What will Moss cost next year?

[nowayback]

moss and stallworth have been around...they know the good and bad. so far they are really enjoying the good of being with the pats. if they get a reasonable offer they will stay. maybe if donte is offerd like like 3-5 more per year and long contract to be no. 1 at other team he might go.
esp if we win SB they will stay more likely.

seems hard to sign samuel also....but maybe there wont be such a big offfer for him like before from other teams.

 

[D-cleater]

Ofcourse we'd love to see Moss, Stallworth and Samuels get new contracts , but I think there is a lot of wishfull thinking in this thread. If anyone thinks Moss is going to take a discount to stay with the Pats, *especially* if we are lucky enough to see the Pats win the SB, I think they are sadly mistaken. Same goes for Stallworth and ofcourse we know where Samuel's priorities lie. I only see the value of these three players increasing substantially after this season.

Maybe Moss or Stallworth get the franchise tag next year. We can always hope, but I think thats the best we can expect.

 

[emoney_33]

Ofcourse we'd love to see Moss, Stallworth and Samuels get new contracts , but I think there is a lot of wishfull thinking in this thread. If anyone thinks Moss is going to take a discount to stay with the Pats, *especially* if we are lucky enough to see the Pats win the SB, I think they are sadly mistaken. Same goes for Stallworth and ofcourse we know where Samuel's priorities lie. I only see the value of these three players increasing substantially after this season.

Maybe Moss or Stallworth get the franchise tag next year. We can always hope, but I think thats the best we can expect.

I don't. I trully believe Moss wants to be here and will take a little discount to stay. I'm hopeful on Stallworth but pretty much know Samuel is gone next year.

Moss and Stallworth know what it is like to lose, know what it's like to be elsewhere. Samuel is from the newer generation that is a bit spoiled. He doesn't know what it's like to be on a real loser and doesn't know what it's like to be on a team that isn't run as well as the pats. He will shoot for the stars like others have done and sign with whoever offers the most money.

 

[14thDragon]

It depends, he might stick around if the Krafts agree to let him have a prime location at Patriots Place food court to open a new Inta Juice. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2499476

Life after football stuff gets to be important after you hit your 30s.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Stallworth is already signed long term. It's just a matter of whether we want to pay him $6M per going forward. If Moss left that would be a slam dunk. It was Deion's money. If Moss stays that deal could be tweeked to be more favorable in the short term. Washington is also signed long term with a $5.7M cap hit next season. Cut him (or drastically alter the terms of his deal) and you have 75% of Randy's 2008 money already accounted for in the budget.

We are currently $6M under the cap and that money will be available to roll forward onto the 2008 cap. We are currently under the 2008 cap by several million with 41 players signed (including Stallworth and Washington/most of Randy). Brady's deal can be simple restructured to add another $3M in cap space. Colvin will likely be extended lowering his cap by $3M or so. We should have at least $20M in cap space with which to maneuver a few million more for Randy and an average $6M per deal if Asante has come down off his pedestal.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

4 yrs/36 million, $12 million dollar bonus.

 

[Danish PATS Fan]

4 yrs/36 million, $12 million dollar bonus.

That sounds realistic in my ears those numbers !

As long as PATS keep getting to Superbowls in the future, then he will be willing to stay for a looooong time.
But ofcourse he is the best buy in many years, so his payment will raise higher and higher.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Don't think for one second the Colts wouldn't make a push for Moss and at least raise the price because they have a ton of cap space, they have a QB that Moss could put up big numbers with, and they would love to either make the Pats worse by ripping Moss from them or make the Pats spend more than they want to. The Pats should try to get this deal done before the end of the season.

 

[patchick]

If anyone thinks Moss is going to take a discount to stay with the Pats, *especially* if we are lucky enough to see the Pats win the SB, I think they are sadly mistaken. Same goes for Stallworth and ofcourse we know where Samuel's priorities lie. I only see the value of these three players increasing substantially after this season.

Gotta disagree. Samuel and Moss are completely opposite cases. Samuel was a day-2 draft pick who has been on terrific teams, owns a couple of rings, and now is looking for the big deal that will make him filthy rich.

