Peter King: Still likes the Colts

[scout]

King has Manning right behind Brady as the leagues MVP. Says he deserves a mulligan or something like that. Indy of course is ranked #2.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/11/11/week10/index.html

 

[paragon11]

He's got Manning at #3, with Favre now sitting at #2 on his MVP list.

Terry

 

[bradmahn]

What a God-awful article by our resident curly-haired dough boy! King's basically striking last night's game from the records, making excuses, and giving mulligans.

The Fine Fifteen

1. New England (9-0). Bye Week Thought of the Week: Since Oct. 18, the Hub's baseball, basketball and football teams (Sox, Celts, Pats) are 15-0.

2. Indianapolis (7-2). Have you ever seen a more disastrous Peyton Manning stretch of football than the first quarter on Sunday night? Check out the wide receivers who dressed for the Colts in San Diego: Reggie Wayne, Aaron Moorehead (27 career catches in 34 games before Sunday night), Craphonso Thorpe (zero career catches, signed Oct. 6 off the Colts' practice squad). That's it.

After that? Dallas, Pitt, Green Bay...and here's the real shocker.... SAN DIEGO!

What?!

Dallas, Pitt, and Green Bay are all coming off wins against division rivals, with two of the three playing teams with winning records. The Colts lose in an absolutely ugly fashion and they're still number two in your rankings? The Colts, after last night, should be ranked no higher than fifth.

San Diego is a bottom half of the league team.

The MVP watch is even more disgusting.

Peyton Manning is still in his top three consideration for MVP. It's difficult to even make the argument that Manning is the most valuable player on his team, in the most literal definition of the word. He lost them last night's game. And if it's statistics you want, 16 TDs and 10 INTs are not MVP-worthy numbers.

 

[363839]

Why all QBs for MVP.
Doesn't Randy have a good case?

 

[Lampshade]

Even before last night I had no clue how Peyton was popping up at #2 on everyone's MVP list.

 

[RussFrancis]

Where does he see Roethlisberger, Romo or Moss?? heck, Id vote for Braylon Edwards over Manning right now. Manning as an MVP candidate this year is a joke. He doesnt have a leg to stand on in that debate. Id line up MVP voting like this:

Brady
Romo
Favre
Moss
Big Ben


Outside of the top 5, what's the point in even listing candidates, and Id start that second 5 with Derek Anderson. You can make a pretty strong case that Manning's not even a ProBowler this season.

 

[marty]

Thanks for the recap bradmahn, I still refuse to give that man any hits on his website!

 

[patsgo]

Thanks for the recap bradmahn, I still refuse to give that man any hits on his website!

i vote not to let his crap be posted we should ban anyhing he writes or says because its all stupid and bias

 

[borg]

When I see Manning play, I see 2 things.....Wobbly passes and wide open WRs....

 

[PlattsFan]

I'd like to point out one thing, though: of the non-divisional games for the Patriots, 5 out of 8 are against teams in King's top 10. His top 15 isn't perfect, but it's pretty close to conventional wisdom.

If the Patriots go undefeated, it'll be the best season of any team in history by far. The Dolphins in 72 didn't play anybody.

 

[Drewwho]

My honest MVP list would be:

Farve
Brady
Roethlisberger
Moss
Romo

Tom should have been the slam dunk MVP last year and probably in 2003, but it didn't work out that way. If Brady continues at even 50% of his first half pace he will win it, but Farve is the true MVP this year. What he is doing without a running game and young defense is amazing. Similar senario to what happened with Brady last year. I have to be consistent in my thinking although I of course am partial to Brady and would love to see our first franchise MVP

 

[Oswlek]

My honest MVP list would be:

Farve
Brady
Roethlisberger
Moss
Romo

Tom should have been the slam dunk MVP last year and probably in 2003, but it didn't work out that way. If Brady continues at even 50% of his first half pace he will win it, but Farve is the true MVP this year. What he is doing without a running game and young defense is amazing. Similar senario to what happened with Brady last year. I have to be consistent in my thinking although I of course am partial to Brady and would love to see our first franchise MVP

I take offense to the way you describe Green Bay's defense. Frankly, the team is carried by the defense a lot more than they are Favre. He is a condidate, but Brady or Manning would be just as productive if not more so.

 

[FrontSeven]

It's true that they'll be a different team with Marvin and Clark in there. And dropping back to the pack in November isn't the end of the world. We know that finishing strong is the key.

As far as MVP goes I don't see how you can't make Favre at least top 3 because of weighted impact to that team. They have crap for a running game, and not a stable of receivers, so his impact is huge.

Also I think that team finally has a defense worthy of a contender, and that has to help. If the Packers had gotten Randy they might actually be sitting where the Patriots are now in the rankings. The Packers are not a complete team though. Their missing pieces will destroy them sooner or later.

Still, Favre's impact is pretty obvious. It's great for the game.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

It's true that they'll be a different team with Marvin and Clark in there. And dropping back to the pack in November isn't the end of the world. We know that finishing strong is the key.

As far as MVP goes I don't see how you can't make Favre at least top 3 because of weighted impact to that team. They have crap for a running game, and not a stable of receivers, so his impact is huge.

Also I think that team finally has a defense worthy of a contender, and that has to help. If the Packers had gotten Randy they might actually be sitting where the Patriots are now in the rankings. The Packers are not a complete team though. Their missing pieces will destroy them sooner or later.

Still, Favre's impact is pretty obvious. It's great for the game.

