Brady or Manning on the Dolphins

[The Predator]

Yeah, avoid the topic, good job.

Can't debate someone's record, the Fins are 0-8, I know that. If you feel the need to keep saying it you're pathetic. Please, refute the Vince Young argument or shutup.

I didn't avoid the topic whatsoever. In fact, ******, my point is very strong. While VY may be having some growing pains getting used to the league as it his 2nd year, he has a good team supporting him and helping win games. 6-2 is an excellent record.

You are tring to set an expectation of a 2nd year QB to be a Hall of Famer or something. The guy obviously is a great talent and has won some huge games on his raw skill. Just because he isn't a superstar right not doesn't matter. If the Titans are 6-2 (not 0-8) and Young has struggled, the Titans are in a good position for making a playoff shot. Theoretically Young will get better with more and more game play.

Maybe you do not know this, but it takes a team to win a SB, a TEAM. This is easily demonstrated with recent events. Tom Brady was no superstar when he took over for Bledsoe. He was smart and didn't make mistakes. The TEAM came around him and supported him. Brady responded and led them to a championship. Take Brady or the team away and neither wins.

Trent Dilfer won a SB and was no great QB. His TEAM was great. Same with Brad Johnson.

Ben Rothlisburger has the worst SB QB rating in history, yet his team played well, supported him, and he did enough to win.

Do you need more? For some reason, Miami thinks if they find the next Marino then the will win the SB. This is a foolish idea. It takes a full team. While it is a comfort to have a Hall of Fame QB like Brady, there are other ways to win championships. It is a team game, and something you will never understand.S

So you ******, shut up.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Can't debate someone's record, the Fins are 0-8, I know that.

Actually, you're wrong about the Phins record.

 

[The Predator]

Actually, you're wrong about the Phins record.

oh ya, lost a barn burner to the bills 47-46. ok, maybe it was a snoozer 13-10.

 

[The Predator]

Hey Fish Idiot. Can't debate facts can you.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

I didn't avoid the topic whatsoever. In fact, ******, my point is very strong. While VY may be having some growing pains getting used to the league as it his 2nd year, he has a good team supporting him and helping win games. 6-2 is an excellent record.

You are tring to set an expectation of a 2nd year QB to be a Hall of Famer or something. The guy obviously is a great talent and has won some huge games on his raw skill. Just because he isn't a superstar right not doesn't matter. If the Titans are 6-2 (not 0-8) and Young has struggled, the Titans are in a good position for making a playoff shot. Theoretically Young will get better with more and more game play.

Maybe you do not know this, but it takes a team to win a SB, a TEAM. This is easily demonstrated with recent events. Tom Brady was no superstar when he took over for Bledsoe. He was smart and didn't make mistakes. The TEAM came around him and supported him. Brady responded and led them to a championship. Take Brady or the team away and neither wins.

Trent Dilfer won a SB and was no great QB. His TEAM was great. Same with Brad Johnson.

Ben Rothlisburger has the worst SB QB rating in history, yet his team played well, supported him, and he did enough to win.

Do you need more? For some reason, Miami thinks if they find the next Marino then the will win the SB. This is a foolish idea. It takes a full team. While it is a comfort to have a Hall of Fame QB like Brady, there are other ways to win championships. It is a team game, and something you will never understand.S

So you ******, shut up.

First off, have you ever heard the term, politically correct? Calling me ******ed doesn't enhance your argument; it just makes you look stupid and discredits your position.

If you think the Titans are winning because of Vince Young, you have no idea what you're talking about and there's no point debating that issue. It is what it is; Vince Young is terrible.

I haven't seen him progress at all but rather regress. Combine his INTs and fumbles and it nearly equals 40. That's double the games he has played in his career which means he is turning it over or giving the opportunity for a turnover 2 times per game.

Yeah, no kidding it takes a team, what do you think is carrying Young to a 6-3 record? HIS TEAM! Stop trying to give credit to a QB when he hasn't done a damn thing and his defense is making all these mainstream media outlets lead morons like you to believe it's all because of VY. Watch him play, watch him turn the ball over, watch him miss open receivers, then try to judge him. Evaluating a QB by his team's record is the biggest misconception in the NFL.

