Dungy's use of Manning during Blowouts

[mgcolby]

I am not trying to pile on to the "running up the score" debate. But this is something I researched out of curiosity and thought it might interest some of you.

I figured since the Colts are a team that has a relatively long history of scoring a lot of points I would look to see how many times Manning was pulled during a blowout and at what point. I also threw in some tidbits on throwing the ball late, kicking FG's etc..

Indy when they score 38 or more and up but 17+ in the past 3 seasons is my premise:

2006
Hou (43-24) Up 30 - 10 still throwing and Rhodes runs it in for a TD. Later up 37-17 Manning throws a 30 yard TD pass to make it 43-17 with 2:42 left. Sorgi never sees the field.

Phi (45-21) Manning takes the knee to end the game. Manning threw a TD pass with 3:38 to make it 38-21. Defense returns a TD final score 45-21. Sorgi never sees the field.

2005
StL (45-28) Manning still in the game up 38-20 with 9 minutes left. Throws a TD to go up 45-20 with 8 minutes left. Sorgi enters the game with 3:23 left

Hou (38-20) Manning still in the game with 7:29 up 38-20. Manning comes out in shotgun. They run out the clock with a long drive that included going for it on 4th and 1 with 1:17 left. Sorgi never sees the field.

NE (40-21) with 5:53 left the Colts go for the two point conversion, all class! NE goes three and out. Manning comes in with 5 minutes left. Sorgi never steps on the field. Doug Flutie comes in for Brady.

2004
Hou (49-14) Up 42-7 with 12 minutes left in the 4th quarter Manning comes out with 4 straight passes (gets picked off). Up 42-14 with 7:47 left Manning comes out for another series. Doesn't get another chance to come back in after this series.

Chi (41-10) with 12 minutes left Manning comes out and drives down to the 18 yard line of Chicago and goes for it on 4th and 1 with 4:52 left. Sorgi cleans up with 1:37 left.

Det (41-9) Sorgi enters the game with 1:15 left in the 3rd quarter.

Ten (51-24) Sorgi comes in with 9:53 left. Up 48-21 with just under 3 minutes Sorgi passes on 3rd and 11 from the Ten 19(incomplete). The Colts kick the FG with 2:43 left to make it 51-24.


Only twice has Sorgi come in with more than 8 minutes left in a blowout and that was in 2004. And in blowouts 17+ that didn't meet my criteria, he only came in twice, between 2004 and 2006, both times with less than 4 minutes to play. And so far in 2007 he has come in once (Sunday).

This year alone Brady has been pulled three times with 8 or more minutes left in the game.

 

[SoCalPatsfan90]

Interesting information.

 

[ColtinIraq]

Gee - I wonder why everyone in the country is only talking about Brady then.

 

[patsox23]

Gee - I wonder why everyone in the country is only talking about Brady then.

Because they're not aware of the stats that were just posted? What do you think of the EVIDENCE, Colt?

 

[mgcolby]

Gee - I wonder why everyone in the country is only talking about Brady then.

Huh??.......

 

[tombonneau]

And then there is the inverse ...

Last week, Manning left about 3/4 into the 3rd with the Colts only up 24-7.

To me, that is FAR more disrespectful to another team than keeping your QB in.

You're basically saying, yeah, we know we are only up by 17 with more than a quarter to play, but you guys are so awful we don't even need our starting QB at this point.

If I were a defensive player I'd be more pissed at that, because it shows the other team outright doesn't think you are good enough to win.

 

[Bo0MeR]

And then there is the inverse ...

Last week, Manning left about 3/4 into the 3rd with the Colts only up 24-7.

To me, that is FAR more disrespectful to another team than keeping your QB in.

You're basically saying, yeah, we know we are only up by 17 with more than a quarter to play, but you guys are so awful we don't even need our starting QB at this point.

If I were a defensive player I'd be more pissed at that, because it shows the other team outright doesn't think you are good enough to win.

When did Manning leave the game at all last week???????????

 

[Satchboogie3]

And then there is the inverse ...

Last week, Manning left about 3/4 into the 3rd with the Colts only up 24-7.

To me, that is FAR more disrespectful to another team than keeping your QB in.

You're basically saying, yeah, we know we are only up by 17 with more than a quarter to play, but you guys are so awful we don't even need our starting QB at this point.

If I were a defensive player I'd be more pissed at that, because it shows the other team outright doesn't think you are good enough to win.

Yea, thats wrong. Manning was in the game up to the Colts final drive in the 4th. Sorry.

 

[tombonneau]

Yea, thats wrong. Manning was in the game up to the Colts final drive in the 4th. Sorry.

Sorry my memory was slightly off.

Just checked NFL.com. He was pulled with 10 min to go in the 4th with Indy up only 17.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

I posted this in another thread-but just take it from a Dallas fan's perspective.

When we had Mike Irvin, Nate Newton, Leon Lett, et al getting into some pretty bad criminal activities, while it didn't "tarnish" our 3 Super Bowls, it nonetheless somehow made it into ALOT of discussions when they talked about teams who've won Super Bowls, who are dynasties, who are the best franchises in the NFL, etc.

So yeah-with all the negative talk about this that came from pretty much all media outlets b/c of this, it sure FELT like our Super Bowls got ********.

So like I said-don't sweat it-as time goes on, everyone will forget about it. Heck, even the Eagles, Giants, and Skins fans don't even talk about our players' criminal activities anymore.

 

[mgcolby]

I posted this in another thread-but just take it from a Dallas fan's perspective.

When we had Mike Irvin, Nate Newton, Leon Lett, et al getting into some pretty bad criminal activities, while it didn't "tarnish" our 3 Super Bowls, it nonetheless somehow made it into ALOT of discussions when they talked about teams who've won Super Bowls, who are dynasties, who are the best franchises in the NFL, etc.

So yeah-with all the negative talk about this that came from pretty much all media outlets b/c of this, it sure FELT like our Super Bowls got ********.

So like I said-don't sweat it-as time goes on, everyone will forget about it. Heck, even the Eagles, Giants, and Skins fans don't even talk about our players' criminal activities anymore.

Not sweating, I actually smile when I hear people whining about us "running up the score". :rocker: