What's with Seymour?

[Bostonian1962]

I know Seymour has missed alot of time getting ready for the season, so please don't jump all over me for bringing this up, but when is he going to start playing like a Pro Bowl player? Heck, when is he going to play like a decent player?

How many tackles, assists, QB hurries, caused fumbles, deflected passes, sacks did this monster of a player have against the Eagles?

Answer: 1 tackle, 1 QB hurry, and ZERO in every other category. By the way, he had all ZERO's against Buffalo. Nothing. No stats. He played, didn't he?

Since he signed the big contract, he hasn't done squat. Look at Wilfolk and Warren getting double teamed more than Seymour. The days of Seymour's lack of stats being a result of double teaming are over. Last year, the excuse was he was hurt. This year it'll be all the time he missed. Maybe we should be looking at the player himself?

Let's hear your thoughts. Please refrain from slamming me, and just address Seymour. I'm very sensitive, and it's the holiday season.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

I agree. Seymour, in my opinion, is the most OVERRATED NFL player. Sorry, but the guy is a glorified run stopper getting paid to be Reggie White. I know I will have the homers bashing me again for saying this about him, but that is just the truth, It's funny how everyone calls Freeney overrated, but Seymour gets a free ride for his play. The guy is OVERRATED big time.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

And, while we're on the topic, why the hell do we have to lose Asante Samuel and keep paying Seymour's overrated arse? Why can't we cut Seymour, pay Asante, and use our top 5 pick to draft a DE or DT? Jarvis Green is more than capable of filling in for Seymour as the starting DE. Does anyone honestly believe we need Seymour more than Asante? It's absurd.

 

[Clonamery]

And, while we're on the topic, why the hell do we have to lose Asante Samuel and keep paying Seymour's overrated arse? Why can't we cut Seymour, pay Asante, and use our top 5 pick to draft a DE or DT? Jarvis Green is more than capable of filling in for Seymour as the starting DE. Does anyone honestly believe we need Seymour more than Asante? It's absurd.

Whew....I thought there wouldn't be any intelligent responses to this fair-minded thread.

 

[patsgo]

ive been saying foir some time green is a better player

 

[Drewwho]

Seymour is huge and not in a good way. He got fat and is out of shape.

 

[holyredeemer]

Whew....I thought there wouldn't be any intelligent responses to this fair-minded thread.

I really dont see anything wrong with his response. I think the problem with Seymour is a combination of alot of things. Now, before I start jumping to any conclusions on what needs to be done with him, I reserve the chance to watch the rest of the season play out. Hopefully, his play will pick up as the season progresses and in the playoffs he'll return to his former self. If he doesnt pick it up, then we have some choices to make.

I also have to state that for whatever reason, I dont think there is any way Asante is going to re-sign with this team. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[ClevTrev]

Seymour is huge and not in a good way. He got fat and is out of shape.

And chews his food with his mouth open. He's a disgrace in every sense. You'd think that a 3-time Super Bowl winner would feel that he was obligated to pull his weight. What a slug . . . The rest of the D-Line has been carrying this guy since 2001, and it's time it came to an end!

To all those wannabe head coaches on this thread, I say Keep Troy, cut Seymour. Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[National Sports Advisors]

And chews his food with his mouth open. He's a disgrace in every sense. You'd think that a 3-time Super Bowl winner would feel that he was obligated to pull his weight. What a slug . . . The rest of the D-Line has been carrying this guy since 2001, and it's time it came to an end!

To all those wannabe head coaches on this thread, I say Keep Troy, cut Seymour. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Wow. Once again, somebody brings up a valid point and gets called a wannabe coach. Were we wrong when we questioned why the hell we brought in Monty Beisel and Chad Brown? Were we wrong when we thought Bethel Johnson was a BUST? Were we wrong when we thought Duane Starks was an awful acquisition? I know this may shock the grey hoodie wearers out there, but the great Bill Belichick does make mistakes and some players on this team do underperform and are OVERRATED. Seymour gets paid to be a DOMINANT defensive linemen. He does not get paid to be a non-factor. Jarvis Green can give us what Seymour gives us at a fraction of the cost. Cut Seymour and keep Asante. That's my new rallying cry!

 

[Bostonian1962]

And chews his food with his mouth open. He's a disgrace in every sense. You'd think that a 3-time Super Bowl winner would feel that he was obligated to pull his weight. What a slug . . . The rest of the D-Line has been carrying this guy since 2001, and it's time it came to an end!

To all those wannabe head coaches on this thread, I say Keep Troy, cut Seymour. Yeah, that's the ticket!

From 2001 on, he's missed all or part of 21 games, so at least in those games somebody had to carry him. He wasn't carrying himself.

 

[Slagathor]

When Seymour was in his first few seasons with us, he seemed to play with alot more fire and enthusiasm.

I don't see it anymore.

IMO....he's one of these guys that allowed the money and success to kill his competitive enthusiasm.