If a QB was judged by wins and losses, why is Rex Grossman now a backup just 8 months after he was in a Super Bowl?

All you're doing is proving my point. I think Vince sucks and the Titans are winning inspite of him.

I noticed you continue to tell me to shut up, call me ******, and various other attempts to attack me but again, you've just discredited your already extremely weak argument.

 

[patriotspride]

I didn't avoid the topic whatsoever. In fact, ******, my point is very strong. While VY may be having some growing pains getting used to the league as it his 2nd year, he has a good team supporting him and helping win games. 6-2 is an excellent record.

You are tring to set an expectation of a 2nd year QB to be a Hall of Famer or something. The guy obviously is a great talent and has won some huge games on his raw skill. Just because he isn't a superstar right not doesn't matter. If the Titans are 6-2 (not 0-8) and Young has struggled, the Titans are in a good position for making a playoff shot. Theoretically Young will get better with more and more game play.

Maybe you do not know this, but it takes a team to win a SB, a TEAM. This is easily demonstrated with recent events. Tom Brady was no superstar when he took over for Bledsoe. He was smart and didn't make mistakes. The TEAM came around him and supported him. Brady responded and led them to a championship. Take Brady or the team away and neither wins.

Trent Dilfer won a SB and was no great QB. His TEAM was great. Same with Brad Johnson.

Ben Rothlisburger has the worst SB QB rating in history, yet his team played well, supported him, and he did enough to win.

Do you need more? For some reason, Miami thinks if they find the next Marino then the will win the SB. This is a foolish idea. It takes a full team. While it is a comfort to have a Hall of Fame QB like Brady, there are other ways to win championships. It is a team game, and something you will never understand.S

So you ******, shut up.

excellent post .you have owned aqua as usual.
:rocker:

 

[The Predator]

First off, have you ever heard the term, politically correct? Calling me ******ed doesn't enhance your argument; it just makes you look stupid and discredits your position.

If you think the Titans are winning because of Vince Young, you have no idea what you're talking about and there's no point debating that issue. It is what it is; Vince Young is terrible.

I haven't seen him progress at all but rather regress. Combine his INTs and fumbles and it nearly equals 40. That's double the games he has played in his career which means he is turning it over or giving the opportunity for a turnover 2 times per game.

Yeah, no kidding it takes a team, what do you think is carrying Young to a 6-3 record? HIS TEAM! Stop trying to give credit to a QB when he hasn't done a damn thing and his defense is making all these mainstream media outlets lead morons like you to believe it's all because of VY. Watch him play, watch him turn the ball over, watch him miss open receivers, then try to judge him. Evaluating a QB by his team's record is the biggest misconception in the NFL.

If a QB was judged by wins and losses, why is Rex Grossman now a backup just 8 months after he was in a Super Bowl?

All you're doing is proving my point. I think Vince sucks and the Titans are winning inspite of him.

I noticed you continue to tell me to shut up, call me ******, and various other attempts to attack me but again, you've just discredited your already extremely weak argument.

Whoaaaaaaaaaa excuse you??? You start the insults in this thread and tell me to shut up, but can't take it when it gets turned in your face? Wow, what a sorry ass losing ****** you are. Oh no, i discredited myself in front on the most idiotic poster behind NEM. My image pains me so.

Where the heck did I say that the Titans are winning becasue of Young? Can you even read ******? When did I give Young credit? Try reading what I posted instead of making things up as you usually do. Try looking at the TEAM concept I explained.

Now let me address your lack of football knowledge. Who is Vince Young? The Titans drafted him to be their QB of the future. He is a second year QB. He has been fighting injuries this year. He has excellent raw skill in arm strength, fairly good accuracy, and speed.

