To clinch the #2 overall pick

[National Sports Advisors]

Daniel Graham wasn't a good Patriot???

tell Denver that

Wow, this is incredible. Where the hell did I say he wasn't a good Patriot??????? Sure he was. However, that doesn't mean he was worth being the #18 player taken in the entire draft. Graham was never a pro bowl caliber TE. He is a solid player, nothing more and nothing less. Kyle Brady is a solid TE but was he worth a top 10 pick that the Jets used on him years ago??? Of course not! Sam Bowie was a nice NBA player. Was he worth the #2 pick in the NBA draft ahead of Michael Jordan? Wow, please learn to read before you talk.

 

[drew4008]

Raiders about to win... that helps the pick.

 

[Maroney TD]

That's ok. I'd rather spend big money on a STUD than have Pioli draft more Maroney's and Jackson's of the world with late 1sts and early 2nd's.

A thread where NSA rips on Maroney. Shocking really, I mean the thread has nothing to do with him but the first thing out of NSA's mouth is to rip on Maroney. Thanks for your input because no one has any idea how you feel on the topic.

 

[ClevTrev]

Buddy, once again you completely exagerrate my post and fail to read my other posts on this topic. My beef with Pioli is the fact that he has butchered the last two drafts. Again, should I just give him a pass??? Should the Broncos fans give Mike Shanahan a lifetime get out of jail free card because he won 2 super bowls? I mean, good lord, give me a break. Pioli is without a doubt a great GM. Hovever, he is in a major slump with his draft picks the last 2 years. I don't want to hear this crap that none of the players after round 2 could have made this team the last 2 years because I can assure you that there would be players just as good, if not better, than the Kyle Eckel's, Rashad Baker's, Eddie Jackson's, and Chad Brown's of the world that are currently on our 53 man roster. If you think Maroney was worth the #21 pick in the draft and Jackson was worth the #36 pick than you are kidding yourself.

Funny that every thread you post on you end up having to post something like the quote above. I wonder why? Guess it's tough when you're the only one right and everyone else is wrong. Guess it's also tough that no one reads your posts correctly. Wonder why that is? This really reads like troll postings.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

There is also a sticky thread about Patriots records. Do you want to banish all of the threads discussing records as well?

The sticky discusses the rules for determining draft order. It shouldn't preclude a timely discussion of what it takes for us to clinch #2.

That's exactly what it was stickied to preclude in the form of additional threads, not that this thread as it is devolving even covers that...

 

[BradyToMoss]

Let's be honest when you evaluate last year's draft: In essence this is what it was:

Pats 2007 Draft Results

#1 Brandon Meriweather (The jury is out, but we need to wait 2 full years)

#1 Dealt to SF for this year's #1 pick (As of right now #2 OVERALL)

#2 Wes Welker

#3 (Traded to the Raiders for their 3rd round pick in 2008), as of right now, that will be a gain of roughly 25 spots in round 3 compared to where the Patriots would have picked)

#4 Randy Moss

#4 Kareem Brown (Cut now with the Jets)

#5 Clint Oldenburg (He was a 5th round pick - gone, but what do you expect)

#6 Justin Rogers (Cut and picked up by Dallas)

#6 Mike Richardson (Lost on IR, looked REALLY GOOD in the pre-season and has a future on this team next year)

#6 Justin Hairston (Cut)

#6 Corey Hilliard (Cut)

#7 Oscar Lua (Looked half decent in pre-season, will make the team next
year and will be a top backup as ILB)

#7 Mike Elgin (Cut)

So in all honesty, this is what we actually got from the 2007 NFL draft:

Brandon Meriweather,
(SF #2-#5 overall pick in 2008 which could easily bring in a Darren McFadden, Chris Long or Jake Long),
(Raiders 3rd round pick in 2008 - which will be at the very top of round 3),
Wes Welker,
Randy Moss,
Mike Richardson (End up as a top nickel back on this team and give them good depth),
Oscar Lua (ditto).

All in all, thank you Scott Pioli, you did us well in 2007.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It's like the Patsfans.com version du jour of Godwin's law--any thread, if allowed to proceed sufficiently far, will eventually result in board members dissing current players on the team.

[Football Outsiders apparently has a similar Godwinesque problem--every thread there seems to devolve into a Brady v. Manning thread. ]

 

[patsox23]

How on Earth is anybody BRAINDEAD F-ing STUPID enough to think that you can judge a draft within TWO years? Are you ten years old????

 

[National Sports Advisors]

How on Earth is anybody BRAINDEAD F-ing STUPID enough to think that you can judge a draft within TWO years? Are you ten years old????

Huh? I thought the whole idea of drafting players and putting them on your 53 man roster is to get PRODUCTION from them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing Pioli and Belichick weren't expecting Maroney to be a JAG and Chad Jackson to have NO RECEPTIONS by week #12 of 2007. You think teams draft 1st and 2nd rd picks to get little to NO PRODUCTION from them by week #12 of year 2 of their 5 year rookie contracts? Do you think we drafted Meriweather with the expectation that he would be sitting behind Rashad Baker and Eddie Jackson on the depth chart by week #12 of the season? Seriously, let's call it like it is. Upto this point, day, and time, the last 2 drafts have been DISSAPOINTING.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

How on Earth is anybody BRAINDEAD F-ing STUPID enough to think that you can judge a draft within TWO years? Are you ten years old????

Absolutely. To put this is a totally non-Patriots related perspective, compare Mario Williams and Reggie Bush. Last year, people were ripping the Texans but this year with Williams having 8.5 sacks and Bush not living up to expectations, you don't hear it as much....Let's wait 3-4 years before judging a draft.........

