to be kidding. Patience may or may not be a virtue in his case, but you don't give up on a guy of his caliber (coming into the league) based on one good year and one partial slump year.

I think Bill Belichick is realizing Maroney "is what he is," and whether or not he'll develop Petersonesque toughness, he's not there right now. We need him fresh AFTER week 16 more than before, but we need some production out of him now as well... and that's the line BB is forced to walk with LoMo. I'm sure he'd rather not have to walk that line, but you play the hand you have, and you manage your resources accordingly.

As to whether the resources available can be improved, I don't know that you immediately go that route. A lot will depend on LoMo's last few regular season games,and the playoffs. There's no Morris, and as yet there's no "return of Dillon," though I don't think that's out of the question.

We'll see whether he holds up to do what he's called on to do -- and that's what we need to measure him by, not what we think he should be called on to do (such as carry the likes of Tavaris Jackson through a season.)

PFnV

 

[kolbitr]

What the hell is the point of all of these threads? To crow that picking top-round running backs in any draft is going to be hit-and-miss, and that thus far Maroney has not produced like many had hoped, for reasons which we can only guess at? Do you guys who are complaining remember what the percentage is of first-round failures, let alone disappointments, coming out of the first round every year?

Noone in the front office is going to apologize to you for letting you down, and there are no other options currently for running back. To those of you who had a secret plan for us to alter time and space and draft AP, and those who picketed day and night trying to Pioli and BB to listen to you and draft Addai instead, kudos to you. But what's done is done, unless you are hoping that he get cut to "send a message to the kids" out there. Otherwise, it's is a simple issue, and has reached a really, really dead end for discussion.

 

[VJCPatriot]

First of all you fail to take into account that Duce Staley was the Eagles starting RB in that early time period when Westbrook didn't see much action.
Staley had a 1,000 yard season in 2002 which explains Westbrook's mia rookie year. He wasn't needed. In 2003 Westbrook shared rushing duties with Staley before gradually taking over.

Westbrook was one of those lucky find guys. A guy teams passed over many times before he was taken in the 6th round. Reminds me of a guy named Brady. Those gem in the rough draft selections are pretty rare and carry no high expectations.

Laurence Maroney on the other hand was a 1st round pick. He carries the expectations of a 1st round pick, which is to produce fairly quickly. RB is one of the easiest positions for a rookie to come in and produce right way. You take the handoff, then you follow your blockers and carry the football through the hole. Make cuts as your "vision" dictates.

Well I think some people are mistaken about the point of this thread. Maroney's lack of productivity has already been well documented.
The point here is to question Maroney's toughness, or lack thereof. We've heard the injury card brought up again and again as an excuse.

Now look at a guy like Peterson, another 1st round RB btw, came back just 2 weeks from his injury and put up numbers like 116 yards and 2 TDs.
What is wrong with asking Maroney to show a little toughness like that?

Okay, I just screwed myself yesterday or the day before suggesting Meriwether be considered for OLB before checking and realizing that, whatever he was able to do in college, the guy weighs 200 and is having trouble at the safety spot. It was one of my more boneheaded posts of all time, and understand its impact on my credibility. That said:

Brian Westbrook's career stats:

2002
not worth typing; started 3 games.
2003
started 8 out of 15 played;
613 rushing yards, 332 receiving yards, 11 TD total
2004
Started 12, played in 13. 812 rushing, 703 receiving. 9 TD.
2005
Started 12, played 12. 617/616. 7 TD.
2006
Started 14, played 14. 1217/699. 11 TD.
2007 (to date)
Started 11, played 11. 994/604. 11 TD to date.

I think Bill Belichick is realizing Maroney "is what he is," and whether or not he'll develop Petersonesque toughness, he's not there right now. We need him fresh AFTER week 16 more than before, but we need some production out of him now as well... and that's the line BB is forced to walk with LoMo. I'm sure he'd rather not have to walk that line, but you play the hand you have, and you manage your resources accordingly.

PFnV

 

[BHSL2]

VJC Patriot, Westbrook was a third round pick.

 

[VJCPatriot]

VJC Patriot, Westbrook was a third round pick.

Thanks for the correction. I had the impression he was a late round pick.
The point is there is still a difference of expectations between a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Hence the "cf Westbrook 03" note to compare to Maroney's 06. The point isn't he's doing just great, the point is you don't evaluate the wisdom of the pick a year and a half in. In fact, picking up Morris and using him as they did was as good as a declaration that Maroney was not expected to do it alone as Corey did in 04... and maybe, just maybe, the coaching staff does not believe one guy totes the rock the whole year without real credible help. We've always used Faulk on 3rd downs and in relief of other backs... that is somewhat different from, say, last year's Kansas City model. Not to detract from the most recent Adrian Peterson binky, but do you want Larry Johnson from 2006? If not, why not? Oh that's right, Larry Johnson from 2007.

You might never see a breakout game from this guy, or you might see whatever BB and staff haven't yet lost faith in seeing. VCJ, I don't know if you're one of those in the "made of glass" camp, but I'll basically give up on LM when BB gives up on LM. I would not be surprised to see him have a big playoff impact. Then again I share the "dancing" concerns especially at the goal line. That might be enough to eventually damn him.

