OT: Dan Marino "truth" thread

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Dan Marino, who is still gloating about spygate, and recently got out of the hospital after having his grin surgically removed from his face, is probably the biggest media hoax of all-time. No "spin" on any story or person has ever approached the decade-long ball washing of Dan of the Man, which goes something like this: "Dan Marino never won because he never had a defense." "Dan Marino never won because he never had a running game." "Dan Marino never won because there was a full moon on his 29th birthday."

Dan Marino never won because Dan Marino was the biggest choker of all-time (with apologies to Peyton "3 TDs, 7 INTs" Manning.)

It's no wonder that Marino takes every opportunity to put down a winning franchise. His long, nightmarish postseason career went a little worse than Ben Stiller's high school prom date with Cameron Diaz, dragged out over 17 seasons. It ended in a fitting 62-7 Maddenesque thumping to Jacksonville, a predictable ending to the biggest disappointer of all-time.

In 10 of 18 postseason games, "Dan the Man" threw two or more interceptions. Statistically, the odds of winning a postseason game with this stat is less than 15%.

In games where Marino threw only 1 INT or less, the Dolphins went 7-1.

In games where Marino threw 2 or more INTs, the Dolphins went 1-9.

In 1983, the Dolphins boasted the #1 scoring defense in the league. They lost their first playoff games after Marino threw 2 INTs in 25 attempts.

In 1990, the Dolphins boasted the #4 scoring defense in the league. They lost to the Bills when Marino threw 2 INTs.

In 1998, the Dolphins again boasted the #1 scoring defense in the league. They lost to the Broncos when Marino threw 2 INTs.

In 17 seasons, Marino's offensive line combined for 20 pro bowl selections.

In 17 seasons, Marino's receivers and tight ends combined for 13 pro bowl selections.

That's 33 pro bowl players in 17 seasons, or almost two every season. Tom Brady has had Matt Light, Corey Dillon, and Troy Brown (3), in six seasons.

 

[Patriots4Ever]

I personally Cannot stand Marino,He had numerous great recievers over the years.Miami rarely had a lack of talent in the years he was there.He just couldnt win the big games.No Doubt he deserves the HOF status he has,Statiscally he killed it.However,Much like the present day QB's such as Manning.Your not elite unless youve got that ring..

 

[Gunnails]

I personally Cannot stand Marino,He had numerous great recievers over the years.Miami rarely had a lack of talent in the years he was there.He just couldnt win the big games.No Doubt he deserves the HOF status he has,Statiscally he killed it.However,Much like the present day QB's such as Manning.Your not elite unless youve got that ring..

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The bolded part of your post got me thinking.

Do you think that Dillon should go to the Hall because he got the stats and the ring.

Do you think Curtis Martin should not go to the hall because he has the stats but no ring.

To me the Hall of Fame is about individual achievement, and as such I have no problem with Marino being in it.

It is kind of an interesting topic though.

 

[Patriots4Ever]

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The bolded part of your post got me thinking.

Do you think that Dillon should go to the Hall because he got the stats and the ring.

Do you think Curtis Martin should not go to the hall because he has the stats but no ring.

To me the Hall of Fame is about individual achievement, and as such I have no problem with Marino being in it.

It is kind of an interesting topic though.

Absolutely Not,I guess that post Is a bit misleading.Dillion and Martin are among two of the most successful backs in NFL history.Martin is #4 on the alltime list,Surely him not having a ring does not take away from that success.What I was referring to is the media' and Social opinion that unless you win that ring..Your a failure in the NFL.I myself do not agree with that,..

 

[jman924]

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The bolded part of your post got me thinking.

Do you think that Dillon should go to the Hall because he got the stats and the ring.

Do you think Curtis Martin should not go to the hall because he has the stats but no ring.

To me the Hall of Fame is about individual achievement, and as such I have no problem with Marino being in it.

It is kind of an interesting topic though.

It's always easier when you've got the stats... and the BLING!

 

[Gunnails]

Absolutely Not,I guess that post Is a bit misleading.Dillion and Martin are among two of the most successful backs in NFL history.Martin is #4 on the alltime list,Surely him not having a ring does not take away from that success.What I was referring to is the media' and Social opinion that unless you win that ring..Your a failure in the NFL.I myself do not agree with that,..

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Gotcha, We are both of the same oppinion.
Thanks for the reply.