I am going to state this again because you seem to reaaly be slow at getting it. Young is a second year QB!!!! How many 2nd year QBs rip up the league??? He is not a HOFfer, yet any coach in the league, ANY COACH IN THE LEAGUE, ALL 32 COACHES IN THE LEAGUE, WOULD TAKE HIM OVER ANY QB THE DOOFINS HAVE ON THEIR ROSTER. BANK ON IT ******.

Lol about your Rex theory. Why did Rex get pulled? Not because of his win loss record. That is such an idiotic idea. Rex got pulled because he was given every chance to succeed over a period of years, didn't show consistency, and started losing games. Young is in his second freaking year. The Rex project is over. The Bears will move on after this season. It isn't even closein comparison. Rex was never drafted as the #1 Round pick franchise QB.

It is so ironic that an idiot fan of a 0-9 team says someone else sucks.

 

[patriotspride]

never i mean never ever talk football with aqua .its a total waste of time .

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Whoaaaaaaaaaa excuse you??? You start the insults in this thread and tell me to shut up, but can't take it when it gets turned in your face? Wow, what a sorry ass losing ****** you are. Oh no, i discredited myself in front on the most idiotic poster behind NEM. My image pains me so.

Where the heck did I say that the Titans are winning becasue of Young? Can you even read ******? When did I give Young credit? Try reading what I posted instead of making things up as you usually do. Try looking at the TEAM concept I explained.

Now let me address your lack of football knowledge. Who is Vince Young? The Titans drafted him to be their QB of the future. He is a second year QB. He has been fighting injuries this year. He has excellent raw skill in arm strength, fairly good accuracy, and speed.

I am going to state this again because you seem to reaaly be slow at getting it. Young is a second year QB!!!! How many 2nd year QBs rip up the league??? He is not a HOFfer, yet any coach in the league, ANY COACH IN THE LEAGUE, ALL 32 COACHES IN THE LEAGUE, WOULD TAKE HIM OVER ANY QB THE DOOFINS HAVE ON THEIR ROSTER. BANK ON IT ******.

Lol about your Rex theory. Why did Rex get pulled? Not because of his win loss record. That is such an idiotic idea. Rex got pulled because he was given every chance to succeed over a period of years, didn't show consistency, and started losing games. Young is in his second freaking year. The Rex project is over. The Bears will move on after this season. It isn't even closein comparison. Rex was never drafted as the #1 Round pick franchise QB.

It is so ironic that an idiot fan of a 0-9 team says someone else sucks.

Well you were arguing against me and my point is that Young is the worst starting QB in the NFL so what else would you be *****ing about?

NO **** IT'S A TEAM CONCEPT? WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M ARGUING?

If you think Vince Young has good accuracy you are the worst talent evaluator of all time. All Vince does is look at his #1 receiver and if he's not wide open he takes off. Recently, he has learned that can't always work and since he has no idea how to check down or go through progressions he usually makes the wrong decision or forces the pass and that's why he has so many picks.

Okay, he's a 2nd year QB, but he's terrible. Jay Cutler looks light years ahead of Vince, Trent Edwards looks better then Vince. If you put any of these youngsters on that Tennessee team, they are no worse then 6-3 either.

 

[Tommysgirl]

"Do you need more? For some reason, Miami thinks if they find the next Marino then the will win the SB. This is a foolish idea. It takes a full team. While it is a comfort to have a Hall of Fame QB like Brady, there are other ways to win championships. It is a team game, and something you will never understand."


Actually, they couldn't win one with the real Marino, either. Why would a new one change things?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I am not sure if either could make it a winning team, the biggest problem with Olphins is they have no "D"

However, definitely Brady. Both are great if they have great receivers that they have had time to practice with and have experience throwing to. Brady has proven he can be pretty darn good (not great, but very good) with low quality receivers. If Peyton has to play with substandard receivers he throws 6 int.

I am not saying Manning is not a great QB and I take nothing away from him for last night.

Also Brady has come off the bench in in the middle of the season and taken a losing team to the SB. Peyton it was with a team that he had played with for years.

