Breaking News ESPNEWS: WILLIE MCGINEST TO BROWNS 3 years/$12 mil.

[pats1]

Im saying they are better with him than without him. If they were rebuilding, it would make sense. Since they are a contender, Im sure they could have signed him to a reasonable deal that both parties would be happy with.

That wasn't going to happen. What can't you understand about that?

 

[Pats67]

Im saying they are better with him than without him. If they were rebuilding, it would make sense. Since they are a contender, Im sure they could have signed him to a reasonable deal that both parties would be happy with.

Note the bold. Jacky's saying. Because he KNOWS. I really think we are better off casting our lot with Jacky than the guy with the five rings. Jacky will get us back to the bowl.

 

[Jacky Roberts]

Note the bold. Jacky's saying. Because he KNOWS. I really think we are better off casting our lot with Jacky than the guy with the five rings. Jacky will get us back to the bowl.

I think the Patriots should merely dress traffic cones in a Pats unis. At the right price, they can learn the "system".

 

[pats1]

And in a way, they are rebuilding. They were rebuilding in 2001. They were rebuilding in 2003. The Patriots have gained their respect from being able to costantly get younger and cheaper while still winning. That credit goes to the Krafts and all the way down through the organization.

I'm already excited with the prospect of next year. That will only get better with more signings and the draft. You made the reference to the Titans before. They're in a totally different situation. The Patriots already have a solid playoff roster with few holes, and to think we've just started into free agency and it's a month from the draft.

I don't understand why you become so jealous of the teams that have dried up their pens signing as many players possible at ridiculous prices. Sure, it's always exciting when your team makes such a move. But they're fairly pointless now. A few subtle moves here and there go much further than you think. This team is getting younger already from a relatively old 2004 team. (Phifer, Johnson, Traylor, Patten, Law, etc.)

 

[pats1]

I think the Patriots should merely dress traffic cones in a Pats unis. At the right price, they can learn the "system".

If you think that's what they essentially do, you're terribly mistaken. Yes, the system is the best in the league, but the people who chose the personnel to fill it are also the best.

The Patriots grow the tree, enjoy its fruits, and then set a value to it. If farmer Joe offers more, then they'll move on.

Troy and Patten gave way to Branch and Givens.

Andruzzi, Compton, and Woody gave way to Neal, Koppen, and Mankins.

Fauria, Rutledge, and Wiggins gave way to Graham and Watson

Hamilton, Pleasant, Washington, and others gave way to Seymour, Warren, and Wilfork.

..and the list goes on. The Patriots were the reason for Andruzzi, Woody, and many others getting the money they got compared to what the Pats got them for.

The same thing will inevitably happen to Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison, and others someday, regardless of how well they perform or how much of a locker room presence they are.

 

[Pats67]

I think the Patriots should merely dress traffic cones in a Pats unis. At the right price, they can learn the "system".

Again with the Borges-ism. Refuse to address the topic at hand because you are hopelessly in over your head, and instead start firing around these nonsensical rants, attempting to ascribe them to me. Nice try. Doesn't work any better than when Ron tries it.

Tell me, do you keep a scrapbook of his dumbest columns? Are the pages sticking together by now?

 

[Pats67]

And in a way, they are rebuilding. They were rebuilding in 2001. They were rebuilding in 2003. The Patriots have gained their respect from being able to costantly get younger and cheaper while still winning. That credit goes to the Krafts and all the way down through the organization.

I'm already excited with the prospect of next year. That will only get better with more signings and the draft. You made the reference to the Titans before. They're in a totally different situation. The Patriots already have a solid playoff roster with few holes, and to think we've just started into free agency and it's a month from the draft.

I don't understand why you become so jealous of the teams that have dried up their pens signing as many players possible at ridiculous prices. Sure, it's always exciting when your team makes such a move. But they're fairly pointless now. A few subtle moves here and there go much further than you think. This team is getting younger already from a relatively old 2004 team. (Phifer, Johnson, Traylor, Patten, Law, etc.)

Look at you P1, still trying to make sense to this jarhead. You're TOO GOOD of a guy. You deserve better than this.

Anyway, Jacky, what have you learned tonight? Nothing? I didn't think so.

One thing you should have learned is that you can't stay with the people on this board. You just don't have the capacity.

 

[Christopher_Price]

First quotes from McGinest's press conference earlier this evening:

http://www.patsfans.com/price/blog/?q=node/264

We'll update it as the night goes along.

Thanks,
Chris

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Just quiet down and drink the Kool-Aid, will ya please?

 

[DaBruinz]

Do you honestly think they planned to lose all these players while signing no one?

Like every year, I believe that the Patriots set a price that they are willing to pay to keep certain players. If that player is willing to meet that price, then they get re-signed. If that player ISN'T willing to meet that price, then they go else where. So, I would say that YES, the Patriots definitely planned on the possibility of losing McGinest and Givens in free agency.

