ESPN's Michael Smith On Moss

[patsonmyback]

I dont care what anyone says, I thought Randy was the best before we got him, but, it kills me to think that some would not consider this guy a HOF candidate.

We all know Mike got his start at the Globe, and I have much love for him as a analyst but I cant agree with his take on this one, what do you guys think.

http://www.footballgameplan.com/Step-Up-To-The-Mike

For entertainment purposes, this smile will play the roll of an Eagle today. :bricks:

 

[Nordy]

Michael Smith is a friggin idiot. I can't stand the guy.

 

[LaBrady]

Smith forgets that Moss doesn't just have the numbers, he has rare, freakish talent.

 

[patsox23]

Could you guys be more oversensitive? His point is that Moss has more to do before he makes people forget enough of the crap he used to pull to get him to Canton. I think that's fair. I don't think he's saying MOSS CAN'T DO IT, but so far all Moss has done to "atone" is have 10 amazing games.

I suspect Smith knows, as most do, that it's very likely Randy WILL do more - continue his crazy production, win the Super Bowl and keep up this pattern of behavior and numbers, eventually making him this "slam dunk" for the HOF.

 

[IcyPatriot]

When a player has had a great career and is just short on the numbers they point to the numbers as the factor for not getting in. There are more than just a few great players who were great guys who did not get in.

So, if they're going to use numbers as their excuse for the others then they must use the numbers for the reason Moss does get in. The HOF requires the same standards for all players, opinion should be less than 1% of a factor.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Could you guys be more oversensitive? His point is that Moss has more to do before he makes people forget enough of the crap he used to pull to get him to Canton. I think that's fair. I don't think he's saying MOSS CAN'T DO IT, but so far all Moss has done to "atone" is have 10 amazing games.

I suspect Smith knows, as most do, that it's very likely Randy WILL do more - continue his crazy production, win the Super Bowl and keep up this pattern of behavior and numbers, eventually making him this "slam dunk" for the HOF.

If you could vote someone out of the HOF the owner he played for when he didn't do enough in Oakland would be a top candidate. That team was a freakin' train wreck. And in Minnesota where he played for the a-hole who was busy scapling SB tickets and the QB who the media built up based soley on his success with Randy to the point he decided to try to not throw to him...

Randy is a dominating, impact player - which first and foremost should be the criteria for HOF selection. It's not the HOStats or the HOTheverygood or the HOGreatguys (although those last two get muddy in hindsight). And I guess because he's not a HOF voter caliber scribe, Mike is forgetting there are no character clauses on the Professional Football HOF ballot. Gamblers, drug addicts, spousal abusers and likely a boatload of steroid users...

In ten seasons in the league he's been in the top ten in receiving yards and TD's 7 times, been to 5 pro bowls and should have been to 6, and he's about to go to what should have been his 7th in a season where he will rewrite the record books. He played 9 of his seasons without a remotely HOF caliber QB and for two pretty screwed up organizations. If he'd continued to flounder on bad teams he would have been a stretch. He'd be a slam dunk if he retired in 2008.

 

[patsox23]

If you could vote someone out of the HOF the owner he played for when he didn't do enough in Oakland would be a top candidate. That team was a freakin' train wreck. And in Minnesota where he played for the a-hole who was busy scapling SB tickets and the QB who the media built up based soley on his success with Randy to the point he decided to try to not throw to him...

Randy is a dominating, impact player - which first and foremost should be the criteria for HOF selection. It's not the HOStats or the HOTheverygood or the HOGreatguys (although those last two get muddy in hindsight). And I guess because he's not a HOF voter caliber scribe, Mike is forgetting there are no character clauses on the Professional Football HOF ballot. Gamblers, drug addicts, spousal abusers and likely a boatload of steroid users...

In ten seasons in the league he's been in the top ten in receiving yards and TD's 7 times, been to 5 pro bowls and should have been to 6, and he's about to go to what should have been his 7th in a season where he will rewrite the record books. He played 9 of his seasons without a remotely HOF caliber QB and for two pretty screwed up organizations. If he'd continued to flounder on bad teams he would have been a stretch. He'd be a slam dunk if he retired in 2008.

I don't think he would be. I think he SHOULD be, but mediots are a-holes and I think he would not be a slam dunk for that reason.

 

[FrontSeven]

So, Randy needs more time with Tom. Big deal. Is that like Mission Impossible? Is that just some pipe dream, or is it not already happening as we speak?

This year he could top out at over 22 TDs and then what will the argument be - that he only set the record once?

 

[Xzibit23]

If he goes on to break the TD record this year, there's just no way he can be denied. The numbers would just be too dominant.

