Oldenburgh Goes Over to the Dark Side

[PatsRI]

BB should make it real interesting. SIgn some scrub they have no plan to keep feed him full of false info and turn him loose so the Jets pick him up. Espionage at it's best.

 

[Metaphors]

i find it hilarious that we had all of these late round draft picks that we had little use for, and pretty much knew wouldnt make the team, and we still picked guys good enough that as soon as they were available the Jets jumped all over them.
We didnt have need to draft for, and were picking guys will almost no chance to make the team, and we did a better job of finding guys who fit the Jets needs than the Jets did.

For me personally, the thing I found creepy was that I predicted the Jets first 2 draft picks and predicted the tradeups needed to get them. The creepy part is that I was predicting what the Pats were going to do in the draft.

 

[Oswlek]

I see this a little differently than many here do. What the Jets essentially did was to trade all of their second day picks to move up and get guys that they had no chance of getting otherwise, and then backfill those "picks" after the fact with players who had already been coached up to fit their system.

So they got to have their cake and eat it to. How is that a bad thing again?

As I said in another thread, the Jets have moved up pretty high on my loathe list too. I hope that they go 0-16 for the next 7 years too. But there is no reason to manufacture reasons to attack them. Their games are material enough.

 

[nowayback]

jets are the pats b team

 

[marty]

Just another attraction for going to the Pats. If you don't make our team, you're going to get a shot at another team.

 

[fourthandmiles]

I hope they don't give him an MRI during his physical. They might find that spychip BB installed in his neck.

 

[pats60]

Bill better check his toilet paper.

 

[unoriginal]

I see this a little differently than many here do. What the Jets essentially did was to trade all of their second day picks to move up and get guys that they had no chance of getting otherwise, and then backfill those "picks" after the fact with players who had already been coached up to fit their system.

So they got to have their cake and eat it to. How is that a bad thing again?

As I said in another thread, the Jets have moved up pretty high on my loathe list too. I hope that they go 0-16 for the next 7 years too. But there is no reason to manufacture reasons to attack them. Their games are material enough.

Goddamn right. Jets are doing the smart thing here.

 

[mgteich]

So, the the jets trading up and are signing patriot castoffs to backfill for late Round Two draft picks. This sound right to me.

 

[PatsDeb]

I see this a little differently than many here do. What the Jets essentially did was to trade all of their second day picks to move up and get guys that they had no chance of getting otherwise, and then backfill those "picks" after the fact with players who had already been coached up to fit their system.

So they got to have their cake and eat it to. How is that a bad thing again?

As I said in another thread, the Jets have moved up pretty high on my loathe list too. I hope that they go 0-16 for the next 7 years too. But there is no reason to manufacture reasons to attack them. Their games are material enough.

The only problem with this theory is that if the players were any good, even to fill our back spots, they'd still be on our team. The cake they're eating is stale. They can have it.

 

[Oswlek]

The only problem with this theory is that if the players were any good, even to fill our back spots, they'd still be on our team. The cake they're eating is stale. They can have it.

Why? NE is loaded on the OL. 4 of 5 spots were clearly spoken for and the 5th had 3 guys who all started at times the prior year. Then add in Yates and Hochstein and you have limited spots for a rookie OL.

By comparison, NY has one spot that is truly locked up (C) and one spot that will be held due to draft status. Every other position has an opening. Just because a guys doesn't make one squad doesn't necessarily make him a bad player.

A couple examples:

Vrabel was on the outside looking in for playing time in Pitt because they were loaded at LB.

Welker made SD, but got cut after week one because they needed his roster spot and he essentially just duplicated Tim Dwight's skills.

Ability + Opportunity = Making the team. Just because there wasn't an opportunity here doesn't mean that there isn't ability.

 

[Oswlek]

So, the the jets trading up and are signing patriot castoffs to backfill for late Round Two draft picks. This sound right to me.

No, they are using guys that were drafted on the second day to backfill picks lost on the second day. Plus they get the benefit of knowing the players were well coached.

Again, there is nothing wrong with what the Jets are doing. Their OL sucks and they are picking at the scraps to see if they can find a nugget. How is that any different than NE grabbing safeties like they were going out of style in 2005?

There are plenty of reasons to poke fun at with the Jets. I just don't see why this is one of them.

