The last TD

[Krugman]

If the Cowboys dont want them to score,stop 'em.Simple enough.

 

[Two Eight]

I think it's the ONLY sportsmanlike playcall in that situation. The point is to call the play that has the best opportunity to run time off the clock and end the game, whether or not they score or turn the ball over on downs is immaterial to the play calling, naturally the players on the field will try to score everytime they touch the ball and you wouldn't want it, or coach it, any other way.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Eckel is a Navy kid and reportedly has been working his butt off in practise. Those who know BB know the Navy connection. He rewarded the kid at the same time using the correct end game strategy. It's up to the Cows girly mon on D to stop the run.

 

[questionman]

Don't say teams have done it, show me. When has a team taken a knee on FOURTH DOWN for a turnover? WHEN????

I don't know the exact games, I don't keep a log. But I have seen it a couple times when the game was well in hand.

 

[SoCalPatsfan90]

If anyone still has access on the dallas forum.. I'd like someone to post this. Everyone keeps saying that NE ran the score up because NE took a timeout after the 2min warning. here is the play by play from fox sports..

Patriots ball, 03:45
1st-10-Dal20 Rush Kevin Faulk Off Right Tackle to Dal18 for 2 yards
2nd-8-Dal18 Pass Tom Brady Pass to Wes Welker to Dal20 for -2 yards
3rd-10-Dal20 Time Out New England Patriots timeout.
3rd-10-Dal20 Pass Tom Brady Pass to Wes Welker to Dal9 for 11 yards
1st-9-Dal9 Two Minute Warning Two-Minute Warning
1st-9-Dal9 Rush Kevin Faulk Off Right Tackle to Dal6 for 3 yards
2nd-6-Dal6 Time Out Dallas Cowboys timeout.
2nd-6-Dal6 Rush Kyle Eckel up the Middle to Dal5 for 1 yard
3rd-5-Dal5 Rush Kyle Eckel Off Left Tackle to Dal1 for 4 yards
4th-1-Dal1 Rush Kyle Eckel Off Right Tackle for 1 yard for a TOUCHDOWN
Made Extra Point Stephen Gostkowski extra point is GOOD. Holder-Chris Hanson
NE 48 Dal 27, Plays: 7 Yards: 20 Possession: 3:26

 

[SoCalPatsfan90]

This is dallas' fault that we couldn't kneel it out like we normally do. NE didn't take a single time out and were clearly trying to run the clock out and would have successfully had WP not taken their 3rd timeout after the 2min warning.

 

[PatsFanDan]

Don't say teams have done it, show me. When has a team taken a knee on FOURTH DOWN for a turnover? WHEN????

Teams have done it.

In fact I am almost certain the Pats have done it under BB. But I don't have time to go thru every box score so here is the play by play from the end of the Saints/Cowboys game from last year....

Granted it was a 25 point lead when Brees started taking a knee with 3 minutes left but don't say it doesn't happen. It does happen.

New Orleans - 11:11
1st-10, NO16 11:11 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, NO19 10:26 D. McAllister rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
3rd-5, NO21 9:41 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
1st-10, NO27 8:55 NO committed 5 yard penalty
1st-15, NO22 8:31 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
2nd-12, NO25 7:44 D. McAllister rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain
3rd-7, NO30 6:59 D. McAllister rushed up the middle for 35 yard gain
1st-10, DAL35 6:07 R. Bush rushed to the right for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, DAL30 5:22 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
3rd-1, DAL26 4:36 D. McAllister rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
1st-10, DAL24 3:54 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, DAL20 3:07 R. Bush rushed to the left for 16 yard gain
1st-4, DAL4 3:00 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss
2nd-6, DAL6 3:00 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
3rd-7, DAL7 2:00 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
4th-8, DAL8 1:13 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

Dallas - 1:13
1st-10, DAL9 1:13 T. Romo rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
2nd-11, DAL8 0:33 T. Romo rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

 

[emoney_33]

Teams have done it.

In fact I am almost certain the Pats have done it under BB. But I don't have time to go thru every box score so here is the play by play from the end of the Saints/Cowboys game from last year....

Granted it was a 25 point lead when Brees started taking a knee with 3 minutes left but don't say it doesn't happen. It does happen.