 

[cartmen]

this one thing everyone here is forgetting when they bash Pioli and BB is that these picks were considered "Steals" by the Pats. These guys were expected to pan out and be good players. Now wether or not that will still happen remains to be seen but hindsight is 20/20 and you can't judge someone badly when at the time of the pick you praised them. there isn't one person here who didn't light up when they chose any of those guys (1st and 2nd rounders) in the last 2 years

 

[National Sports Advisors]

this one thing everyone here is forgetting when they bash Pioli and BB is that these picks were considered "Steals" by the Pats. These guys were expected to pan out and be good players. Now wether or not that will still happen remains to be seen but hindsight is 20/20 and you can't judge someone badly when at the time of the pick you praised them. there isn't one person here who didn't light up when they chose any of those guys (1st and 2nd rounders) in the last 2 years

Who called them "steals"? The Mel Kiper Jr's of the world? Pioli's job is not to earn "A" grades the day after the draft from the Mel Kiper Jr's of the world. His job is to find players that come in and give us quality production. 1st rd running backs are suppossed to play like "special" players in year #2 of their careers and not like some run-of-the-mill 3rd or 4th rd pick.

 

[Ghost of Ben Dreith]

Huh? I thought the whole idea of drafting players and putting them on your 53 man roster is to get PRODUCTION from them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing Pioli and Belichick weren't expecting Maroney to be a JAG and Chad Jackson to have NO RECEPTIONS by week #12 of 2007. You think teams draft 1st and 2nd rd picks to get little to NO PRODUCTION from them by week #12 of year 2 of their 5 year rookie contracts? Do you think we drafted Meriweather with the expectation that he would be sitting behind Rashad Baker and Eddie Jackson on the depth chart by week #12 of the season? Seriously, let's call it like it is. Upto this point, day, and time, the last 2 drafts have been DISSAPOINTING.

I'm in full agreement on lousy drafts the last couple of years.

The idea of drafting a #1 or #2 just to sit on them for a couple of years is ludicrous at best. If they have the talent they thought they had when they drafted them, they play.....e.g. Mankins.....If people think they expected Merriweather and Jackson to perform like they have and are happy with it, then those people are sadly mistaken IMO.....

As far as Graham.....nobody said he wasn't a good Patriot....except for Joker , but it was correctly stated that he wasn't worth the number 18 pick in the draft. Definitely not a bust at all, just a bit of a reach. I really have no problem with that pick though.

While it was great to get Welker for a #2 (I thought we overpaid and was obviously wrong) and Moss for a #4 (nothing to be said here)....If we don't start getting value at other picks, I do think we will start paying a price on depth. On the other side of the coin, the Pats do get some players that nobody really was high on (Gay, Sanders) and coach them up to decent players. But decent players won't carry you forever. At some pointm, they will pay a price.

Brady covers a lot of errors....just look to last year for proof of that.

 

[JR4]

thread hijacking in progress ...

 

[Ring 6]

Who called them "steals"? The Mel Kiper Jr's of the world? Pioli's job is not to earn "A" grades the day after the draft from the Mel Kiper Jr's of the world. His job is to find players that come in and give us quality production. 1st rd running backs are suppossed to play like "special" players in year #2 of their careers and not like some run-of-the-mill 3rd or 4th rd pick.

His job is to build a team that wins.
Umm, how's he doing?

 

[National Sports Advisors]

His job is to build a team that wins.
Umm, how's he doing?

This year's team is obviously doing well. However, unless you keep replenishing your roster with quality players from the draft year after year, the well will inevitably start to dry up. Why is it that people like myself cannot bring up these legitemate concerns and questions without the standard "But we're 11-0, 11-0, 11-0!!!" line being tossed out to ignore those areas of concern? If you think we are going to maintain this level of success with more draft classes like the last 2 years, than you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Trot]

Why is it that people like myself cannot bring up these legitemate concerns and questions without the standard "But we're 11-0, 11-0, 11-0!!!" line being tossed out to ignore those areas of concern?

a) because you're a troll

b) because you're a maroon

c) because you make no sense

d) see above

 

[Deus Irae]

This year's team is obviously doing well. However, unless you keep replenishing your roster with quality players from the draft year after year, the well will inevitably start to dry up. Why is it that people like myself cannot bring up these legitemate concerns and questions without the standard "But we're 11-0, 11-0, 11-0!!!" line being tossed out to ignore those areas of concern? If you think we are going to maintain this level of success with more draft classes like the last 2 years, than you are sadly mistaken.

When Belichick and Pioli consult with you for help, let us all know.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

When Belichick and Pioli consult with you for help, let us all know.

I know, I know, because BB and Pioli NEVER make mistakes. I wonder if Denver fans are still giving Mike Shanahan a FREE RIDE because he won two super bowls for them.

 

[makewayhomer]

This year's team is obviously doing well. However, unless you keep replenishing your roster with quality players from the draft year after year, the well will inevitably start to dry up. Why is it that people like myself cannot bring up these legitemate concerns and questions without the standard "But we're 11-0, 11-0, 11-0!!!" line being tossed out to ignore those areas of concern? If you think we are going to maintain this level of success with more draft classes like the last 2 years, than you are sadly mistaken.

it is of course valid to bring up concerns, which lots of people here won't want to hear b/c it interrupts their pom pom waving.

just b/c we're 11-0 doesn't mean that every decision made is 100% correct.

but on balance, the decisions made by Piolichek have been better than everybody else over the last 6 or 7 years. that DOESN'T mean they are the best every single year, but it is sustained greatness that really matters.