Moss has already hit his jackpot -- his last contract with the Vikings included an $18 million signing bonus and rich salaries besides. Meanwhile he's never been to the Superbowl and has languished in misery on some lousy teams. He's happy and appreciated here, and he doesn't take that for granted.

And another difference -- the marketplace. Almost any team in the league would be willing to offer a reasonably rich deal to Samuel. But many teams won't want Moss, because they know that they can't offer anything like the situation that he's flourished in here.

So yes, I do think Moss will re-sign with the Patriots, for a substantial but not gargantuan sum.

 

[everlong]

And another difference -- the marketplace. Almost any team in the league would be willing to offer a reasonably rich deal to Samuel. But many teams won't want Moss, because they know that they can't offer anything like the situation that he's flourished in here.

While I agree with the suitors being less for Moss it only takes one team to come over the top with the right team situation and he's gone. Green Bay immediately comes to mind especially after whiffing on him this off season. Lets say the Packers loose in the NFC Championship game or SB. They could be very motivated to make one last push with Fave which would be the right team situation for Moss.

If GB is offering $5M more guaranteed and $2M more per season he's going to bail.

 

[Amnorix]

Moss is worth every dime we wouldn't give Branch (rightly so) and more.

Branch is a very good, solid, dependable player.

Moss is a ridiculous freak of nature who bends the defense to him, opening up everything else for everyone else, and breaks them.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Not less than $8 mil to keep him here.

4 yrs/36 million, $12 million dollar bonus.

I'm thinking along these lines. With the way the cap has gone up there is no way that anything less than 8M should get it done.

If Moss wants to be in NE he can take a 4 year, 32-36M deal and not feel slighted. If he just wants money he can find more. Some teams will be scared off since he only behaved in NE, but their are enough teams out there who'll convince themselves that they can keep Moss happy.

 

[patchick]

While I agree with the suitors being less for Moss it only takes one team to come over the top with the right team situation and he's gone.

Yeah, fair point. The earlier suggestion of the Colts is intriguing/scary, although they have a ton of money already allocated to receivers for 2008. I believe Harrison accounts for about $11 million next year ($7.6 mil salary), Wayne $8 million, Gonzalez $1.5 million -- and Dallas Clark has a voidable year on a contract that has been mighty cheap up to this point. Moss would have to come in as a replacement for Harrison, who is 5 years older.

Green Bay immediately comes to mind especially after whiffing on him this off season. Lets say the Packers loose in the NFC Championship game or SB. They could be very motivated to make one last push with Fave which would be the right team situation for Moss.

If GB is offering $5M more guaranteed and $2M more per season he's going to bail.

I'm not so sure about Green Bay. The offseason rumors were murky, but didn't Moss decline to restructure his contract for the Packers? Still, I suppose it's possible.

Who else has the QB to tempt Randy? Carson Palmer is terrific, but no way would he want to dive into the mess that is the Bengals organization. Dallas, to team up with good buddy Owens? Pittsburgh isn't known for opening its wallets to free agents. It's true that it only takes one attractive offer, but there aren't a ton of options.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

One thing that may or may not play a factor is the fact that Moss has played in two other cities. He has seen how other teams do things and he has seen how the Patriots do things. He realizes how good it is here(I hope). Guys like Damien Woody, Deion Branch, David Givens, Lawyer Milloy, and others probably didn't think it would be so much different elsewhere. Not just the winning aspect, but the way the team gets along with each other, the way the fanbase worships this team, the way they are always in "big games" getting hyped up, etc... It's not like this everywhere. Even other teams that win(The Colts) don't seem to get the attention we always get. We are the show. In that respect, we are a lot similar to the 90's Bulls, Yankees, and early 90's Cowboys. I dunno, but I for one would love to be a part. Going from the Patriots to some other team would be like Tom Brady going from Giselle to ummm........a girl like Bridget, LOL! A huge downgrade.

 

[mgteich]

I see no reason not to be paying $14M-$15M a year to Moss and Stallworth.

We can all decide here that Moss SHOULD be grateful and beg to play with Brady for $5M a year or so. If the FO takes that attitude, he'll be playing for Indy or San Diego or Pittsburgh.

