OT: Colts LB Rob Morris (likely) done for year

[Handel]

It seems it stirred the debate...

All I wanted to say is that the reasoning we have when a Pats player is replaced because of injury should be the same for any other team....

Just to put a little rationality in the debate.

 

[workhorse]

Colts moonbats chime in to say his replacement is an emerging star and better than Morris anyway and in turn will make t heir defense even better than ever in....3-2-1.

I don't think that you will hear that. Morris sucked when he was drafted and started at middle, but once they moved him to the strong side backer he really helped the defense. Those behind him may be able to fill the spot, but they are a definant downgrade.

I thought it was funny since the Colts lost both starting CBs this offseason and all were heard was that it was going to actually make them better (while missing the implication that their coach is a poor decision maker for starting inferior players).

So evey player that is a starter, is a starter from day one? Both corners are entering their third season, so it's not like they have just been sitting on the bench.

 

[ATippett56]

It seems it stirred the debate...

All I wanted to say is that the reasoning we have when a Pats player is replaced because of injury should be the same for any other team....

Just to put a little rationality in the debate.

The Patriots certainly could have used Seau and Harrison in the AFC Championship Game last year.

 

[ATippett56]

So evey player that is a starter, is a starter from day one? Both corners are entering their third season, so it's not like they have just been sitting on the bench.

We not talking about the loss of a cornerback here. Frankly, the Colts defense has overachieved this year especially with two lousy defensive tackles.

 

[kolbitr]

I hate to see injuries like that. Physicality is a part--the essence?--of the game, but I would rather players deal only with pain and fear, and exhaustion and the like; seeing knees blown out is always depressing.

I dream that one day a brace will be invented that will barely hinder mobility, but which will decrease the likelihood of catastrophic knee injuries by some percentage...probably just a dream, though.

 

[alamo]

OK... I'll play.

You go find me a link where 1 (and you only have to find 1 ) Pats fan was singing the praise of Monty Biesel in 2005.:bricks:

The board archives don't go back far enough to completely satisfy your request, but this one should do:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=28212&highlight=beisel

There is a definite and annoying double-standard on this board where some apply completely different standards to ourselves than we do to our opponents. It's self-delusion, and anyone truly objective just have to laugh (or in many cases just stop bother coming here).

 

[workhorse]

We not talking about the loss of a cornerback here. Frankly, the Colts defense has overachieved this year especially with two lousy defensive tackles.

Actually I was responding to a statement about the corners.

Having Morris and Sanders as part of the Colts defense has helped them to play much better. Maybe they aren't two lousy tackles. One is a rook, so it's way too early to call him lousy.

 

[ATippett56]

Actually I was responding to a statement about the corners.

Having Morris and Sanders as part of the Colts defense has helped them to play much better. Maybe they aren't two lousy tackles. One is a rook, so it's way too early to call him lousy.

An undrafted rookie at defensive tackle will be exposed sooner or later. That Colts rushing defense is still a problem.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/stati...ort=ypg&pos=def&league=nfl&year=2007&season=2

Oh wait! The Texans played without their best wide receiver and the Broncos played without their best wide receiver. The Colts defense have led a charmed life this season.

So who is the replacement for Morris? A rookie?

 

[jman924]

The board archives don't go back far enough to completely satisfy your request, but this one should do:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=28212&highlight=beisel

There is a definite and annoying double-standard on this board where some apply completely different standards to ourselves than we do to our opponents. It's self-delusion, and anyone truly objective just have to laugh (or in many cases just stop bother coming here).

???? ????
He thought Beisel would get the job done, until he didn't.
That's not exactly high praise.
I congratulate you on finding the 1 person who thought Beisel MIGHT work as a replacement for Bruschi, until the games actually started.
Geez...Beisel sucks.w

 

[onegameatatime]

Morris must have done a whole lot better as an OLB because he was awful at MLB. Check out 3GTG3 and see how many times he dives at air and is just a bit too late to the play. The anti-Ray Lewis.

At IndyStar, he was one of the most ridiculed players.

I do not see this as much of a loss.

Although I hate to see any player knocked out foir the year ... even a Dolt.

