No surprise: Tomase reaches for the negative

[godef]

Re: No surprise:Tomase reaches for the negative

Why do you guys continue to subject yourselves to the crap that comes from the Herald? I have not clicked on any articles from that pathetic newspaper all year, and I won't start now.
The defense had an off day. It happens. The last time I checked they are human beings. But this is the second game in a row that they have looked shakey. I think that teams have adjusted to how we are playing without Seymour. It certainly looked like his boys missed him yesterday.

And hey, give the opponent some credit. Both Cleveland and Dallas have put up some points this year.

 

[Metaphors]

** Uh, call me crazy but I don't see much hope for Pats opponents in those numbers. Was it a "dominating" defensive performance? Obviously not. However, the Cowboys offense struggled mightily yesterday, particularly in the passing game. They were effective running that ball at times but that's largely a function of the Patriots game plan yesterday. A game plan that seems to be a blueprint for how they'd attack the Colts, by the way.

You hit on an often overlooked point. I don't believe it is an accident that the Patriots have scored 34+ points in every game. They could have won all of them scoring fewer. The effect it creates is felt even before kickoff. Teams go into the game "knowing" they have to score 34+ points to win. This "knowledge" is enough to affect a team's gameplan, trying to do too much or go away from the things you do best.

I do agree that the Colts' veterans on offense will be less impacted by the Pats' offensive success than any other team. That game will be a true test for the Pats...not the overhyped, undisciplined, schizophrenic, "chicks dig the long ball", attention-starved Cowboys.

 

[shakadave]

Tomase's article is a perfect expression of how I feel about this season, and about how I reacted to seeing yesterday's game. As PsychoPat says, the stats don't look too bad for our defense, but watching the Cowboys in the 2nd quarter marching down the field with not even a hint of being stopped, made me worry: What will it be like vs. Indy? Hopefully we can beat Indy 36-31.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Re: No surprise:Tomase reaches for the negative

And hey, give the opponent some credit. Both Cleveland and Dallas have put up some points this year.

Like the number 2 and 3 offenses (points per game) in the league....

 

[everlong]

Dallas came into the game as the second highest scoring team in the league after the Pats. I'll take 20 points given up at their house, 7 points being on the offense, knowing our offense is going to put up more than that 99% of the time.

Also there's zero correlation between Dallas putting twenty on us and what Indy will do, good or bad. They are completely different teams and offenses who have very little in common. TO\Crayton\Whitten couldn't be much different than Wayne\Harrision\Clark.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

You hit on an often overlooked point. I don't believe it is an accident that the Patriots have scored 34+ points in every game. They could have won all of them scoring fewer. The effect it creates is felt even before kickoff. Teams go into the game "knowing" they have to score 34+ points to win. This "knowledge" is enough to affect a team's gameplan, trying to do too much or go away from the things you do best.

I do agree that the Colts' veterans on offense will be less impacted by the Pats' offensive success than any other team. That game will be a true test for the Pats...not the overhyped, undisciplined, schizophrenic, "chicks dig the long ball", attention-starved Cowboys.

Great line describing the Cowboys!
Gets you off the Practice Squad and onto the 53!

 

[Pats726]

Wimps complaining about the 'negative' article must hate BB then. He always searches for deficiencies and areas requiring improvement. Brady and the whole team does too. I saw the article as raising possible weaknesses that might be exploited by a world class O like Indy has.

Maybe folks are just pissed that once again Tomase nailed it first with the report that Maroney once again would miss the game.

Firstly...BB is coach of the Patriots...that is his job to point out the weaknesses...Tomase is a writer...and at times pretty good, but at other times just a negativist that is closer to Felger or Borges...If that is the style of writing you like, then you must be quite happy with the situation with the Herald and the Globe...
If this had been written a day or two after the game, to me, it would have been a good analytical piece..although a tad unfair.
But how fair is it to be so negative after a big win? If you wish your writers to look negatively at the team always, then that is OK...and..as I said, a few days after would have been fine. If that is all Tomase takes home with him after that win, then I would question what he's been watching...no positives..just negatives and with a Colt spin on it all as well. Tomase rumpswabs can have him..he sometimes writes very well and makes good points..but too much he is like Felger and Borges....and hey if that is your cup of tea..enjoy!!
But how fair was that piece on the D? Not one word at all about AD's injury and how that had an effect on the D..not a word...fair??

 

[Pats726]

Re: No surprise:Tomase reaches for the negative

Hadn't the Cowpokes been the highest-scoring team in the NFL?
(If not quite, then close.)

