What do you guys think of Big Ben

[SteelerSteve]

Have you noticed that lately that he's actually going down more often? Either the coverage has been getting better or they're approaching tackling him differently. I know they're trying to keep him in the pocket.

Yeah, maybe hes just getting worn out from running away from all of the guys the line lets through. I dunno but our o-line is pretty ridiculous.

 

[TommyD4207]

I think he's good, not great, and certainly not "elite".
He's overrated for the hype he gets (considering Willie Parker is the most criminally underrated player in the league), but he's not a total fraud.

He's very athletic, and contrary to popular opinion (except by resident Steelers Fans who know) is a very mobile QB. Strong arm, and pretty good at play action.

His decision making, when the Steelers are forced to become one-dimensional, quite simply, sucks. I would think that would have improved by now.

Short answer, probably a top 10 QB, but not top 5.

 

[thewarden86]

I think he's good, not great, and certainly not "elite".
He's overrated for the hype he gets (considering Willie Parker is the most criminally underrated player in the league), but he's not a total fraud.

He's very athletic, and contrary to popular opinion (except by resident Steelers Fans who know) is a very mobile QB. Strong arm, and pretty good at play action.

His decision making, when the Steelers are forced to become one-dimensional, quite simply, sucks. I would think that would have improved by now.

Short answer, probably a top 10 QB, but not top 5.

Brady and Manning occupy #'s 1 & 2. What remaining 3 QB's in your opinion rank above him?

 

[SteelerSteve]

I think he's good, not great, and certainly not "elite".
He's overrated for the hype he gets (considering Willie Parker is the most criminally underrated player in the league), but he's not a total fraud.

He's very athletic, and contrary to popular opinion (except by resident Steelers Fans who know) is a very mobile QB. Strong arm, and pretty good at play action.

His decision making, when the Steelers are forced to become one-dimensional, quite simply, sucks. I would think that would have improved by now.

Short answer, probably a top 10 QB, but not top 5.

I actually think that his decision making has improved substantially, my biggest problem with him is that he tries too hard to make a big play when there is nothing there. I can attest to this by looking at his int's only 9 for the season, so obviously his decision making hasn't been terrible.

 

[patriotspride]

Welcome back, did you and Aqua get bounced together? Is he back too?

thanks .no i dont know what aqua did.

 

[everlong]

thanks .no i dont know what aqua did.

Ah. Oh well there goes my theory that you guys had a flame war for the ages and got booted for a couple of days to cool off.

 

[SteelerSteve]

Brady and Manning occupy #'s 1 & 2. What remaining 3 QB's in your opinion rank above him?

Thats something I would like to know. I guess Palmer and Favre could still be rated higher but out of all of the guys that were rated higher in the preseason I think he has surpassed almost all of them. Could anyone really say that they would rather have Drew Brees or John Kitna over Ben? because I sure couln't. Hasselbeck could be a solid candidate, but Hasselbeck isn't an elite QB imo, he is a solid productive quarterback who fits in well with his team. Tony Romo? I dont think so, he hasn't proven himself enough yet, besides do any of those guys have superbowl rings? nope, has Palmer,Kitna,Brees, or Hasselbeck singlehandedly led their team to the superbowl? Hasselbeck got there, but that was probably thanks to the MVP year from Shaun Alexander. My top ten qb list would have to look something like this:

1.)Brady-everyone knows why
2.)Manning-One of the smartest QB's to ever play the game
3.)Palmer-He's having a down year, but as long as thats all it is, he is an awesome passer.
4.)Roethlisberger-He has all of the tools, he just has a little bit of maturing to do.
5.)Favre-He is still getting it done at 38, besides hes Brett Favre
6.)Hasselbeck-He has been a solid franchise QB for the hawks for along time.
7.)Romo-He's looked good so far, lets see if it continues
8.)Mcnabb-When 100% he is one of the best, problem is, when is he 100%
9.)Derek Anderson-he's been a surprise and the browns are a winning team. who would have known?
10.)Bulger-A fine passer, hes just too unreliable.

 

[patriotspride]

Ah. Oh well there goes my theory that you guys had a flame war for the ages and got booted for a couple of days to cool off.

flame war with aqua?that would be to easy lol.

 

[TommyD4207]

Brady and Manning occupy #'s 1 & 2. What remaining 3 QB's in your opinion rank above him?

Brady
Manning
Romo
Palmer
Favre
--
Anderson
Kitna
Roethlisberger

--Note: Favre and Anderson wouldn't have been on this list last year, then again, neither would Roethlisberger.

And as far as the "Romo is/could be a flash in the pan" arguement, I'll buy it, however, Romo's 1st 16 games are clearly superior to Roethlisberger's first 16.

 

[TommyD4207]

I actually think that his decision making has improved substantially, my biggest problem with him is that he tries too hard to make a big play when there is nothing there. I can attest to this by looking at his int's only 9 for the season, so obviously his decision making hasn't been terrible.

Then again, it's in only 288 attempts, with is good for 16th in the league.
I understand Willie Parker is amazing, but 25 attempts a game isn't many.

I should hope he wouldn't throw that many INTs. The 106 rating is very good.

 

[SteelerSteve]

Brady
Manning
Romo
Palmer
Favre
--
Anderson
Kitna
Roethlisberger

--Note: Favre and Anderson wouldn't have been on this list last year, then again, neither would Roethlisberger.

And as far as the "Romo is/could be a flash in the pan" arguement, I'll buy it, however, Romo's 1st 16 games are clearly superior to Roethlisberger's first 16.

