Why am i supposed to believe that Tony Dungy is a good person?

[Aqua4Ever04]

I don't understand why i am supposed to believe that he is a good guy.

Why is he a good guy?

I'll even throw out all the stuff that makes him look like a jerk.
there.
its gone.
now explain.

Why is he such a great guy? Just because he's religious?
A lot of people are religious.

I would say he is perceived as such a nice guy simply because of his demeanor. He's never a guy that raises his voice, shows extreme emotion or even comes off as a jerk for that matter. I don't know if you've seen it but in the Colts edition of America's Game, he describes the first meeting he had with his team after being hired by the Colts. The entire room was full of chatter when Dungy walked to the front of the room, Dungy just waited for it to quite down by simply patiently watching his new team. Once everyone realized who he was, they shut up and were all ears. Peyton Manning said it was the most impressive first impression he had ever had of any one.

So what I would tell you in conclusion is to just listen to what his peers say about him. None of his former coaches underneath him ever have anything besides the best to say about him.

 

[RobAllan]

The bottom line is there's no reason. The people who believe it can't even give a reason, they're just conditioned to believe it. Just like people who think Belichick is evil.

Some people just believe whatever the media feeds them. That's why society is such a disaster right now, in general.

 

[Ring 6]

I gave you a pretty concrete answer, read his book and you can make your own conclusions, it's a pretty open and honest story of a journey through his life and many of the events have taken place.

Nobody has to prove to you Dungys a good person. His walk and attitude have proved that over and over again, and the fact that some people will dig so hard to find anything to use against him proves this as well

I think you are missing the point here.
He isn't digging to find something against him, he is asking you to say why he is a great person. Just an example or 2 would suffice.

See, if you asked the question about Belichick, I could give a few reasons:

1) Jim Brown says Belichick has been in meetings with gang members and gone to prisons to counsel young people with him.
2) When the Panthers became a franchise, BB had a connection with an executive there, and bought season tickets to help them get the franchise off the ground.
3) When Scott Pioli was in college, he was driving to training camp. BB spotted him, started a conversation, and let him use his office to sleep in so he wouldn't have to drive.
4) Eric Mangini was a football player at BBs alma mater. BB saw potential in Mangini as a coach, and arranged for him to get his first job as an assistant at Wesleyan, then brought him to the NFL.

see off the top of my head there are 4 examples of BB being a good guy. I don't see any examples listed to explain why Dungy is.
Thats all Keegs is asking. If he is a great guy, please give us some examples of why he is.
Seems simple to me.
Saying 'read his book' is avoiding the question. If you have, and can give examples, you should do so.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

You should read his book, seriously. I think a lot of opinions on this board would sincerely be changed if people even took the time to read even a few chapters of his book

Ditto for those fans and mediots from elsewhere who rip BB without knowing a single thing about him beyond what they see on Sundays. I get a kick out of simpletons who think BB really is as simple as he appears. There's plenty of material out there...Patriot Reign, the Education of a Coach, not to mention what's available on the internet.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

The bottom line is there's no reason. The people who believe it can't even give a reason, they're just conditioned to believe it. Just like people who think Belichick is evil.

Some people just believe whatever the media feeds them. That's why society is such a disaster right now, in general.

I don't think that's a proper comparison, but we'll leave that out of this thread.

As for the media feeding us a bunch of BS, I couldn't agree more. ESPN is the biggest joke of all media outlets. It's also annoying that ESPN only talks about Sox/Yanks, Pats/Colts, and Kobe/Lakers.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

I 4) Eric Mangini was a football player at BBs alma mater. BB saw potential in Mangini as a coach, and arranged for him to get his first job as an assistant at Wesleyan, then brought him to the NFL.

Didn't he hire him as a ball boy at age 25 or something like that?

 

[Bo0MeR]

I would say he is perceived as such a nice guy simply because of his demeanor. He's never a guy that raises his voice, shows extreme emotion or even comes off as a jerk for that matter. I don't know if you've seen it but in the Colts edition of America's Game, he describes the first meeting he had with his team after being hired by the Colts. The entire room was full of chatter when Dungy walked to the front of the room, Dungy just waited for it to quite down by simply patiently watching his new team. Once everyone realized who he was, they shut up and were all ears. Peyton Manning said it was the most impressive first impression he had ever had of any one.

So what I would tell you in conclusion is to just listen to what his peers say about him. None of his former coaches underneath him ever have anything besides the best to say about him.

Thank you Aqua, but its not like this has already been repeated a MILLION times.