 

[fillylabinga]

We all love Randy Moss now that he's a Patriot, but for the sake of argument let's pretend that he was never traded by Oakland and played out the rest of his career there doing more-or-less what he had been doing for the Raiders in the years he was there. In that example, how many of us would consider him a HOF candidate?

If it were me I'd say "no way." I would have remembered Moss as a loudmouth who had a couple of good years in a wide-open Vikings offense, but had no meaningful playoff wins, wasn't a leader, and mostly played for crappy teams. Not nearly a HOF candidate in my book. And to top it off he'd probably be retiring around the same time as guys like Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Rod Smith, Tory Holt, Hines Ward, TO, and no way are all those guys making it in.

I don't think you can underestimate how huge this year playing for the Pats has been for his reputation and therefore his HOF chances. If everything goes as we hope it does, Moss will have suddenly become the leading receiver and a team-first-guy on a SB winner (knock-on-wood). I'm still not sure that GUARANTEES him a place in the HOF but it will put him pretty close.

If he wants to guarantee that spot the best way for him to do it is to re-sign with the Pats for multiple years and put up 3-4 more 1000+ yd and 10+ TD seasons while doing some damage in the playoffs. That would make him a lock. But he could still screw it up I think by taking another Oakland-type deal.

I certainly hope Moss feels that way too, because I'm betting that there is some other desperate team in the NFL willing to give him more money next year than the Pats will. If he stays it will because he feels like he has made enough money already and is thinking about the HOF, maybe a broadcasting career, and his legacy in general.

This gives us a shot, at least, of re-signing him after this season.

 

[Xzibit23]

We all love Randy Moss now that he's a Patriot, but for the sake of argument let's pretend that he was never traded by Oakland and played out the rest of his career there doing more-or-less what he had been doing for the Raiders in the years he was there. In that example, how many of us would consider him a HOF candidate?

If it were me I'd say "no way." I would have remembered Moss as a loudmouth who had a couple of good years in a wide-open Vikings offense, but had no meaningful playoff wins, wasn't a leader, and mostly played for crappy teams. Not nearly a HOF candidate in my book. And to top it off he'd probably be retiring around the same time as guys like Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Rod Smith, Tory Holt, Hines Ward, TO, and no way are all those guys making it in.

I don't think you can underestimate how huge this year playing for the Pats has been for his reputation and therefore his HOF chances. If everything goes as we hope it does, Moss will have suddenly become the leading receiver and a team-first-guy on a SB winner (knock-on-wood). I'm still not sure that GUARANTEES him a place in the HOF but it will put him pretty close.

If he wants to guarantee that spot the best way for him to do it is to re-sign with the Pats for multiple years and put up 3-4 more 1000+ yd and 10+ TD seasons while doing some damage in the playoffs. That would make him a lock. But he could still screw it up I think by taking another Oakland-type deal.

I certainly hope Moss feels that way too, because I'm betting that there is some other desperate team in the NFL willing to give him more money next year than the Pats will. If he stays it will because he feels like he has made enough money already and is thinking about the HOF, maybe a broadcasting career, and his legacy in general.

This gives us a shot, at least, of re-signing him after this season.

But he didnt stay with Oakland, he came to NE and is in the midst of breaking the WR TD record, you can't simply dismiss that fact. The guy already has 8 great seasons, to suggest he needs 3-4 more along with winning SBs is crazy. I think he isn't a lock to be FIRST BALLOT hofer, but eventually his numbers would be too big to dismiss and he would have to get voted in.

 

[Maroney TD]

Since when does personality come into play with the HOF voting? Michael Irvin was voted in and had been caught with cocaine multiple times. Give me a break with this stuff.

EDIT: cause = caught - fixed

 

[makoute]

If Randy Moss didn't play a season after his days in Oakland (or even before his Oakland days), he put up numbers to be in the HOF. His year with the Pats should be just gravy.

 

[makoute]

If it were me I'd say "no way." I would have remembered Moss as a loudmouth who had a couple of good years in a wide-open Vikings offense, but had no meaningful playoff wins, wasn't a leader, and mostly played for crappy teams. Not nearly a HOF candidate in my book. And to top it off he'd probably be retiring around the same time as guys like Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, Rod Smith, Tory Holt, Hines Ward, TO, and no way are all those guys making it in.

What has Chad Johnson, TO, or Steve Smith won? Moss Vikings team made it to the NFC championship 3 times, while he was there. I think the Vikes missed the playoffs twice while he was there. Has put up 1,000 yds for all but two NFL season. Double digit td's in all but three seasons. Everyone keep saying how bad he was in Oakland, he had one terrible season in Oakland. His first season with the Raiders was pretty good. Unless you want to compare it to a regular R. Moss season.