Patriots' D held them to 2 TDs and 2 FGs.
Less than 100 yds rushing ... less than 200 passing.
What's so bad about that?

Tomase doesn't really care about poiting out the positives in what the D did...OR for the fact that AD was playing probably 70% ot so..not nearly near 100%..and to think that THAT fact did NOT at all change the way the D played?? That did not at all matter....as a 2nd day story, it would have been appreciated more..as a day after a win,. it seems like a bad apple in a bunch. poor timing.

 

[DaBruinz]

Not saying he's completely wrong, but a little over the top.....


IRVING, Texas - The Cowboys are supposed to be good and the Patriots [team stats] crushed them. Virtually every rival that watched yesterday’s 48-27 demolition can be found hiding under the nearest desk this morning. Except one. For Tom Moore and the Colts, the game provided hope.



http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1038137

I think Tomase needs to get his head out of his arse.. Of course the Pats NICKLE package is going to get pushed around on RUNNING plays. The nickle package is designed to stop passing plays.. not running plays..

 

[DaBruinz]

Wimps complaining about the 'negative' article must hate BB then. He always searches for deficiencies and areas requiring improvement. Brady and the whole team does too. I saw the article as raising possible weaknesses that might be exploited by a world class O like Indy has.

Maybe folks are just pissed that once again Tomase nailed it first with the report that Maroney once again would miss the game.

There were definitely deficiencies yesterday. I was perturbed that Harrison didn't get his hands up on Romo's pass to TO for the TD. Harrison could have made the play if his hands were up...

Wilson missed a couple of tackles..
The kick-off coverage was good, but for one play...

I also think that while all the moving around helped the Pats, a couple of times, Romo timed the snaps so that he caught them flat-footed and not in the position they wanted to be in.

 

[patsox23]

I don't understand the pouting whenever anyone writes something that is not overtly positive about the Patriots. There are plenty of articles today about how great they are (well deserved I might add) but it comes down to the Colts. I have been thinking about beating the Colts ever since the AFC championship. Thomase is just racing ahead and adding his comments on the real "game of the year".

The defense may have let its guard down a little bit once the team got an early cushion but against Indy there won't be false starts, holding penalties or dropped balls. Their offense is excellent and ruthless, look what they did to their ex-buddy Jason David. The Pats defense has speed issues at LB and Safety, no big surprise. The Colts know this and so do other teams, it will be up to the Patriots to prevent unfavorable matchups.

It figures to be a NBA All-Star game when they meet on November 4th. If the Pats defense (or the Colts defense) can come up with 3-4 stops in may be all they need.

It is not bad news that the Pats win and have areas of improvement in all 3 areas.

I agree. I enjoyed the article for a refreshing perspective. It gives you something to think about beyond the general cheerleading. It's not like it says the Pats are BAD. People need to calm down.

And FWIW, I think the Herald blows the DOORS off the Globe in terms of coverage. Reiss can only do so much.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re:NFL Rules unbalanced

Tomase is a typical Red Sox baseball writer that always finds something to complain about.

The entire philosophy of BB's Defenses is to prevent the big play and keep everything in front of them. His Defenses are "sound". No cheap scores are meant to be yielded without completing a string of plays. That means they are PURPOSELY susceptible to short passes over the middle.

The BB premise is that you cannot do that successfully enough over a course of the game to score often. The Colts proved otherwise, in one half of play in the AFCCG, when the Pats ran out of players, and others players were gassed with the effects of the flu.

But BB believes in not getting mad, but getting even... and getting equal. He went out to improve his Offense enough that his Defensive philosophy still applies, but is relaxed in the number of scores it can yield to a team, and still remain successful.

The Rules in the NFL have become so lopsided that Offenses now have an enormous advantage over the Defense. Polian is responsible for a lot of that. But BB didn't complain. He merely went out and created an equally awesome Offense to add to his superior Defense. Then he trusted that getting a few new Defensive players and getting back the ones unavailable last year's AFCCG would be enough.

Belichick has now created a Juggernaut. Blitzkrieg is back!

But this offensive bias needs to be rebalanced. it is not just the Colts and Pats. Many average QBs are putting up heretofore unmatched stats. The potential 99 yard penalty of the PI needs revision into egregious spot fouls and incidental 5 yards and a FD calls. The no contact Rule needs revision and expansion to perhaps ten yards. up from five yards. The Shanahan blocking for the Offensive line that has destroyed so many careers by chop blocks, to D linemen, needs a revision.

