Interesting Scenerio

[harveyw]

Now this may sound like a bit of a conspiracy theory, but bear with me for a second. With not many surefire franchise players at the top of this draft, what if the other teams in the league silently refuse to deal with the Pats. Many people on the board say "trade down" like it is as simple as stating it. There is no way the pats should take $0.50 on the dollar just to avoid selecting someone in the top 5. What do the Pats do and what are the cap implications? DO we select the BPA? Do we will pull a Minn. and not submit our pick in time?

IMO if we cannot trade down, we have to focus on DMac, or one of the Long boys. Dorsey would not fit on our defensive scheme and I cannot think of any other player worthy of a top 5 pick.

 

[patsfaninpa]

It's possible. Here's another one. In the baseball, where you go depends greatly on signability. Do we go to the top 3 or 4 players whom will be available when we're up. And, have them signed immediately. Look, you can join the greatest team in NFL history or get picked by the JESTERS. It's up to you. A little less than market value to play for a champion. I doubt if Chris Long is in desperate need of money. Would he take a deal like that?

 

[Daisymazze]

Somehow I don't think teams are going to shoot themselves in the foot if they want to and can trade up with the Patriots over a petty silent protest with the organization. I think they are more adult than that, and for some, their jobs may be hinging on a good draft. Who knows, but I doubt teams will be that childish

 

[Canada's #1 Pats Fan]

I doubt if Chris Long is in desperate need of money. Would he take a deal like that?

He might, but his agent wouldn't.

 

[PatsCanada]

I don't think this is reasonable. I mean, they would really be screwing us over.... we would have to take McFadden, and that would be awful!....

 

[VJCPatriot]

I don't think this is reasonable. I mean, they would really be screwing us over.... we would have to take McFadden, and that would be awful!....

LOL. I can think of worse fates then ending up with DMac.

 

[mcbee]

Harvey, I'd love to see if you graduated high school.

Can you spell "Scenario"?

Yeah, 31 teams will get together and have a cartel against the Patriots.

Not to worry! BB won't sell it for less than "full price".

Where do they publish the prices anyway? And who is "they"?

 

[The Shoe]

There's always someone who is looking to make a splash as a GM. Draft collusion is a hard sell. Someone out there will want what the Pats have. What remains to be seen is how much they're willing to pay in order to get it.

 

[harveyw]

Harvey, I'd love to see if you graduated high school.

Can you spell "Scenario"?

Yeah, 31 teams will get together and have a cartel against the Patriots.

Not to worry! BB won't sell it for less than "full price".

Where do they publish the prices anyway? And who is "they"?

Hey assclown, sorry I do not waste my time with spell check, but I forgot you never have mispelled anything or made a typo. For your info I went to BC undergrad and Wharton for graduate school. I probably make more money in a day than you make a year. Keep hanging in there chumpy, maybe I will hire you to correct my spelling mistakes.

 

[harveyw]

Harvey, I'd love to see if you graduated high school.

Can you spell "Scenario"?

Yeah, 31 teams will get together and have a cartel against the Patriots.

Not to worry! BB won't sell it for less than "full price".

Where do they publish the prices anyway? And who is "they"?

And maybe if you had the reading comprehension of an 8th grader you would see I was just throwing this out there. But you must be one of those guys that think trading down is so simple. Yeah ace, BB will just trade down to the spot he wants no problem...you're an idiot.

 

[JaredOfNazareth]

If the Pats have to use the pick they will draft whoever agrees to the cheaper deal before they are drafted. The Texans did that with Mario Williams. Reggie Bush wanted more money so they went with Williams. So a reach wouldn't be as bad because you get a guy that will fit and he's already agreed to a lower end contract. For instance if NE takes Gholston at #3 only if he agrees to #10 money plus a little extra. It works because if we don't take him at #3 he drops past #10 anyway. His agent would agree.

 

[PatsCanada]

If the Pats have to use the pick they will draft whoever agrees to the cheaper deal before they are drafted. The Texans did that with Mario Williams. Reggie Bush wanted more money so they went with Williams. So a reach wouldn't be as bad because you get a guy that will fit and he's already agreed to a lower end contract. For instance if NE takes Gholston at #3 only if he agrees to #10 money plus a little extra. It works because if we don't take him at #3 he drops past #10 anyway. His agent would agree.

Thats what I was thinking as well, i mean what rookie wouldn't want to come into the league as a Patriot (the Super Bowl Champions). We also have a reputation of being somewhat of a model organization in the way we treat our players, there have been a lot of 1st round busts who really just got the short end of the stick and got picked by a bad team, so I am sure that perhaps even McFadden (not saying hes the pick for sure, but i think so) may knock some $$$'s off his contract to play here. Just speculating though, I don't know much about him.
EDIT: Theres no rule against this is there? (negotiating contracts before the draft), i don't know too much about the rules of the draft.

 

[Pedrorocks458]

Hey assclown, sorry I do not waste my time with spell check, but I forgot you never have mispelled anything or made a typo. For your info I went to BC undergrad and Wharton for graduate school. I probably make more money in a day than you make a year. Keep hanging in there chumpy, maybe I will hire you to correct my spelling mistakes.

Maybe you should start by spelling "misspelled" correctly. Might lend a little weight to the argument.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If the Pats have to use the pick they will draft whoever agrees to the cheaper deal before they are drafted. The Texans did that with Mario Williams. Reggie Bush wanted more money so they went with Williams. So a reach wouldn't be as bad because you get a guy that will fit and he's already agreed to a lower end contract. For instance if NE takes Gholston at #3 only if he agrees to #10 money plus a little extra. It works because if we don't take him at #3 he drops past #10 anyway. His agent would agree.

Can't do that. Draft salaries are slotted by position. Even if the player were willing, the Players Union would nix that deal in a new york minute.

EDIT: Theres no rule against this is there? (negotiating contracts before the draft), i don't know too much about the rules of the draft.

There's no rule against negotiating the contract before the draft. The problem here lies in the fact that the Patriots would be offering a contract commensurate with the #10 pick instead of the #2 or #3 pick. The Player's Union would never allow it.

 

[dryheat44]

For instance if NE takes Gholston at #3 only if he agrees to #10 money plus a little extra. It works because if we don't take him at #3 he drops past #10 anyway. His agent would agree.

The hell he would. If Gholston goes number three, the starting figure is what the #3 pick signed for last year. It's all academic anyway because....

There's no rule against negotiating the contract before the draft. The problem here lies in the fact that the Patriots would be offering a contract commensurate with the #10 pick instead of the #2 or #3 pick. The Player's Union would never allow it.

There is absolutely a rule against negotiating the contract before the draft, unless you are the top pick, or every team picking above you already has signed a contract. If the Patriots are drafting in the #4 hole, they can't negotiate a contract unless teams drafting 1, 2, & 3 have already signed their guys to a contract.