New Orleans - 11:11
1st-10, NO16 11:11 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, NO19 10:26 D. McAllister rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
3rd-5, NO21 9:41 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
1st-10, NO27 8:55 NO committed 5 yard penalty
1st-15, NO22 8:31 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
2nd-12, NO25 7:44 D. McAllister rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain
3rd-7, NO30 6:59 D. McAllister rushed up the middle for 35 yard gain
1st-10, DAL35 6:07 R. Bush rushed to the right for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, DAL30 5:22 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
3rd-1, DAL26 4:36 D. McAllister rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
1st-10, DAL24 3:54 D. McAllister rushed to the right for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, DAL20 3:07 R. Bush rushed to the left for 16 yard gain
1st-4, DAL4 3:00 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss
2nd-6, DAL6 3:00 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
3rd-7, DAL7 2:00 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
4th-8, DAL8 1:13 D. Brees rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

Dallas - 1:13
1st-10, DAL9 1:13 T. Romo rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
2nd-11, DAL8 0:33 T. Romo rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

Thank you. I apologize for insisting it never happened. I guess there can be somewhat of an argument for turning the ball over to go out of your way and show respect. I don't agree with it though, I think the best thing to do is what we do, run the last string RB up the middle 4 plays in a row. I think it's more of a slap in the face to kneel-turnover the ball, basically saying "we feel so bad for you, here's the ball". Let them keep some pride and do what they are paid to do and stop you. I do back off my original impressions of turning it over on a kneel never happened etc... But I still don't think running it is "running up the score", and turning it over is a must to avoid "running up the score".

Again, thanks for the proof, I shouldn't sound so sure of myself when I don't know something for a fact. :bricks:

 

[questionman]

Thank you. I apologize for insisting it never happened. I guess there can be somewhat of an argument for turning the ball over to go out of your way and show respect. I don't agree with it though, I think the best thing to do is what we do, run the last string RB up the middle 4 plays in a row. I think it's more of a slap in the face to kneel-turnover the ball, basically saying "we feel so bad for you, here's the ball". Let them keep some pride and do what they are paid to do and stop you. I do back off my original impressions of turning it over on a kneel never happened etc... But I still don't think running it is "running up the score", and turning it over is a must to avoid "running up the score".

Again, thanks for the proof, I shouldn't sound so sure of myself when I don't know something for a fact. :bricks:

The one question that needs to be asked is how would the board react if the situation was reversed and the Cowboys scored a TD in the same situation?

 

[Joker]

what is this? Little Sallys Broken Hearts Club?

I sat through years and years of Shula and others RUNNING UP THE SCORE on Patriots squads. It's FOOTBALL...if you can't stop 'em, then get some players who can...and STFU

 

[He Ban Me]

brady was asked about this when they went for it with 20 secs left and he showed a lot of emotion on the TD and why the cowboys shouldnt take this an insult.he said asked the cowboys.
now i want ask this. is it more respectful to kick a FG or run it up the middle giving their defense a chance to stop them ?
BB always has said this when teams did this to us occasionally that its the job of the defense to stop and offense to score. even romeo said this last week so why does hitting a FG make it more sportsmanlike. ?
i guess they couldve taken a knee but iam sure they wanted to piss wade off.

There were 19 seconds left when he scored. The classy thing to do is take a knee. What do you think, Dallas runs out and tries to score from 98 yards away, with the clock ticking away?? It was unnecessary, but not a huge issue.

 

[PatsFanDan]

Thank you. I apologize for insisting it never happened. I guess there can be somewhat of an argument for turning the ball over to go out of your way and show respect. I don't agree with it though, I think the best thing to do is what we do, run the last string RB up the middle 4 plays in a row. I think it's more of a slap in the face to kneel-turnover the ball, basically saying "we feel so bad for you, here's the ball". Let them keep some pride and do what they are paid to do and stop you. I do back off my original impressions of turning it over on a kneel never happened etc... But I still don't think running it is "running up the score", and turning it over is a must to avoid "running up the score".

Again, thanks for the proof, I shouldn't sound so sure of myself when I don't know something for a fact. :bricks:

It's all good man. I really didn't have a problem with the Pats doing what they did.