Then the NFL will get back to a balanced case of Offense versus Defense.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Wimps complaining about the 'negative' article must hate BB then. He always searches for deficiencies and areas requiring improvement. Brady and the whole team does too. I saw the article as raising possible weaknesses that might be exploited by a world class O like Indy has.

Maybe folks are just pissed that once again Tomase nailed it first with the report that Maroney once again would miss the game.

Does it ever get a little rank with Tomase's balls in your face all day?

 

[jaytyme]

Tomase's article is a perfect expression of how I feel about this season, and about how I reacted to seeing yesterday's game. As PsychoPat says, the stats don't look too bad for our defense, but watching the Cowboys in the 2nd quarter marching down the field with not even a hint of being stopped, made me worry: What will it be like vs. Indy? Hopefully we can beat Indy 36-31.

thankfully, its not time to worry about Indy yet.

We did what we planned to do. we contained romo and tried to make him outgun brady. were it not for the strip-sack TD return, would tomase have written this article. No. we would never have been behind in the second half which is what got his stained panties in a wad in the first place.

What we lacked on D yesterday, (6.5/rush and slow developing receptions over the middle) can be corrected with the return of seymour. his return will do the following:

1.) create more push and less time for opposing QB's
2.) shore up the run D
3.) occupy a TE or RB to double Seymour (not necessary for Green)
4.) allow us to rotate 4 starting caliber linemen (fresher)

 

[Pats726]

No. we would never have been behind in the second half which is what got his stained panties in a wad in the first place.

What we lacked on D yesterday, (6.5/rush and slow developing receptions over the middle) can be corrected with the return of seymour. his return will do the following:

1.) create more push and less time for opposing QB's
2.) shore up the run D
3.) occupy a TE or RB to double Seymour (not necessary for Green)
4.) allow us to rotate 4 starting caliber linemen (fresher)

Very true...although any of the positives of what the D did were overlooked..(Am I surprised??) But you are correct about what Sey will do..
There are some problems on the D..(as with all the three teams...offense and ST as well..) But of course..he didn't mention the injury to AD..and his probably playing with only 75% of his ability. I think a mention of that might have balanced the article as well...(No surprise it was not..) They will take care of it all...

 

[ALP]

yea rit, i think the colts are even more scared of us now...i mean really...48 points...LOL

and yea our defense gave up...but that does not inlcude seymour sacking the lights out of manning, b/c he will face a rookie tackle, LOL, still a match up i cant wait to see...
and they will need extra protection, which means that less ppl out...

the colts wont be able to run on us, cuz that is wut we will take out of their game, and this season their offense is based much more on that...put hobbs on a slow harrison and samuel on wayne, and rodney/adalius on clark, and gay on gonzalez, and u have favorable matchups all over the place for the pats...

i just dont see the colts offense as such a force against us this year...

 

[shakadave]

Re: NFL Rules unbalanced

Tomase is a typical Red Sox baseball writer that always finds something to complain about.

The entire philosophy of BB's Defenses is to prevent the big play and keep everything in front of them. His Defenses are "sound". No cheap scores are meant to be yielded without completing a string of plays. That means they are PURPOSELY susceptible to short passes over the middle.

The BB premise is that you cannot do that successfully enough over a course of the game to score often. The Colts proved otherwise, in one half of play in the AFCCG, when the Pats ran out of players, and others players were gassed with the effects of the flu.

But BB believes in not getting mad, but getting even... and getting equal. He went out to improve his Offense enough that his Defensive philosophy still applies, but is relaxed in the number of scores it can yield to a team, and still remain successful.

The Rules in the NFL have become so lopsided that Offenses now have an enormous advantage over the Defense. Polian is responsible for a lot of that. But BB didn't complain. He merely went out and created an equally awesome Offense to add to his superior Defense. Then he trusted that getting a few new Defensive players and getting back the ones unavailable last year's AFCCG would be enough.

Belichick has now created a Juggernaut. Blitzkrieg is back!

But this offensive bias needs to be rebalanced. it is not just the Colts and Pats. Many average QBs are putting up heretofore unmatched stats. The potential 99 yard penalty of the PI needs revision into egregious spot fouls and incidental 5 yards and a FD calls. The no contact Rule needs revision and expansion to perhaps ten yards. up from five yards. The Shanahan blocking for the Offensive line that has destroyed so many careers by chop blocks, to D linemen, needs a revision.

Then the NFL will get back to a balanced case of Offense versus Defense.

Holy crap! The more I read, the more I believed. This 5-star post rings so true that it just made my day. AzPats has seen the light.