I don't see him overweight or out of shape. He just doesn't have the fire in the belly anymore.

 

[aluminum seats]

The point about Seymour missing a decent amount of playing time is a fair one--I think injuries tend to be cyclical, so I would expect him to be pretty healthy going forward, but there are no guarantees.

Pointing to his stats, however, is foolish. Seymour's game has never been predicated on generating huge numbers--it's just not the way the Pats D has been structured.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Seymour is not playing well period. I do not know if it is injury related or not. He is being handled quite easily and sometimes by only 1 guy.

This may be a case where he continues functioning as a one legged warrior for the rest of the season.

I still do not think Green can hold up vs. the run and pass for an entire season. Same with Wright. The jury remains out on K Brown.

 

[Bostonian1962]

When Seymour was in his first few seasons with us, he seemed to play with alot more fire and enthusiasm.

I don't see it anymore.

IMO....he's one of these guys that allowed the money and success to kill his competitive enthusiasm.

I don't see him overweight or out of shape. He just doesn't have the fire in the belly anymore.

Slagathor, I hope you're not correct about this, but am afraid that you might be. We've all seen him when he's a freak out there. It just seems so long ago.

 

[Bostonian1962]

The point about Seymour missing a decent amount of playing time is a fair one--I think injuries tend to be cyclical, so I would expect him to be pretty healthy going forward, but there are no guarantees.

Pointing to his stats, however, is foolish. Seymour's game has never been predicated on generating huge numbers--it's just not the way the Pats D has been structured.

I knew somebody would bring up the stat thing, and I agree with you. Surely though, if a player has 1 total tackle in the last two games, it "could" mean he's not producing. Now, if you match that up with the game film (or in my case TIVO), it confirms that fact. He didn't produce last year either.

I assume this post of mine will light a fire under him, and you'll all thank me later, as will he, with a heftly check made out to me.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

With no camp and no pre season he is limited to working himself back into game shape, which is very different than mere football shape. That said, my concern about Seymour is value based and tied to his durability or lack thereof going forward. I think that is why he is on a 3 year extension as opposed to the 6-7 year Freeney-esque mega deal many presumed he would get.

On Sunday night Madden noted his ineffectiveness (as part of the reason our pass rush was not proving terribly effective) and attributed it to the knee still bothering him. He did not say if that was just something he was surmising or if he had heard that to be the case. Seymour has been prone to injury over roughly half of his 7 season to date career, he's appeared to be a slow healer as well and a player who has to be 100% in order to play effectively.

It's no knock on his talent. Just that unless you can get on the field and stay on the field and play to your potential on that field talent is immaterial. And on this defense as presently constructed front 7 and the play of the DL in particular is critical because we do not have an all pro secondary, just a very good one that can manage well behind an exceptional front 7 that stuffs the run and gets consistently good pressure on the QB. Even in blitz mode we weren't getting sufficient pressure on Feeley Sunday. Earlier in the season when Green was playing, we were getting pressure even without blitzing. Could be coincidence or not.

As for the dipstick who wants to cut him to keep Asante, his dead cap would be $12M or $6M per in 2008 and 2009 so his cap savings would only be around $2M in 2008 and $5M in 2009 before you factor in the cost of Green's replacement as the high quality backup and the increase Green would command as a starter who is only signed through 2009.

 

[Jimke]

Seymour is probably ticked off that he is not making Dwight Freeney

money. He will probably approach the Patriots at the end of the

season (if he has not already) to have his contract torn up. I

expect him to be a holdout during the spring and summer and

lobby for a new contract even though his current contract runs

up thru the 2009 season. Show me the money.

 

[DarrylS]

Seymour is so bad every year he gets voted by his peers to the Pro Bowl.. do you ever watch him during a game??, he is consistently double teamed and primarily is supposed to hold his spot which he does. This is not a statistic driven defense, so the numbers do not mean all that much. Try keying on him if you can and watch what he does, and how many people are on him. Assante is worth the cash, but not at Seymour's expense.

 

[patsgo]

Seymour is probably ticked off that he is not making Dwight Freeney

money. He will probably approach the Patriots at the end of the

season (if he has not already) to have his contract torn up. I

expect him to be a holdout during the spring and summer and

lobby for a new contract even though his current contract runs

up thru the 2009 season. Show me the money.

LET HIM THE PATRIOTS ARENT FOOLS

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

With or without injury, Seymour is no longer even being mentioned as one of the best DEs in the league.

Ever since he got his big new contract and fat bucks he has not been the same dominating player earlier in this decade - and that is when he is healthy so save the injury excuses for another time.

Jarvis Green is a more impact player,Maybe not as overall talented on paper as Richard earlier in his career but nevertheless the defense gets no worse - like it or not its the truth at this point
But I agree it would not be in the best interests of this team to trade Richard,He is still worthy of being a prominent defensive figure when he is at his best - which is sporadic these days.