BTW, The Patriots have signed a few people. Including Bam Childress and Artrell Hawkins.

 

[Pats67]

Just quiet down and drink the Kool-Aid, will ya please?

So, Armen, is it your position that Jacky is just a courageous and sharply intuitive guy who is just too brave and smart to blindly accept every move like the rest of us sheep? Is that what you're saying?

 

[DaBruinz]

Doesn't that describe McGinest to perfection? This team can win another Bowl this year. Without guys like him, I"m not sure anymore.

No, actually, McGinest has a big name through-out the league. Especially as a former Pro-Bowler.

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

Yup, this thread did it for me. Jacky is Tony Collins. You just knew he couldn't stay away.

Think about it. He posts in a very well written, articulate manner, yet what he actually says is beyond normal stupidity. Most stupid people are far from articulate. Therefore one can only come to the conclusion that what we're witnessing is not actual stupidity, but rather a game. Just like Tony Collins used to get all wet in the panties when he would whip Patriots fans around here into a frenzy.

Yawn. Hey Jacky...

Now queue the normal "I've been a season ticket holder since..." and "I've never been on this board under a different name..." diatribe in 3.....2....1....

 

[DaBruinz]

Mario Lawson or Mark Anderson have ZERO experience. How can you honestly say that?

First off, Its Manny Lawson , not Mario Lawson. And how are they going to get expereince unless they play? Did you not see HOBBS get better as the year went on as he got playing time?

Give me a friggin break.

You are a bandwagon fan. You got on in 1993 when Parcells showed up and have an extreme rudimentary view of football. You haven't bothered to learn the nuts and bolts as presented by Belichick and the Patriots.

 

[DaBruinz]

Im saying they are better with him than without him. If they were rebuilding, it would make sense. Since they are a contender, Im sure they could have signed him to a reasonable deal that both parties would be happy with.

Really? So the months of attempting to negotiate with Willie and not coming to a conclusion tells you this? That they'd could have signed him to a reasonable deal that would make both parties happy?

As I said Jacky, the Patriots are in a transition phase. And I don't mean rebuilding. I mean changing. Yes, they are rebuilding, somewhat because of all the injuries they suffered last year. But they are also going to be bringing in new players to replace the ones that we have grown fond of.

 

[shirtsleeve]

I felt no pain when Drew Bledsoe left.
I felt no pain when Damien Woody left.
I felt no pain when Ted Washington left.
I felt no pain when Lawyer Milloy left.
I felt no pain when Ty Law left.
Bobby Hamilton, Antowain Smith, Marc Edwards, David Patton, Jermaine Wiggins, Otis Smith, Tebucky Jones and several other integral parts of one or more of our Super Bowl winning teams all left and I felt no pain.

But this is different. This one hurts, emotionally.

Now before you jump on me, let me point that I am now, and have always been, squarely in the middle of the "in BB I trust" camp. I still am. I believe BB and SP have a plan and that by the time next January roles around, we all, including the doomsayers so prevalent here today, will be again bowing at the alter of the amazing Belichick and his right-hand man, Scott Pioli.

I'm just sad to see Willie go.

Exactly how I feel. The team will be fine. Everything will work out. Expect some late shoring up in the free agency period and one of BBSP's best drafts.
Probably a surprise name or two that the whiners will like to see.

But this just personally sux. Kraft's first draft choice. Cornerstone of the organization since '94. It may fall into the "its gotta happen sometime" catagory, but its still sad when the time comes.

 

[SVN]

As I said Jacky, the Patriots are in a transition phase. And I don't mean rebuilding. I mean changing. Yes, they are rebuilding, somewhat because of all the injuries they suffered last year. But they are also going to be bringing in new players to replace the ones that we have grown fond of.

Exactly my thought. i think BB feels, that this team can achieve only so much and is trying to get younger via the draft even if it causes some growing pains.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I'm just bummed out about this. One of the smartest players to ever wear a Pat's uniform. I'm sorta glad he ended up in Cleveland with Crennel though. I hope that makes the transision a little easier for him.

Good luck Willie. I will always remember the your hard work here in NE.

 

[CrazyDave]

Holy Crap. This thread had 3 pages when I was here last. I just read 13 pages of that moron. My head hurts now. Wow, i need a beer. i think my favorite part was when he said something about having bad off-seasons or something. Guess that's why we never won the "off season trophy" LOL
Too funny.

 

[Jacky Roberts]

As I said Jacky, the Patriots are in a transition phase. And I don't mean rebuilding. I mean changing. Yes, they are rebuilding, somewhat because of all the injuries they suffered last year. But they are also going to be bringing in new players to replace the ones that we have grown fond of.

I hope so, man. I'm not ready for this ride to end and when it does end, I definitely dont want to see it happen by the Pats own doing. Keepin' the faith, but they better do something positive soon.