PremiumTicketsCheap.com is scamming fans out of tix!!!

[LiveShot]

A fool and his money are too soon parted---Benjamin Franklin

 

[Dr Pain]

Jim Kocher can post whatever policies he wishes, but it is against the law to charge your credit card and not deliver said services or product for 6 weeks. Period! I would contact VISA, MC, or whichever credit card company you used to make the purchase and file a complaint.

Further, it does not appear that he is incorporated. Just a single-ownership business with a fairly cheesy-looking web business. I would consider contacting an attorney to file a lawsuit in the state of Indiana.

This is it. Go after his merchant account. If he loses he ability to take credit cards he is out of buisness. Tell him that is what you are going after, his merchant account.

 

[Dr Pain]

Also you can sue him in Massachusetts in small claims court. He will have to come here to defend himself or lose by default. If he doesn’t pay his default judgment you then pay $30 for a show cause hearing and if he doesn’t show up to that you can have a bench warrant issued so he is arrested if he gets in a traffic stop. Also then you can have the judge issue an order awarding you the domain name which you can then send to internic who will transfer the domain ownership to you which will put him out of business.

You are the consumer and you can sue him under chapter 93a for triple damages in small claims court in Massachusetts.

Moral is, don't get Dr Pain mad at you.

 

[Gwedd]

Dr Pain,

I'd even go a step further. Seeing's how he's a sole-proprieter, operating out of his house, there's also the question of whether or not he's keeping the state and the IRS up to date on his tax situation.

It's amazong how tenacious the tax man can be if he thinks you are holding out on him

Respects,

 

[QuiGon]

Please pass this message on to anyone you know so that it doesn't happen to them. If you would like to help us in our fight to get our tickets, we have started an online petition at
http://www.petitiononline.com/patstix/petition.html

Please help fellow Pats fans get to our game!!!!!

A petition ain't going to do crap and you're up sh*t's creek without a paddle legally. This is why I always tell people to use eBay. People think online, "established" brokers are always nice and reliable. Fat chance.

 

[QuiGon]

The most recent communication from the broker:

From: jim kocher ([email protected])
Sent: Tue 11/20/07 2:29 PM
To: Boston Girl ([email protected])

"If the Fulfilling Broker discovers an item's correct price is higher than the stated price, the Fulfilling Broker will, at their discretion, either contact you for instructions before shipping or cancel your order and notify you of such cancellation."

Translation: We will sell tickets we don't own for football games coming up. If the price goes down, we buy the tickets from other people to fulfill our orders. If the price goes up, we refund the money instead of fulfilling the orders.

This is how brokers work. You see it all the time during Super Bowl week. And this is another reason why scalping should be legalized.

 

[QuiGon]

Also you can sue him in Massachusetts in small claims court. He will have to come here to defend himself or lose by default. If he doesn’t pay his default judgment you then pay $30 for a show cause hearing and if he doesn’t show up to that you can have a bench warrant issued so he is arrested if he gets in a traffic stop. Also then you can have the judge issue an order awarding you the domain name which you can then send to internic who will transfer the domain ownership to you which will put him out of business.

You are the consumer and you can sue him under chapter 93a for triple damages in small claims court in Massachusetts.

Moral is, don't get Dr Pain mad at you.

This similar thing happened a few years ago with regards to SB tickets. A bunch of Pats fans bought tickets to SB39 from some broker who promised to deliver them by gametime. So they all went down to Florida and got stiffed out of the tickets. But he refunded the money, so legally there wasn't really much the customers could do.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Isn't this one of the reasons we have attorneys?

Sue the Bast@#$.

Sue for performance.

It seems like you're taking the long way round.

 

[TBonePatsFan]

And this is another reason why scalping should be legalized.

Can anyone explain to me why scalping is illegal, but brokers are allowed to operate legally? I honestly don't see any difference in what they do?

AceTickets spends a lot of cash advertising these days and I know their prices are ABSURD to most events.

Personally, I'd love to see all of these ba$tard$ shut down. The reason why we can't get tix to the RedSox or Patriots is that they're all bought up from these scumbags in the first few moments the tickets go on sale.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Translation: We will sell tickets we don't own for football games coming up. If the price goes down, we buy the tickets from other people to fulfill our orders. If the price goes up, we refund the money instead of fulfilling the orders.

This is how brokers work.

This post deserves emphasis. We're conditioned that when we see something for sale with a price and we decide to buy it, it's immediately sold to us. This is not the case with these brokers. With them, you see a price for tickets and decide to buy them, you've in essence put a non-refundable offer on the tickets. The broker can then try and get those tickets (or equivalent) as cheap as possible (much cheaper than your non-refundable offer...he's not going to pass on the savings to you) or cancel the order if he can't get them. It's zero risk to the broker.

That they don't come right out and say this and that you have to infer this from the weasely way the terms and conditions are explained (and burried deep in small print) shows how shady their practice is.

Regards,
Chris

 

[QuiGon]

Can anyone explain to me why scalping is illegal, but brokers are allowed to operate legally? I honestly don't see any difference in what they do?

I wish I could answer this question. Everyday I drive past Ace Tickets just off the Mass Tpke. I roll my eyes and wonder how they aren't being shut down. However, I do believe some guy recently sued them. Fortunately, scalping is about to be legalized in Massachusetts.

Personally, I'd love to see all of these ba$tard$ shut down. The reason why we can't get tix to the RedSox or Patriots is that they're all bought up from these scumbags in the first few moments the tickets go on sale.

Well here's where we'll have to agree to disagree. A free and open marketplace ultimately benefits the consumer. I'll ignore the comment that someone is a "scumbag" for trying to buy a good and resell at a higher price because I see no logic contained therein.

I want scalping to be legalized to cut the brokers out of the loop. Wouldn't it be kinda cool to buy tickets from reliable fans, even perhaps at a premium instead of from anonymous scalpers..? I gotten a few tickets to Patriots games myself in that manner.

 

[bostongirl210]

A petition ain't going to do crap and you're up sh*t's creek without a paddle legally. This is why I always tell people to use eBay. People think online, "established" brokers are always nice and reliable. Fat chance.

I appreciate your advice and opinions on the matter, the petition wasn't meant have any legal bearing other than to show the reach of our message not to deal with this website, and to show support against the cause.

Although legally he is not completely in the clear as he is not in line with the policies he keeps citing to clear himself. He didn't follow the procedure of the transaction as it states his company will in his own policies.

Yes it's an uphill battle and likely a losing one, I'm well aware of that. However that doesn't mean I can't use every option available to me to try to sink this guy for what he did to us. This forum, making people aware and getting people to talk about it is one of them, it may not solve my immediate problem, but spreading the word helps. At least it helps me. I have to fight in some way.

 

[RayClay]

Also you can sue him in Massachusetts in small claims court. He will have to come here to defend himself or lose by default. If he doesn’t pay his default judgment you then pay $30 for a show cause hearing and if he doesn’t show up to that you can have a bench warrant issued so he is arrested if he gets in a traffic stop. Also then you can have the judge issue an order awarding you the domain name which you can then send to internic who will transfer the domain ownership to you which will put him out of business.

You are the consumer and you can sue him under chapter 93a for triple damages in small claims court in Massachusetts.

Moral is, don't get Dr Pain mad at you.

 

[fgssand]

I appreciate your advice and opinions on the matter, the petition wasn't meant have any legal bearing other than to show the reach of our message not to deal with this website, and to show support against the cause.

Although legally he is not completely in the clear as he is not in line with the policies he keeps citing to clear himself. He didn't follow the procedure of the transaction as it states his company will in his own policies.