 

[Patjew]

Dan is a whiney little bi-atch. I'm not normally racist, but I have to tell you, he has the weirdest skin color of anyone I've ever seen: I hate that orange bastard. It's like he's half sunkist. At any rate, he is a lo-oo-oo-serrrrrrr.

A fine actor, though.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

You guys couldn't be more wrong.

Dan Marino was 8-10 in his career in the playoffs. In those 10 losses Marino threw for 14 TDs and ran for 1 while the defense allowed an average of 34.5 points per game in those 10 losses.

In the Super Bowl loss, the defense allowed 38 points while Marion had more than 300 yards and completed almost 60% of his passes

Yeah, I can see where that was his fault that the defense allowed so many points.

Sounds to me like Marino was the greatest ever but never got a supporting cast to help him. Isn't it obvious? If it wasn't for a great playoff performance by the Colts DEFENSE, he wouldn't have a ring yet either.

I love how the original poster shows the defense's REGULAR season numbers, but you fail to show their playoff performances. Just so you know, what you do in the regular season doesn't count for anything in the post-season.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Dan is a whiney little bi-atch. I'm not normally racist, but I have to tell you, he has the weirdest skin color of anyone I've ever seen: I hate that orange bastard. It's like he's half sunkist. At any rate, he is a lo-oo-oo-serrrrrrr.

A fine actor, though.

Marino was twice the passer Brady will ever be and played with half the talent Brady has had his whole career.

 

[Patjew]

Marino was twice the passer Brady will ever be and played with half the talent Brady has had his whole career.

Ouchy, that really hurts, my fishy little friend. Touche, douche.

Call me when Dan turns maroon.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Ouchy, that really hurts, my fishy little friend. Touche, douche.

Call me when Dan turns maroon.

Tell me, what physical attribute does Brady have the edge on Marino? Marino had a stronger arm, was more accurate, had a quicker release, was more mobile (not using his legs but his internal clock was great), his feet were better, his vision, arm slot, drops, plant foot, hip rotation... Do you want me to keep going?

The only thing Brady has is that he "wins." And this is a team sport so it takes more than just 1 guy to win a game, it's a 53 man effort. Dan played the QB position better than any one ever did (maybe Montana), it's not his fault the other 52 weren't up to par. I thought this was the ultimate team game but I guess by your standards, it's a quarterback game.

 

[Patjew]

Tell me, what physical attribute does Brady have the edge on Marino? Marino had a stronger arm, was more accurate, had a quicker release, was more mobile (not using his legs but his internal clock was great), his feet were better, his vision, arm slot, drops, plant foot, hip rotation... Do you want me to keep going?

The only thing Brady has is that he "wins." And this is a team sport so it takes more than just 1 guy to win a game, it's a 53 man effort. Dan played the QB position better than any one ever did (maybe Montana), it's not his fault the other 52 weren't up to par. I thought this was the ultimate team game but I guess by your standards, it's a quarterback game.

Ooh, stop hurting my booboos!

Hate to break this to you, but I don't care about your argument. I root for the Pats to win and that's all I care about. So you can shove your dan-the-man-strap-on up yourself for all I care. That being said, if I get a chance to take a shot at that Oompa Loompa you used to call your QB, I'll take it. And I could care less what you have to say.

By the way, I'm in the Cathay Pacific business lounge at the Bangkok airport right now. Where are you, in your mommy's basement wearing your skidmarked BVD's?

Back to "ignore" with you, you sad little freak.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Ahh, so when someone presents an informative argument you just back into your little corner because you don't know **** about football, right? Figures, what else could I expect? I'll just mark this debate up in the win collum for myself. Is that always your approach with people who know more than you? Just put them on ignore? Funny how I actully talk about football and what is normally a good topic while you sit here and talk about your fantasy image of me in your sick little perverted mind and I'm the one that lands on ignore. Also interesting that you call ME the sad little freak. I don't need to explain why, you know exactly why. I just want to know, isn't it embarrassing leaving that stuff in text on the world wide web with your name signed on it?

 

[Patjew]

Ahh, so when someone presents an informative argument you just back into your little corner because you don't know **** about football, right? Figures, what else could I expect? I'll just mark this debate up in the win collum for myself. Is that always your approach with people who know more than you? Just put them on ignore? Funny how I actully talk about football and what is normally a good topic while you sit here and talk about your fantasy image of me in your sick little perverted mind and I'm the one that lands on ignore. Also interesting that you call ME the sad little freak. I don't need to explain why, you know exactly why. I just want to know, isn't it embarrassing leaving that stuff in text on the world wide web with your name signed on it?