But I also believe there is enough there to at least question the Pats motives.

As I said in the other thread though, I won't lose any sleep over it.

The Cowboys were a defeated team on that last series. The replay showed their whole front d-line laying on the ground after the last score trying to figure out what happened in the 2nd half. IMO, they can thank their coach for the final score, but again, JMO.

 

[patsox23]

As far as I'm concerned, running it up the middle on every down with your 5th-string running back is pretty darned restrained.

We have a winner. Exactly right, patchick. Good call.

 

[jbb9s]

I wish they brought in Vrabel and the A team goaline package (Seau) or whoever and threw for it. Then they could send the ball to the NYC NFL headquarters ATT: Roger Goodell.

 

[jbb9s]

We have a winner. Exactly right, patchick. Good call.

As far as I'm concerned, running it up the middle on every down with your 5th-string running back is pretty darned restrained.

Next week he could be the feature back!

 

[MetalBleachers]

The one question that needs to be asked is how would the board react if the situation was reversed and the Cowboys scored a TD in the same situation?

I'd probably be upset, but I'd be much more upset if:
1. there was a FG attempt
2. there was a passing attempt
3. we were down by more than two scores.

Anything can happen in the league. The Pats were up and in control when TB got sacked and gave up a TD the other way - boom - they had a game on their hands. If Romo got the ball back with 40 seconds left down by 2 TDs, wouldn't he start throwing downfield? And if they scored (again, a missed tackle, a tipped ball caught by a WR), then wouldn't they have to go for an onside kick?

Ask Buffalo about running the ball against Dallas at the goal line, or about being up two scores with little time left. Not that the Patriots had to score, but running the ball was the best way to secure victory.

 

[PatsDeb]

You could easily take a knee, teams have done it. Being up more than 1 TD with 20 seconds allows you to do that if you choose to do so.

Dallas themselves showed us why you cannot do this just last week. They scored 9 pts. with 20 seconds left to beat Buffalo. Why should we give them the same opportunity? It was good gamesmanship to run it up the middle. If you make it you've put the nail in the coffin. If not, they have to go the length of the field (twice) in 20 seconds, which they probably can't do. I can't believe people are making an issue of this. They could have stopped us, but they didn't.

 

[MassPats38]

I saw it as proper game management. At 14 points up with 2 minutes to go, Dallas is a touchdown, an onside kick, and a touchdown away from taking the victory away. As improbable as that outcome may be, if Dallas does not let the clock run down by calling a timeout, you do not hand the ball back to Dallas at any point on the field. Dallas proved that against Buffalo less than a week ago.

NE did not put in its power package on the field (Seau wanted to go out there and block and got called back) and ran straight up the gut with the lowest running back on the depth chart. Again, the chances of NE melting down like Buffalo are slim to none, but I can see plenty of critics screaming bloody murder if the unthinkable happens. Dallas can take the credit for the last touchdown by indicating it wanted to try its luck by calling a time out.

 

[questionman]

Dallas themselves showed us why you cannot do this just last week. They scored 9 pts. with 20 seconds left to beat Buffalo. Why should we give them the same opportunity? It was good gamesmanship to run it up the middle. If you make it you've put the nail in the coffin. If not, they have to go the length of the field (twice) in 20 seconds, which they probably can't do. I can't believe people are making an issue of this. They could have stopped us, but they didn't.

The difference is there was 20 seconds in between scores against Buffalo, not two scoring drives under 20 seconds. All Dallas did in 20 seconds was onside kick and kick a 52 yard field goal. I'm just saying...

 

[kolbitr]

The one question that needs to be asked is how would the board react if the situation was reversed and the Cowboys scored a TD in the same situation?

The better question is one that's already been answered--how would folks around the NFL react when the Patriots were down (re: videotaping)? We found that out--nearly everyone took a turn taking a shot, kicking us in the gut. Including Wade P., by all accounts.

When it's our turn to get trounced, no one will feel sorry for us. And no one will start changing their mind about the Patriots if we start demonstrating some pointless "goodwill" towards our vanquished enemy on the goalline. We show them respect off the field, which is more than many can say (including some Chargers, Browns, and Cowboys).