In a NFL world of drug dealers, accused murderers, cheaters, Drug Attics and abusers, in a sport that is based off of violence, yelling your *** off and embarassing yourself and players, gys making it rain in the club and beating up strippers, and winning at all costs, Dungy is simply himself. he has always been how he is now (since being a coach) so people cannot say he is a hypocrite, he is grounded in his faith and sticks by it and his beliefs at ALL times (including the death of his son) which is admirable no matter what religion you follow. he is in a position where many people including a entire race are looking up to him as a role model, and he has never given anyone real ammo to say hes not just that. he is soft spoken, he doesn't yell, he doesnt get hot headed, yet he makes his point just as well if not better than any coach in the league. He is heavy into the community and contrary to popular belief at this board he doesn't flaunt anything. He is the FIRST man to win a SB as a player and a coach, the first black coach to win a SB, and has one of the best win percentages of all time. he is a lock for the HOF, yet he carries himself incredibly humble for someone has influential as he is.

I challenge you all to find one player or coach who has ANYTHING bad to say about him?? Common I double dare you? now tell me how many other coaches can you say the same for in the NFL? he is a great role model and I hope to someday have the peace and calm that he says he has in his life right now, I hope to be a man who can put my faith first at all times, and I hope to be somebody that can be looked on the way he is.

Is that enough for you yet????

 

[JJDChE]

Claiming to know what someone is like based on their public persona is ridiculous. None of us know what any of these guys are really like when they're off the clock. Period. It's pointless to even discuss it.

 

[FrontSeven]

Maybe somebody should define what "good" is because that argument has never been settled.

Tony Dungy is "good" (if the term applies) because he doesn't make an ass of himself and shoot his mouth off, and he has the respect of the people that he manages. He has the respect of his peers. He shows a lot of leadership and qualities of that people respect and admire, and those are the people that are around him, not fans who are out to convince us that he's ************.

He's a freaking NFL coach. How "good" does he have to be?

Athletes shouldn't get into the business of being ************ but a lot of them seem to want to do that. Oh, I know, I know, they don't claim that, they only claim to be "furthering the cause", but even that is a pathetic thing to do with your high profile.

But to understand why they are driven to do that you have to understand the mind of the truly religious and pious. It's no place I want to hang out. It's not impressive to me. If the guy is respected by his players and peers, that impresses me. You don't get that by singing praises to the lordy.

 

[pheenix11]

You know what, I don't have anything against Dungy but I am sick and tired of the media shoving him down my throat. Just because of that I am sick of the guy and inclined to dislike him.

My experience is that whenever the media tells me how great a guy is, chances are he's probably an azzhole (LT is a perfect example).

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Thank you Aqua, but its not like this has already been repeated a MILLION times.

In a NFL world of drug dealers, accused murderers, cheaters, Drug Attics and abusers, in a sport that is based off of violence, yelling your *** off and embarassing yourself and players, winning at all costs, Dungy is simply himself. he has always been how he is now (since being a coach) so people cannot say he is a hypocrite, he is grounded in his faith and sticks by it and his beliefs at ALL times (including the death of his son) which is admirable no matter what religion you follow. he is in a position where many people including a entire race are looking up to him as a role model, and he has never given anyone real ammo to say hes not just that. he is soft spoken, he doesn't yell, he doesnt get hot headed, yet he makes his point just as well if not better than any coach in the league. He is heavy into the community and contrary to popular belief at this board he doesn't flaunt anything. He is the FIRST man to win a SB as a player and a coach, the first black coach to win a SB, and has one of the best win percentages of all time. he is a lock for the HOF, yet he carries himself incredibly humble for someone has influential as he is.

I challenge you all to find one player or coach who has ANYTHING bad to say about him?? Common I double dare you? now tell me how many other coaches can you say the same for in the NFL? he is a great role model and I hope to someday have the peace and calm that he says he has in his life right now, I hope to be a man who can put my faith first at all times, and I hope to be somebody that can be looked on the way he is.

Is that enough for you yet????

Yeah and while it has something to do with his religion, I don't think he wants people to consider him a good person just because of his religious beliefs. As you said, Dungy is true to himself, he doesn't put on a show for the media to blow him up into some super figure that some may want him to be. Despite how untraditional his methods are in (terms of the NFL's sake) he is what he is, a calm, cool nice guy.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Claiming to know what someone is like based on their public persona is ridiculous. None of us know what any of these guys are really like when they're off the clock. Period. It's pointless to even discuss it.

I agree, but I may be hypocritical in that sense because I'm guilty of judging celebs based off their look, appeal or whatever you want to call it.

But you're right, I'm not the same person when I talk with my friend's parents, in a school setting or anything that requires public appearance and I think that applies to everyone.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Keegs, I guess I can see a little bit of where you're coming from but this thread borders on evidence for other boards to prove we've gone off our rockers here at patsfans.com and have given up talking about football.

Ghandi, ah, I mean, Tony, Dungy is much nicer to the press while BB often comes off like a condescending prick - that much can't be argued. And that's probably where all this Dungy love starts and ends. OK?