You're right, little buddy. You win. Kudos. Another internet victory for you!!!

PS: what the heck is a "collum"?

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

You're right, little buddy. You win. Kudos. Another internet victory for you!!!

PS: what the heck is a "collum"?

No way, not only can you create perverted stories but you can also point out typos? Damn, you're a bonafide PatriotsPride aren't you? I'm done with you, your intelect is lacking just as much as your orginality. I wish to keep this thread about Marino and not some loser who knows nothing about football. Peace out, doofus.

 

[Deus Irae]

You guys couldn't be more wrong.

Dan Marino was 8-10 in his career in the playoffs. In those 10 losses Marino threw for 14 TDs and ran for 1 while the defense allowed an average of 34.5 points per game in those 10 losses.

In the Super Bowl loss, the defense allowed 38 points while Marion had more than 300 yards and completed almost 60% of his passes

Yeah, I can see where that was his fault that the defense allowed so many points.

Sounds to me like Marino was the greatest ever but never got a supporting cast to help him. Isn't it obvious? If it wasn't for a great playoff performance by the Colts DEFENSE, he wouldn't have a ring yet either.

I love how the original poster shows the defense's REGULAR season numbers, but you fail to show their playoff performances. Just so you know, what you do in the regular season doesn't count for anything in the post-season.

Way to shade the truth about that Super Bowl. Marino compiled a lofty quarterback rating of 66.9. That was worse than Grossman's rating last year. Brady has had games with ratings of 110.2, 100.5 and 86.2.

In fact, of all 96 quarterbacks to have any QB rating in the Super Bowl, the Mighty Marino's 66.9 is good for only 62nd best. He couldn't put a single point on the board in the second half of that game. Even worse, in the crucial 12 minutes of that game, in the second quarter, Marino could only muster 1 net yard of offense and no first downs. The Niners took advantage of Marino's ineffectiveness and scored 3 times in that span.

In fact, here's what Shula had to say about things after the game:

"This is going to be tough to live with during the off-season," Shula said. "Offensively, it was our poorest game of the year. We were stopped today."

I could go on, but I'll let CHFF take it from here, in this article from 2004:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=57

 

[DarrylS]

The only thing Brady has is that he "wins." And this is a team sport so it takes more than just 1 guy to win a game, it's a 53 man effort. Dan played the QB position better than any one ever did (maybe Montana), it's not his fault the other 52 weren't up to par. I thought this was the ultimate team game but I guess by your standards, it's a quarterback game.

That is all you have to say, shows what a tool you are.. it is about wins, and that is the ultimate judge of things.. you can be pretty, amass a gazillion yards.. but bottom, line is about "moving the chains" and ultimately winning.

Nothing is Marino's fault, it is everyone elses.

 

[BTTA]

Marino was twice the passer Brady will ever be and played with half the talent Brady has had his whole career.

That's 33 pro bowl players in 17 seasons, or almost two every season. Tom Brady has had Matt Light, Corey Dillon, and Troy Brown (3), in six season

 

[zoostation]

You guys couldn't be more wrong.

Dan Marino was 8-10 in his career in the playoffs. In those 10 losses Marino threw for 14 TDs and ran for 1 while the defense allowed an average of 34.5 points per game in those 10 losses.

In the Super Bowl loss, the defense allowed 38 points while Marion had more than 300 yards and completed almost 60% of his passes

Yeah, I can see where that was his fault that the defense allowed so many points.

Sounds to me like Marino was the greatest ever but never got a supporting cast to help him. Isn't it obvious? If it wasn't for a great playoff performance by the Colts DEFENSE, he wouldn't have a ring yet either.

I love how the original poster shows the defense's REGULAR season numbers, but you fail to show their playoff performances. Just so you know, what you do in the regular season doesn't count for anything in the post-season.

Thos stats are all over-rated...come from behind...nickle D stats...garbage time stats. The dude choked in the big games......period. Marino wasn't half the QB Tom Brady is. Anyone but a Fins fan will admit this.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Marino was more similar to Bledose than Brady/Manning. He had a great arm and quick release. But he lacked leadership skills and judgment, and I don't think he read defenses as well as a Brady or Manning.

For maybe 5 years, I was afraid of us having to face Marino, kind of like Bledsoe's career. The rest of the time, I knew he would make mistakes.