BTW, the one sure thing in MY mind is that Stallworth is staying. We have Stallworth and Welker locked up long term, and we'll keep it that way. As others have said signing Moss will require cutting Washington and a minor Brady restructure, and Moss wanting to stay.

 

[solman]

Don't think for one second the Colts wouldn't make a push for Moss and at least raise the price because they have a ton of cap space, they have a QB that Moss could put up big numbers with, and they would love to either make the Pats worse by ripping Moss from them or make the Pats spend more than they want to. The Pats should try to get this deal done before the end of the season.

The Colts won't make a push for Moss. They don't want Moss.

The Colts don't have substantial cap space. The space they have available this year is mostly the result of pushing cap hits into future years.

The Pats won't get the deal done before the end of the season.

After the season they'll make Moss a $30-40M offer for 5-6 years. Randy will be able to get $10M-$15M more elsewhere, but he'll seriously consider the offer.

I don't think its a sure thing that he will take it, but I think its more likely than not. Randy cares about football, and he's smart enough to know that 5-6 more years with Tom Brady is the best possible situation for him.

If he doesn't sign a deal, its entirely possible that we'll franchise him.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

While I agree with the suitors being less for Moss it only takes one team to come over the top with the right team situation and he's gone. Green Bay immediately comes to mind especially after whiffing on him this off season. Lets say the Packers loose in the NFC Championship game or SB. They could be very motivated to make one last push with Fave which would be the right team situation for Moss.

If GB is offering $5M more guaranteed and $2M more per season he's going to bail.

I think solman covered Indy - they have plenty of issues of their own making yet to deal with and a lot of players up in 2008 and 2009. It's not just about cap either, it's cash for bonus money - for all of them.

Randy has a memory like an elephant where those who disrespected him are concerned. GB was the team who wouldn't move off a 6th even with Favre throwing bouquets at Randy and grenades at his own FO. And after playing on this team I think Randy is more enamored with legacy going forward. The odds of any NFC team winning a SB in the forseable future are slim to none. He's back on track for a HOF nod with the "difficult" period in his career relegated to footnote status.

And as dramatic an upgrade as he is here, he has in fact lost a step which he and Brady are more than capable of accounting for with savvy and smarts. He's not the same Moss who could carry any strong armed QB on his back. Brady is an excellent fit for him, just as he is for Brady because he's not just about speed.

 

[solman]

I'm thinking along these lines. With the way the cap has gone up there is no way that anything less than 8M should get it done.

Last year the Franchise tag was under $8M. I don't see the Patriots offering a long term package for more money than the franchise tag. I think that $8M/year is an upper bound, with $7M/year being more like it (plus substantial guarantees).

Certainly he'll be offered more, but I think he'll take the lesser money that NE offers.

Remember, he WILL lose a step by the time he is 35 or 36.

 

[workhorse]

Last year the Franchise tag was under $8M. I don't see the Patriots offering a long term package for more money than the franchise tag. I think that $8M/year is an upper bound, with $7M/year being more like it (plus substantial guarantees).

Certainly he'll be offered more, but I think he'll take the lesser money that NE offers.

Remember, he WILL lose a step by the time he is 35 or 36.

The franchise for WR is only $8 million?


Any chance the Vikings make a run at him? They have a different owner and management from his last go round right? They seem to have one of the best running backs of the future and likely want to open the field for him with a deep threat.

 

[workhorse]

The Colts won't make a push for Moss. They don't want Moss.

The Colts don't have substantial cap space. The space they have available this year is mostly the result of pushing cap hits into future years.

The Pats won't get the deal done before the end of the season.

After the season they'll make Moss a $30-40M offer for 5-6 years. Randy will be able to get $10M-$15M more elsewhere, but he'll seriously consider the offer.

I don't think its a sure thing that he will take it, but I think its more likely than not. Randy cares about football, and he's smart enough to know that 5-6 more years with Tom Brady is the best possible situation for him.

If he doesn't sign a deal, its entirely possible that we'll franchise him.

I don't see Indy making a run at him. They would have tried to get into the trade mix in the off season if that was the case. Marvin hasn't showed any signs of slowing downn and they drafted Gonzalez to take his place once he does. Plus they Colts need to resign Dallas and Sanders too.