Roy Williams is a Dirty SOB

[QuiGon]

The NFL literally created the horsecollar rule because of Roy Williams to prevent him from doing his patented horsecollar tackle - and the guy continues to do it regularly anyway. If he tries that crap on Moss (or any other Pats player but Moss is the one I am most worried about), I hope someone takes him out big time.

 

[Nordy]

If he horse collars one of our players I hope Mankins goes over, rips his head off, and shoves it up his ass.

 

[skspikex2]

Well let hope the refs open their eyes and threw the flag for 15 yards.

If not, have Big Ben jumpkick Roy.

 

[zarakotas5]

Williams didn't actually horse collar that guy. He did try, but he didn't execute. The receiver was face-masked while Williams tried to horse him.

Yes, he is dirty. Which is bizarre, because he's a near zealot, religiously.

 

[Patriot Missile]

There are alot of dirty players out there. Some are and some aren't. I haven't seen enough of the guy to label him that. Harrison has been labeled a dirty player and I've rarely seen anything remotely close except hard nosed football.

 

[QuiGon]

There are alot of dirty players out there. Some are and some aren't. I haven't seen enough of the guy to label him that. Harrison has been labeled a dirty player and I've rarely seen anything remotely close except hard nosed football.

#1 sign you're a dirty player: They make a rule specifically for and because of you creating a risk of injury - and you keep doing it anyway. When they make a "Rodney Harrison" rule, then I will consider the face he may be dirty.

 

[khayos]

#1 sign you're a dirty player: They make a rule specifically for and because of you creating a risk of injury - and you keep doing it anyway. When they make a "Rodney Harrison" rule, then I will consider the face he may be dirty.

I'm sure the 'Rodney Harrison' rule would be knowing more than the refs on the field and instructing them on their jobs.

 

[zarakotas5]

There are alot of dirty players out there. Some are and some aren't. I haven't seen enough of the guy to label him that. Harrison has been labeled a dirty player and I've rarely seen anything remotely close except hard nosed football.

Roy Williams is pretty bad, man. I respect the fact that you reserve judgement to your own eyes, but a poster said it pretty well (they named a rule after him). RW is old school, one room school house old, in terms of dirty tactics. In his case, it comes off not as hard play or viciousness. More like bratty kid behaviour. Like the horsecollar, it is often ways to lessen bad beats.

 

[Tyler.Durden]

The horse collar type tackle is common in rugby league, but i see why it is illegal.

 

[jays52]

Not to defend the legality of the tackle, but in a field position game it makes a lot of sense. It stones the runner's foreward momentum and drops them backwards. This as opposed to wrapping the ball carrier's legs up from behind where they fall foreward and gain another two yards. That's often the difference between the punt team hitting the field or four fresh downs to work with. Horsecollar tackles are legal at the collegiate level because the level of athleticism is much different. In the pros, where guys are carrying 220 (frequently more) at a 4.4 clip and the body is working to it's physical limitations, any tweak to a runner's gait can cause massive injury. That's the reason the rule exists at the professional level. It's not in the nature of the hit to maliciously attack the ball carrier, just to stop them from making any further progress.

 

[Nordy]

It's not in the nature of the hit to maliciously attack the ball carrier, just to stop them from making any further progress.

The way that Roy does it seems pretty malicious. He broke Terrell Owens' leg with it and I'm pretty sure he's injured others with it, too.

 

[zarakotas5]

Not to defend the legality of the tackle, but in a field position game it makes a lot of sense. It stones the runner's foreward momentum and drops them backwards. This as opposed to wrapping the ball carrier's legs up from behind where they fall foreward and gain another two yards. That's often the difference between the punt team hitting the field or four fresh downs to work with. Horsecollar tackles are legal at the collegiate level because the level of athleticism is much different. In the pros, where guys are carrying 220 (frequently more) at a 4.4 clip and the body is working to it's physical limitations, any tweak to a runner's gait can cause massive injury. That's the reason the rule exists at the professional level. It's not in the nature of the hit to maliciously attack the ball carrier, just to stop them from making any further progress.

You make a good point. Excepting the face-mask, I believe a defender should have every option to tackle an offensive player. Playing defense is about reaction and grasping. They are at the disadvantage. The horse-collar rule was to prevent injuries. Horrible, directly-related injuries. But, the game has progressed beyond wins and losses. It is a money league; not just for owners and fans, but players. The NFLPA is a big entity. Players need to protect themselves. In one year, an non-drafted rookie makes more than the average fan does in, what, 5 years? Imagine the gravity a 5-10 year vet can exert.

The game has surpassed barbarian entertainment into business elite. Mere finely-timed free agents regularly get larger contracts than titans of business CEOs receive. The effect that $5-10M CEOs enact on society is greater than 7-year DEs, but their comparative status is equal.

 

[Ghost of Ben Dreith]

That he did it initially is one thing and I have no problem with that.....the fact that he continues to do it after injuries to other players and a specific rule against it means he is a POS in my book....and that is even if they are playing the Dolts.

You should always respect the other players right to earn a living. Unless it is Kevin Mawai...then screw him...take his knees out.

 

[sebman2112]

The way that Roy does it seems pretty malicious. He broke Terrell Owens' leg with it and I'm pretty sure he's injured others with it, too.

Yes, and Williams doesn't just grab the neck hole on the back of jerseys like most either, he actually gets his fingers inside the shoulder pads and pulls down with all his weight. I personally find it to be a dirty play and I don't employ this tactic when tackling. It also amazes me that he continues using this tackling mathod even though the league created to rule against this because of him and he's already been fined for continueing to do so. If he does this again (and he will) he needs to receive at least a one week suspension and loss of game check.

 

[Julius]

The poor guy only tackles this way because he is always chasing recievers down who have burned him.

 

[gomezcat]

The horse collar type tackle is common in rugby league, but i see why it is illegal.

Don't those get penalised as high tackles, though?

I'm glad to see the horse collar made illegal. It is a recipe for serious injury.

 

[fourthandmiles]

Does anyone have a definition? I thought that what I was seeing was not technically a horsecollar that is why it was not being called.

 

[primetime]

The horse collar type tackle is common in rugby league, but i see why it is illegal.

It's common in rugby but considered extremely unsporting. If you drag a guy down by the collar or shoulders from behind in rugby, you're usually looking for a brawl to break out.

The horsecollar has to be a grab inside the shoulder pads, doesn't it? You can take a guy down by the jersey, just can't grab him from the collar of the shoulder pads.

 

[All_Around_Brown]

It's common in rugby but considered extremely unsporting. If you drag a guy down by the collar or shoulders from behind in rugby, you're usually looking for a brawl to break out.

The horsecollar has to be a grab inside the shoulder pads, doesn't it? You can take a guy down by the jersey, just can't grab him from the collar of the shoulder pads.

Correct, and it happens often. Same effect really. I think the HC rule is just another example of the ****ification of the NFL.

 

[Nordy]

Correct, and it happens often. Same effect really. I think the HC rule is just another example of the ****ification of the NFL.

No it doesn't happen often. Especially in the manner that Williams does it.