Well, when it all comes down to it though, Ben started out 13-0, thats pretty damn impressive, and that was his rookie year. Romo had a few seasons to digest the offense, Ben has been learning on the fly. The thing that makes Big Ben better than romo though is the fact that he did indeed carry his team through the playoffs and showed what kind of qb he can be.

I still dont get why some people rank Kitna so high. He is in a passing offense which explains all of his passing yards, but my guess is that he is a good fantasy qb, but last season he threw for 22 int's(second to Ben). As for Anderson, well he has been having a good year no doubt, but he also has a great supporting cast at WR, and he is one of those guys that hasn't really proven himself either.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Rthlsbrgr seems much improved this year. I'd thought little of him originally and he delivered to my low expectations when he totally fell apart in the SuperBowl (see 22 QB rating). How the SeaHags managed to lose that one is another long topic. However, he seems to have worked on his game. He's always had a decent supporting cast. His ability to take hits and STILL get the pass off or escape a hit is unequaled today. He also rolls out and throws accurately on the run. I'd question his decision making under pressure, pressure being against a very good D when the stakes are high, in the playoffs or in a big game. We'll get to see, won't we?

 

[Boston Jay]

He did pretty much fall apart in the SB, but he did save the Steelers season with the shoestring tackle after Bettis fumbled in Indy so he gets a pass. One play I loved from the 2nd year "Rthlsbrgr" was the one where he was scrambling for his life (sounds familiar?) and had the presence of mind to stop running just short of the LOS and hit Hines Ward for a long completion during the SB.

He makes my top 5 list at the minimum. Needs to improve decision making somewhat. Very good QB, not yet elite.

 

[SteelerSteve]

I'd question his decision making under pressure, pressure being against a very good D when the stakes are high, in the playoffs or in a big game. We'll get to see, won't we?

If you watched the Playoffs his second year he led his team from behind to comebacke and beat cincy(I know they arent known for there defense.) He had big games against the Colts and the Broncos, two pretty good defenses that year, the thing is though that nobody gave them a shot to beat the "mighty" colts that season, and though the refs tried to gift wrap that game for the colts, Roethlisberger literally made the game saving tackle. I dont know about you, but that sounds like performing under pressure to me.

 

[SteelerSteve]

He did pretty much fall apart in the SB, but he did save the Steelers season with the shoestring tackle after Bettis fumbled in Indy so he gets a pass. One play I loved from the 2nd year "Rthlsbrgr" was the one where he was scrambling for his life (sounds familiar?) and had the presence of mind to stop running just short of the LOS and hit Hines Ward for a long completion during the SB.

He makes my top 5 list at the minimum. Needs to improve decision making somewhat. Very good QB, not yet elite.

Those are pretty much my thoughts. Do you think he makes the Pro bowl this year?

 

[Boston Jay]

Ohh... that's tough. At this point, if things went the way I wanted I would have Brady, Roethlisberger, Anderson as the AFC QBs. With Palmer and Manning as the alternates. The third spot is tricky.

Besides Brady and Garrard, Ben has the lowest amount of INTs (among the good QBs anyway), the second most TDs behind Brady, and is right up there in yardage at number 5 in the AFC. Completion percentage is great at around 67. Brady, Palmer, Manning, and Anderson have more yards passing... don't be surprised if the arms of Palmer or Anderson fall off with the absence of their respective Ds.

I think yes, if he keeps it up for the next five games (hopefully not against NE though ).

 

[TommyD4207]

Those are pretty much my thoughts. Do you think he makes the Pro bowl this year?

Nope. He's got some writers dangling from his jock, but not as many as Derek Anderson, Media Darling.

I personally think Anderson is having a better season, and probably deserves the Pro Bowl over Roethlisberger.

If Palmer gets in, it's really a bs Pro Bowl selection.

I know you're really high on Roethlisberger's W/L record, and while I think it has more relevance than most, I don't think it really means as much as you think. Charlie Batch has a pretty good record since Roethlisberger has been there, yes?

I would think you're not giving enough credit to the Front 7, the offensive line, and Willie Parker, honestly. Roethlisberger is not asked to win games, just not to lose them, and when the pass attempts are lower (25 and less) his record is stellar. I'd really be curious (and I have no idea where to get this stat) what his record is when he's forced to throw 35-40 times or more.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If you watched the Playoffs his second year he led his team from behind to comebacke and beat cincy(I know they arent known for there defense.) He had big games against the Colts and the Broncos, two pretty good defenses that year, the thing is though that nobody gave them a shot to beat the "mighty" colts that season, and though the refs tried to gift wrap that game for the colts, Roethlisberger literally made the game saving tackle. I dont know about you, but that sounds like performing under pressure to me.

I must say I LOVED that game saving tackle Rthlsbrgr made against the hated Colts. I was in FL and we were listening to the game on the radio. Bad call on TP's play. Then Bettis fumbled and WHOA! The missed FG by the prior idiot kicker was yet another high point of that game. I hope that Rthlsbrgr & Co send the SB officials cards every Christmas.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Big Ben is the 3rd best QB in football IMO.

His physical tools are all there, no need to discuss that, but his intangibles set him apart from most. His ability to push the pocket and escape are impeccable while he can throw from all platforms. His accuracy is also top notch; he completed 18 of 21 in the mud bowl. I love Big Ben, great player!

 

[patriotspride]

Big Ben is the 3rd best QB in football IMO.

His physical tools are all there, no need to discuss that, but his intangibles set him apart from most. His ability to push the pocket and escape are impeccable while he can throw from all platforms. His accuracy is also top notch; he completed 18 of 21 in the mud bowl. I love Big Ben, great player!

like you know anything about QBs lmao .