 

[Dragda]

Dear God -- I know you are very busy and there are alot more important things than football but if you have any spare time on Sunday can you help the Dolphins crush the Jets? I know it's probably blasphemy to pray for the total annihilation of a sports team but it would right a karmic wrong and make many people in New England and Miami very, very happy.

Thanks for listening.

God: Since you have infinite processing power, why not use it against the Jets? Amen.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Can someone please explain to me how filming an opposing sideline in public, in front of 78,000 people is so much worse than bringing in and interrogating a former employee of another team regarding the plays he learned in private from an opposing team's coaching staff?

Yes. One violates an expressly written rule and memo from the comissioner.
The other does not.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I see this a little differently than many here do. What the Jets essentially did was to trade all of their second day picks to move up and get guys that they had no chance of getting otherwise, and then backfill those "picks" after the fact with players who had already been coached up to fit their system.

So they got to have their cake and eat it to. How is that a bad thing again?

As I said in another thread, the Jets have moved up pretty high on my loathe list too. I hope that they go 0-16 for the next 7 years too. But there is no reason to manufacture reasons to attack them. Their games are material enough.

A well thought out observation. BB used his second day picks to provide some material for Dante's offensive linemen school. Non were ready to play and all needed a few years of grooming. Hilliard didn't work out and both Oldenburg and Elgin looked to be keepers if they could get them to the PS. They lost Elgin and I guess Oldenberg wasn't working out.

If I were cut, I'd look for an opportunity anywhere, so I hold no grudge against any exPat talking with any team including the Jets, looking for a job.

Its an interesting approach that you suggest that Tangini took to use up their own second day picks for better first day picks. And then taking second day picks from other teams that tried to stash them on the PS to develop, in order to make up for it.

Good idea.

 

[Lansdowne]

LMAO @ the Jets

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

Relax, the Jets' signing of Oldenburg was predictable even before videogate.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showpost.php?p=496381&postcount=9

 

[captain stone]

No, they are using guys that were drafted on the second day to backfill picks lost on the second day. Plus they get the benefit of knowing the players were well coached.

Again, there is nothing wrong with what the Jets are doing. Their OL sucks and they are picking at the scraps to see if they can find a nugget. How is that any different than NE grabbing safeties like they were going out of style in 2005?

There are plenty of reasons to poke fun at with the Jets. I just don't see why this is one of them.

I, too, agree with your line of reasoning. BB/SP mined a similar vein in 2000 & 2001.

BTW, how the heck do you pronounce "Oswlek"?

 

[captain stone]

For me personally, the thing I found creepy was that I predicted the Jets first 2 draft picks and predicted the tradeups needed to get them. The creepy part is that I was predicting what the Pats were going to do in the draft.

I wish that the FO did indeed act as you had predicted, because the draft's 2nd day for the NEP was a complete failure, as I feared. The 2007 draft has unfortunately more resembled the 2004 draft than it has the 2003 draft.

 

[shmessy]

Yes. One violates an expressly written rule and memo from the comissioner.
The other does not.

I asked "Why is it worse" not "Why was it punished".

I guess just because it is a rule.........

Just a few from http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/laws01.htm

Colorado:


It is illegal for a woman wearing a red dress to be out on the streets after 7 p.m. [Thanks to Molly Lane]
It is illegal to let your cat run loose in Denver unless it has a taillight. [Thanks to Krystal Stephens]
A dogcatcher must notify the dog, three days before they capture them, of their intentions. (I think that's also Denver) [Thanks to Krystal Stephens]
It is illegal to drive a black car on Sunday in Denver. [Thanks to Krystal Stephens]

Connecticut:


You can be stopped by the police for biking over 65 miles per hour.
You are not allowed to walk across a street on your hands.
A pickle is not officially a pickle unless it bounces [Thanks to an anonymous sender at [email protected] for that one]

Florida:


Women may be fined for falling asleep under a hair dryer, as can the salon owner.
A special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.
If an elephant is left tied to a parking meter, the parking fee has to be paid just as it would for a vehicle.
(SARASOTA) It is illegal to sing in a public place while attired in a swimsuit.
Men may not be seen publicly in any kind of strapless gown.
In Miami, it is forbidden to imitate an animal. [Thanks to Dave Knott]
It is illegal to fart in a public place after 6:00pm on a Thursday. [Thanks to John Andrews]
It is illegal to have sexual intercourse with a porcupine. [Thanks to Allison Neely]
It is illegal for a woman to bungie jump naked on Sunday before midday. [Thanks to Danny Giffen]