Last I checked you still need to play 16 games before the Mediots can vote for league MVP

 

[RayClay]

It's true that they'll be a different team with Marvin and Clark in there. And dropping back to the pack in November isn't the end of the world. We know that finishing strong is the key.

As far as MVP goes I don't see how you can't make Favre at least top 3 because of weighted impact to that team. They have crap for a running game, and not a stable of receivers, so his impact is huge.

Also I think that team finally has a defense worthy of a contender, and that has to help. If the Packers had gotten Randy they might actually be sitting where the Patriots are now in the rankings. The Packers are not a complete team though. Their missing pieces will destroy them sooner or later.

Still, Favre's impact is pretty obvious. It's great for the game.

What's the weather like in Indy today?

 

[IcyPatriot]

Peter King likes whomever pays him the most to pump up their team.

 

[Fixit]

"When San Diego plays with emotion, as it did Sunday night, it can beat anyone -- and that's not just sportswriter pabulum."

Did he even watch the game?

 

[Buchanty]

As much as I think Tom Brady deserves to win MVP for the season so far, and how much I would like to see him get the recognition that is his due, there is an upside to Favre winning it instead. He is having an exceptional year and is a viable contender. However a 3rd MVP (i.e. not shared - like when Saunders got jobbed) may help his decision in retiring. So please, please take the trophy and go out on top of your game! I couldnt bear another off season of Favre-ish fever on his coming or goings.

Second reason - just remember no MVP this century has got a SB ring. Warner got both in 1999 and although the SB was played in 2000, the 21st centry didnt start until 12 month's later).

As to the top 5 QB's its easier to pick the pro-bowlers

NFC - Favre, Romo and .....um er Kitna, um no its er Garcia... wait
AFC - Brady, Roethlisburger and ....um er Anderson, um Manning maybe - no

OK got that one wrong. Though at this stag Anderson should be ahead of PM.

 

[nowayback]

and we wonder why Brady hasnt won a mvp yet ! here we have pats fans thinking maybe someone else should win it this year besides BRADY !

 

[alamo]

The "I will not read Peter King because he's fat and hates the Patriots" people are just being childish, in my opinion. No "journalist" ever is, or should be, uniformly critical or uncritical of the teams and people they cover. King says a lot to agree with as well as to disagree with, and either way some of it is informative and entertaining.

To wit: his MVP list:

MVP Watch

1. Tom Brady, QB, New England. Not sure, but I believe Brady threw for three touchdowns on the Patriots' bye week.
4. Randy Moss, WR, New England. Moss' two seasons in Oakland: 11 touchdowns. Moss' half-season in New England: 12 touchdowns.

And also:

Factoid of the Week That May Interest Only Me

In the windowless Gillette Stadium office of New England vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli is a 2000 Fleer football card with the "New England Patriots Rookie Stars'' of that season. On one half of the rectangular card is Boise State tight end Dave Stachelski, the 141st pick in the draft, a fifth-round choice. On the other half is Michigan quarterback Tom Brady, the 199th pick in the draft, a sixth-rounder. The 2000 draft was the first New England draft run by Bill Belichick and Pioli.
Stachelski never played a down for New England. Brady is Brady.
Just a little reminder for Pioli: When he starts thinking how brilliantly the Patriots' draft room has been run over the years, he can think back to the day his team chose a no-name tight end who never got out of training camp 55 picks before they picked one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

And this:

7. I think I think the most interesting 2008 draft story -- and I touched on this on HBO the other day -- will be what the Patriots do with the unexpected riches they'll have because the 49ers are so bad this year. To refresh: Last April, the Patriots traded the 28th pick in the draft to San Francisco for the 49ers' fourth-round pick this year and their first-round pick next year. New England traded the fourth-rounder to Oakland for Randy Moss. Now the Patriots will have a much higher first-round pick than anyone thought when the 2007 season started and the 49ers looked like a playoff contender. If the season ended today, San Francisco would hold the fifth pick in the 2008 draft.
On the draft trade chart that all teams use to calculate draft value, the sixth overall pick is worth 1,600 points. The 32nd overall pick is worth 590, while the 16th overall pick is worth 1,000. In essence, the Patriots, by virtue of the 49ers' crappy season, are likely to have exactly the same value they thought they'd have entering the season, and before Roger Goodell took away their first-round pick over Spygate -- the value of a mid- and late-round pick. I should note that because we haven't seen the frenzy to acquire the top few picks in recent that we've seen in the past, the value board for the top 10 picks should probably be scaled down.
In any case, there will be certainly be significantly more value for the sixth pick than there would have been for the 18th or 20th pick, obviously. New England's history is free-wheeling on draft day, and they hate the value of high first-rounders, preferring to pick players later for less money. And they've been right.
Laurence Maroney was the 21st pick in 2006. His cap numbers the next three years: $1.443 million, $1.634 million, $1.774 million. Brandon Meriweather was the 24th pick this year. His cap numbers over the next three years: $1.140 million, $1.406 million, $1.647 million.
In any case, the draft outlook is looking much brighter for the Patriots than it looked the day Goodell whacked Belichick. The 28th pick in the draft for the best receiver in football right now and a top 10 pick. Not bad.
Postscript: With the 28th pick this year, San Francisco took Central Michigan tackle Joe Staley, who has been turnstiled by a couple of pass-rushers, including Michael Strahan, this year. Oakland, with the 110th pick, chose University of Cincinnati safety John Bowie, who has been inactive for every Raiders game.