 

[workhorse]

An undrafted rookie at defensive tackle will be exposed sooner or later. That Colts rushing defense is still a problem.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/stati...ort=ypg&pos=def&league=nfl&year=2007&season=2

Oh wait! The Texans played without their best wide receiver and the Broncos played without their best wide receiver. The Colts defense have led a charmed life this season.

So who is the replacement for Morris? A rookie?

You really can't complain about playing against injuries, nearly every has been bitten. Rocky Boiman is his back-up, in his 6th year from ND. Tyjuan Hagler could also be a factor if Boiman struggles. Though Boiman started two games already when Morris was nicked up earlier this season.

Morris must have done a whole lot better as an OLB because he was awful at MLB. Check out 3GTG3 and see how many times he dives at air and is just a bit too late to the play. The anti-Ray Lewis.

At IndyStar, he was one of the most ridiculed players.

I do not see this as much of a loss.

Although I hate to see any player knocked out foir the year ... even a Dolt.

He was ridiculed in the past. Nearly everyone there has had a change of heart since he switched positions.

His loss will be felt. If not on D, it will be on special teams.

 

[ATippett56]

You really can't complain about playing against injuries, nearly every has been bitten. Rocky Boiman is his back-up, in his 6th year from ND. Tyjuan Hagler could also be a factor if Boiman struggles. Though Boiman started two games already when Morris was nicked up earlier this season.

Sounds like table scraps to me. By the way, Boiman blows. I certainly hope this Hagler has some fight in him.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

So evey player that is a starter, is a starter from day one? Both corners are entering their third season, so it's not like they have just been sitting on the bench.

my point was that if they were better players last year they would (or should) have been starting last year. Absent a sudden and significant improvement between seasons, they were either inferior players when other guys were starting or your coach was foolishly starting inferior players.

I guess they could both just happen to be reaching the point where they're better than last year's guys at the right time. The more likely scenario is that they still have to grow into that role.

I have no issue with people thinking that losses won't be significant, but asking me to believe that back-ups are better than starters is stretching things.

 

[workhorse]

my point was that if they were better players last year they would (or should) have been starting last year. Absent a sudden and significant improvement between seasons, they were either inferior players when other guys were starting or your coach was foolishly starting inferior players.

I guess they could both just happen to be reaching the point where they're better than last year's guys at the right time. The more likely scenario is that they still have to grow into that role.

I have no issue with people thinking that losses won't be significant, but asking me to believe that back-ups are better than starters is stretching things.

Just playing devil's advocate...why wasn't Brady starting then?

 

[pats63]

Hate to injury like that to anyone.....Hope for a speedy recovery.....

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Just playing devil's advocate...why wasn't Brady starting then?

Because Bledsoe was the franchise quarterback and an icon in NE.

Word is that Belichick liked Brady over Bledsoe entering 2001. Starting him would have put Brady into an impossible spot though and he would have been killed by the press and fans for every mistake he made.

Perhaps Belichick learned something from unceremoniously cutting Bernie Kosar in Cleveland and didn't want to deal with that again.

It's a good point on your part, but a special case nonetheless.

 

[captain stone]

1) He just went down, unblocked from what I saw. It's not like he was cut (ala Bryan Cox). Hope he recovers fully. I hate to see guys lose a year of their FB life and quite possibly damage their career.

2) If Polian went down in a heap, well, that's another matter!

1) I agree. I hope that Morris makes a full recovery and can resume his career. He's the only player in the dolt's front 7 who could fit in the NEP's system.

2) Add the Irsays, naPolian, the Mannings and Dungheep, too.

 

[Oswlek]

1) I agree. I hope that Morris makes a full recovery and can resume his career. He's the only player in the dolt's front 7 who could fit in the NEP's system.

2) Add the Irsays, naPolian, the Mannings and Dungheep, too.

No way, no how. Morris isn't even close to what NE needs. He is closer to Monte Beisel than he is a guy who could fit in with NE. I see no reason why Freeney wouldn't be able to play for NE, but I either don't have enough info on anybody else or I don't think they fit NE's system.

 

[reflexblue]

It seemed last year Morris had finally found his nich OLB. He and Sanders solidified the Indy run defense imo.

 

[Blue18]

I shake my head at people celebrating a guy getting injured. sick freaks