 

[Bo0MeR]

Anybody notice how any topics about Dungy eventually turn into attacks on Christianity??? Already happened twice in a few hours. And the funniest thing is in my recent post about Dungy I didn't mention one thing about him being good because he was a christian

 

[drew4008]

Once a kid (or I should say adult) goes away to college, especially with their parents so far away (Indiana/Florida) that kid is officially on their own. They make their own decisions and their own choices.

You don't know what the person was going through to make them take their own lives, you probably couldn't imagine, so playing Dr Phil and making stupid comments like it must be the parenting is just plain DUMB. IDIOTIC even

That may be true, but I find it unlikely that the roots of such problems he had could arise only once he left home, such as being a racist. I won't make concrete comments on Dungy as a father, but I find it insulting that you are sticking up for his son.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Anybody notice how any topics about Dungy eventually turn into attacks on Christianity??? Already happened twice in a few hours. And the funniest thing is in my recent post about Dungy I didn't mention one thing about him being good because he was a christian

Personally, I can't stand the premise of the Christian religion. I think they're hypocritical, stubborn, and extremely vein. With that said, I don't generalize every Christian to be that type of person. I don't think religion is something that needs to be brought into it.

Being a good Christian doesn't necessarily make you a good person and visa versa.

 

[Bo0MeR]

That may be true, but I find it unlikely that the roots of such problems he had could arise only once he left home, such as being a racist. I won't make concrete comments on Dungy as a father, but I find it insulting that you are sticking up for his son.

So what does that make you, for attacking a dead teenager, someone who can't and never will be able to defend themselves. Atleast I can say I knew the person IN REAL LIFE, so I consider myself a little bit more qualified on the subject than you, okay a LOT MORE qualified to speak on it than you. But everyone's entitled to their own opinions, It just happens yours is misguided and ignorant

 

[Tommysgirl]

Anybody notice how any topics about Dungy eventually turn into attacks on Christianity??? Already happened twice in a few hours. And the funniest thing is in my recent post about Dungy I didn't mention one thing about him being good because he was a christian

Okay Boomer, You are not getting it. It's not the Christian thing.. Keegs is asking for examples of things he's done to make him such a great guy. You were given some examples of BB. Being the first black coach or being quiet doesn't qualify. And, honestly, do you not see the hypocrisy of writing a book about how wonderful you are?

 

[Ring 6]

Thank you Aqua, but its not like this has already been repeated a MILLION times.

In a NFL world of drug dealers, accused murderers, cheaters, Drug Attics and abusers, in a sport that is based off of violence, yelling your *** off and embarassing yourself and players, gys making it rain in the club and beating up strippers, and winning at all costs, Dungy is simply himself. he has always been how he is now (since being a coach) so people cannot say he is a hypocrite, he is grounded in his faith and sticks by it and his beliefs at ALL times (including the death of his son) which is admirable no matter what religion you follow. he is in a position where many people including a entire race are looking up to him as a role model, and he has never given anyone real ammo to say hes not just that. he is soft spoken, he doesn't yell, he doesnt get hot headed, yet he makes his point just as well if not better than any coach in the league. He is heavy into the community and contrary to popular belief at this board he doesn't flaunt anything. He is the FIRST man to win a SB as a player and a coach, the first black coach to win a SB, and has one of the best win percentages of all time. he is a lock for the HOF, yet he carries himself incredibly humble for someone has influential as he is.

I challenge you all to find one player or coach who has ANYTHING bad to say about him?? Common I double dare you? now tell me how many other coaches can you say the same for in the NFL? he is a great role model and I hope to someday have the peace and calm that he says he has in his life right now, I hope to be a man who can put my faith first at all times, and I hope to be somebody that can be looked on the way he is.

Is that enough for you yet????

You still havent answered the question.
You said he isnt a drug dealer. That makes him a great guy?
You said he doesnt yell. Are you implying people who raise their voice are bad people? Thats part of the point here. You arent a great guy because your demeanor is to be quiet.
You said he follows his beliefs. So does everyone. Are you saying his beliefs are better than mine?
Winning a SB as a reserve player and a coach, being the first black coach to win are irrelevant to the argument of is he a great guy.
I disagree that he doesnt 'flaunt it'. He goes out of the way to tell everyone what his beliefs are. If he has no agenda, why does he make that such an issue?

 

[drew4008]

How about this snippit from his MySpace:

Favorite Heroes: the D.C. Snipers, cause they let ya'll crackas kno tha ya'll aren't carzy race in the world, plus nobody would ever guess tha they were black (i thought they were white). Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers. oh yea say werd my *!#@^ Pac, and in case ya'll didn't kno he is alive and i've seen visual footage

Disgraceful.