So if I had my choice to plug a hole on any team it would be Brady.

 

[The Predator]

never i mean never ever talk football with aqua .its a total waste of time .

ya i wont do that again. the guy is a complete homer/idiot.

 

[SteelerSteve]

I just might have to try and sim some seasons in Madden and see what happens although im sure it won't be a very accurate simulation..

lol yeah, that usually doesn't really work, but back to the topic I think Peyton and Tom would definitley make that team better, but I doubt either alone could make them great.

 

[SteelerSteve]

I didn't avoid the topic whatsoever. In fact, ******, my point is very strong. While VY may be having some growing pains getting used to the league as it his 2nd year, he has a good team supporting him and helping win games. 6-2 is an excellent record.

You are tring to set an expectation of a 2nd year QB to be a Hall of Famer or something. The guy obviously is a great talent and has won some huge games on his raw skill. Just because he isn't a superstar right not doesn't matter. If the Titans are 6-2 (not 0-8) and Young has struggled, the Titans are in a good position for making a playoff shot. Theoretically Young will get better with more and more game play.

Maybe you do not know this, but it takes a team to win a SB, a TEAM. This is easily demonstrated with recent events. Tom Brady was no superstar when he took over for Bledsoe. He was smart and didn't make mistakes. The TEAM came around him and supported him. Brady responded and led them to a championship. Take Brady or the team away and neither wins.

Trent Dilfer won a SB and was no great QB. His TEAM was great. Same with Brad Johnson.

Ben Rothlisburger has the worst SB QB rating in history, yet his team played well, supported him, and he did enough to win.

Do you need more? For some reason, Miami thinks if they find the next Marino then the will win the SB. This is a foolish idea. It takes a full team. While it is a comfort to have a Hall of Fame QB like Brady, there are other ways to win championships. It is a team game, and something you will never understand.S

So you ******, shut up.

The difference with Ben is that he carried his team to the superbowl, but they kinda carried him through it.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

ya i wont do that again. the guy is a complete homer/idiot.

We were arguing about Vince Young, how do you determine I'm a homer from that? You were the one defending a guy who averages 2 interceptions a game, as far as I'm concerned I won that debate.

As for PP, the guy says the same thing over and over and just wants to talk smack with opposing fans, have fun with that guy.

 

[SteelerSteve]

Anybody want to explain why they have a problem with Aqua other than the fact that he is a dolphins fan? he doesn't seem to be to much of a troll or anything, but it seems like his opinion just gets brushed aside.

 

[jman924]

Anybody want to explain why they have a problem with Aqua other than the fact that he is a dolphins fan? he doesn't seem to be to much of a troll or anything, but it seems like his opinion just gets brushed aside.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=36889

This will get you started. Take into account the dates, by the way.
He has had some other gems too. See if you can find his predictions about Wes Welker.

He also went back on a bet were the proceeds would have gone to a soup kitchen for the less fortunate. You know, all that classy stuff he gets all hot about all the time.

Everyone here has learned that when Aqwaaah says something, the oppisite comes true.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Anybody want to explain why they have a problem with Aqua other than the fact that he is a dolphins fan? he doesn't seem to be to much of a troll or anything, but it seems like his opinion just gets brushed aside.

I make bold statements and am EXTREMELY opionated. Other then that, not really. I have expressed a STRONG hate for the patriots and I disagree with Rodney Harrison's playing style, the recent allegations Belichick and the Pats are under, and other Patriots stuff.

Are you from Washington D.C or Washington state?

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=36889

This will get you started. Take into account the dates, by the way.
He has had some other gems too. See if you can find his predictions about Wes Welker.

Everyone here has learned that when Aqwaaah says something, the oppisite comes true.

That wasn't writen by me, another journalist wrote that.

Welker had 1 career TD prior to this year, not a crazy prediction if you ask me.

 

[jman924]

That wasn't writen by me, another journalist wrote that.

Welker had 1 career TD prior to this year, not a crazy prediction if you ask me.

Did you not see post 3...and so on and so on.