Yes it's an uphill battle and likely a losing one, I'm well aware of that. However that doesn't mean I can't use every option available to me to try to sink this guy for what he did to us. This forum, making people aware and getting people to talk about it is one of them, it may not solve my immediate problem, but spreading the word helps. At least it helps me. I have to fight in some way.

Sorry for your plight......while you can try all of the suggestions here, looks like you are S-O-L.

One thing you do have is his address, there fore, if I were you, I would invest another $200 into this mess and send a really large man over to his house to beat the ever loving sheeat out of him.

He can simply say don't screw with a Patsfan - ever.

 

[TBonePatsFan]

A free and open marketplace ultimately benefits the consumer. I'll ignore the comment that someone is a "scumbag" for trying to buy a good and resell at a higher price because I see no logic contained therein.

Wouldn't it be kinda cool to buy tickets from reliable fans, even perhaps at a premium instead of from anonymous scalpers..?

Thanks for the response and I do apologize for the scumbag tag, but it just bothers me to no end!

I appreciate the "free and open marketplace", but how does it benefit the consumer when people who have no interest in attending the actual event, buy up all the tickets for the sole purpose of selling them at 2, 5, even 10 times face value?

With regards to "woundn't it be cool to buy tickets from reliable fans", it would be more cool to buy them at face value from the red sox or patriots ticket office.

By the way, I'm just venting here .... we're on the same side.

 

[QuiGon]

Thanks for the response and I do apologize for the scumbag tag, but it just bothers me to no end!

I appreciate the "free and open marketplace", but how does it benefit the consumer when people who have no interest in attending the actual event, buy up all the tickets for the sole purpose of selling them at 2, 5, even 10 times face value?

With regards to "woundn't it be cool to buy tickets from reliable fans", it would be more cool to buy them at face value from the red sox or patriots ticket office.

By the way, I'm just venting here .... we're on the same side.

But suppose scalping was illegal and enforced and nobody scalped... do you really believe Patriots tickets will be plentiful and available from the ticket office..?

 

[TBonePatsFan]

But suppose scalping was illegal and enforced and nobody scalped... do you really believe Patriots tickets will be plentiful and available from the ticket office..?

Tickets supply will never meet demand until the Patriots and Red Sox suck again (and I hope that's a long time off

Let's say scalping was illegal and enforced. For arguements sake, let's assume there are 60,000 seats in Gillette. Of those, 55,000 seats are taken by season ticket holders. That leaves 5,000 tickets available to the general public. Now there may be 100,000 people interested in those seats, and obviously many of them will not be able to attend the game. But 5,000 (with or without scalpers) will have the opportunity to purchase tickets. The only difference, is if SCALPING REMAINS ILLEGAL, and is ENFORCED, these folks would not be breaking the bank to attend a sporting event.

You seem much more intelligent than I, but I just can't see where legalizing and allowing scalping helps anyone other than the scalper themselves.

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[QuiGon]

Tickets supply will never meet demand until the Patriots and Red Sox suck again (and I hope that's a long time off

Let's say scalping was illegal and enforced. For arguements sake, let's assume there are 60,000 seats in Gillette. Of those, 55,000 seats are taken by season ticket holders. That leaves 5,000 tickets available to the general public. Now there may be 100,000 people interested in those seats, and obviously many of them will not be able to attend the game. But 5,000 (with or without scalpers) will have the opportunity to purchase tickets. The only difference, is if SCALPING REMAINS ILLEGAL, and is ENFORCED, these folks would not be breaking the bank to attend a sporting event.

You seem much more intelligent than I, but I just can't see where legalizing and allowing scalping helps anyone other than the scalper themselves.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Here's an example how it helps: I bought a pair of tickets to SB39 from a scalper for about $5,000. But without scalping, how in the world could I ever hope to attend that event..? I am not a Patriots season ticket holder (and even if I were, winning their lottery is quite the long shot).

There's just no way within reason I could ever hope to get those tickets. But because there is scalping then I, as a consumer, have benefitted because I have options that weren't otherwise available.