I just don't think we can make that call yet - we can pretend to, because it's a 50/50 shot - but someone on the coaching staff sees something they still like. (Or "loves," in the case of BB -- at least for press purposes.)

PFnV

 

[ALP]

OK, lets make a deal here and now...

we will leave maroney alone, until one of two things happen

A. we lose a game

B. we win the SB....

so until we lose or the season is over, dont bash maroney, not until he fails us when he need him most


however, i do agree, Peterson is a beast

 

[Deus Irae]

Patriots - Maroney has missed games, as has Morris

Packers - Starter out, Grant in

Colts - Addai missed time, too.... SHOCK!

Giants - Jacobs, Ward both missing time

Seahawks - Alexander missed time

Buccaneers - Williams and Pittman both injured and out

Browns - Lewis missed a game

Titans - Brown missed time

Bills - Lynch is made of glass

Lions - Jones... glass redux

Vikings - Taylor AND Peterson have missed time

Bears - Stick a fork in Benson

Broncos - Can ANY of their running backs stay healthy? Henry sure can't

Texans - One day, Green will play again. Maybe.

Saints - The Deuce is NOT loose

Eagles - Westbrook and Buckhalter have each missed a game

Redskins - Portis is made of what, fine crystal?

Bengals - Rudi ≠ 'toughness', apparently

Chiefs - L.J = I.R., Priest... done

Raiders - Mr. Jordan lost games to injury, and now his job to Huggie Bear, Jr.

Dolphins - Brown and Williams, sitting in the I.R. tree together

Rams - Jackson really needs to sack up, I guess

49ers - As is befitting of his college and pro career, has missed time


Healthy teams:

Steelers - Parker's made it, Davenport didn't play vs. Cinci

Jaguars - Both RB's have been healthy, although Taylor often misses games

Chargers - LdT and Turner have remained healthy

Cardinals - James hasn't missed out on the fun yet

Ravens - So far, so good for McGahee

Panthers - although he's had an injury plagued career, so far so good for Foster

Jets - Jones and Washington, 12 for 12 to date

Falcons - Dunn, the starter, hasn't missed a game. Norwood, his platoon-mate, has

Cowboys - Jones and Barber have remained healthy (oddly enough, Jones missed 11 games in his first two seasons and has not missed a game since, and Jones missed 10 games in his first two seasons)


So, it's now 23 out of 32 teams that have seen their #1 running backs miss games this season, and the Falcons and Steelers have seen their backup miss time. With all that broken glass on the fields, it's amazing more players aren't complaining of splinters. What a bunch of sissies, huh?

 

[Keegs]

Adrian Peterson apparently is the toughest thing since sliced bread.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Patriots - Maroney has missed games, as has Morris

Cowboys - Jones and Barber have remained healthy (oddly enough, Jones missed 11 games in his first two seasons and has not missed a game since, and Jones missed 10 games in his first two seasons)

Packers - Starter out, Grant in

Colts - Addai missed time, too.... SHOCK!

Giants - Jacobs, Ward both missing time

Seahawks - Alexander missed time

Buccaneers - Williams and Pittman both injured and out

Browns - Lewis missed a game

Titans - Brown missed time

Bills - Lynch is made of glass

Lions - Jones... glass redux

Vikings - Taylor AND Peterson have missed time

Bears - Stick a fork in Benson

Broncos - Can ANY of their running backs stay healthy? Henry sure can't

Texans - One day, Green will play again. Maybe.

Saints - The Deuce is NOT loose

Eagles - Westbrook and Buckhalter have each missed a game

Redskins - Portis is made of what, fine crystal?

Bengals - Rudi ≠ 'toughness', apparently

Chiefs - L.J = I.R., Priest... done

Raiders - Mr. Jordan lost games to injury, and now his job to Huggie Bear, Jr.

Dolphins - Brown and Williams, sitting in the I.R. tree together

Rams - Jackson really needs to sack up, I guess

49ers - As is befitting of his college and pro career, has missed time


Healthy teams:

Steelers - Parker

Jaguars - Both RB's have been healthy, although Taylor often misses games

Chargers - LdT and Turner have remained healthy

Cardinals - James hasn't missed out on the fun yet

Ravens - So far, so good for McGahee

Panthers - although he's had an injury plagued career, so far so good for Foster

Jets - Jones and Washington, 12 for 12 to date

Falcons - Dunn, the starter, hasn't missed a game. Norwood, his platoon-mate, has


So, it's now 24 out of 32 teams that have seen their #1 running backs miss games this season, and the Falcons have seen their backup miss time. With all that broken glass on the fields, it's amazing more players aren't complaining of splinters. What a bunch of sissies, huh?

How many #1 backs don't get on the field in the 1st half of games and stand on the sidelines, while people claim he is on the sideline because of the "gameplan" or because the coaches are being "cautious" because of surgery months ago?

 

[oldskool138]

How many #1 backs don't get on the field in the 1st half of games and stand on the sidelines, while people claim he is on the sideline because of the "gameplan" or because the coaches are being "cautious" because of surgery months ago?

Bingo!

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