OT: McNabb-"Black QBs get criticized more than White QBs"

[FreeTedWilliams]

Who is the most critized QB?

It has to be Rex Grossman, and why? Because he sucks and is killing Da Bears

Was their a problem with balck QBs, absolutely, the fact that Waren Moon had to play in Canada for years is a disgrace to the NFL.

However, guys like Moon and Doug Williams ended that. Also when he was health was their a better QB than Steve McNair? The guy was a winner and maybe a little too tough for his own good.

Vince Young, has a much better case to ***** than McNabb. If Vince was white, do you think he would have dropped the way he did?

 

[PatriotsReign]

McNabb might not be the biggest racist in this league, but he is surely the most vocal racist in the league.

I realized long ago that racism is a two way street. And McNabb lives on that road.

Sure, Limbaugh pissed him off and all, but McNabb clearly is not capable of being the better man. McNabb is not even slightly better than Rush in terms of race credibility at this point.

I have my eye on two quarterbacks of the future, Campbell, who has potential. And Troy Smith, who I really believe will be the first great athletic QB we have seen since Warren Moon.

Troy Smith knows how to play the game in a way that still seems to elude McNabb. I really believe that he will be the Raven's best QB. McNair took years to stop scrambling around and start playing the position. I will take Troy Smith over the best of Steve McNair any day.

The problem with McNabb has NEVER been the color of his skin. The problem is that he is thin skinned. Instead of advancing race relations, he seems content to sling mud at the other guy. Oh, and collect royalties from the whiteys that run Cambell Soup.

Although I understand it was the media that brought this topic up and seems to be bent on periodically tossing it into the limelight, I truly believe any discussion of race among NFL players is fruitless. Players should only be compared on a skill & value basis without regard to color. Honestly, at this point, who the hell cares what color they are.

In discussing coaching positions and/or Team & league management positions, it is still a valid topic.

 

[spacecrime]

ok lets make sure this doesnt get into a "race" thread.

How can a thread with a subject: Black QBs get criticized more than white QBs not be a "race" thread?

 

[spacecrime]

Vince Young, has a much better case to ***** than McNabb. If Vince was white, do you think he would have dropped the way he did?

I'm assuming this is an attempt at humor? Vince was the first QB taken, the third pick in the draft, and neither of the players selected above him were white.

 

[BelichickFan]

Vince Young, has a much better case to ***** than McNabb. If Vince was white, do you think he would have dropped the way he did?

I'm assuming this is an attempt at humor? Vince was the first QB taken, the third pick in the draft, and neither of the players selected above him were white.

He must be thinking of Leinart or Quinn. Oh . . . wait

Sometimes things just happen. If a black QB drops in the draft it doesn't HAVE TO BE because he's black. We, of all fans, should be a little more open minded to piling on on circumstantial evidence this week.

BTW, McNabb sucks. Rush was right, he's overrated.

 

[FarScapeR]

Not last season, he wasn't... at least until he got hurt

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

ahhh America....and the race issue. A hot topic item that will never go away.

My view on it is this. Look at the numbers, race can not slander this. Your numbers are your numbers.

Yeah, since I live in Canada I used to watch Moon play, he was awesome and I always used to wonder why he never played in the NFL. Was it that he was not given the same opportunity or was it because he was black people used to, and I can't believe I am saying this but I am trying to understand, think he could not manage a game and make smart decisions, or be a good pocket passer. I don't know. All I know is that when he played up here he was sure fun to watch.

Donovan, I am not too sure why he pulled out the race card here. Maybe because the racially conscious Gumby egged him or or baited/suggested he use it. Either way I thought Donovan was better than that. Too bad.

Ultimately you have to look at the numbers, they will tell you how you are doing and I am confident that American Football fans would gladly embrace their team's black qb if he was performing like Brady, Manning, or <insert white qb that is not doing too bad> here.

Here'a a 4-1-1 for you. Play the game, compete and win. Put up your best effort as a team and win games. If that happened, I wouldn't give a rip what color you were. Why does anyone else?

 

[Slagathor]

As president of the Michael Bishop Fan Club, I totally support McNabb's comments.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Vince Young, has a much better case to ***** than McNabb. If Vince was white, do you think he would have dropped the way he did?

If Vince Young was white he would have never made it this far throwing the ball sidearm.

I watched the Titans-Colts game Sunday and I was impressed with Young's accuracy compared to Vick, but couldn't get past the thought that you cannot get away with that in the NFL. Tell Vince Wilfork to just stay in front of him with his hands in the air and you take away the entire middle of the field.

*edit* alright, I'll go there and say what I was alluding to. Few coaches are willing to change a black kid's mechanics because of fear of racism and being the white man "holding the black man down."

If a white coach tells a white kid he sits until he changes no one blinks. If a white coach tells a black kid the same thing then he fails to understand the black kid's culture.

All it has done is hurt Young, as he's been allowed to get away with an awful habit.

 

[maverick4]

If people are going to bring up discrimination in football, how about the ridiculous fact that Norm Chow has never been offered a head coaching job in college football or in the NFL?

 

[njpatsfan]

He's taken too many shots to the head. After the Limbaugh incident no talking head that wants to keep his job would dare criticize a black QB.

This is exactly right. Limbaugh's sin was not racism. It was criticizing the media - and being right. Of course, that just earns you a retaliatory smear campaign - which is exactly what happened to him.

It's surprising that McNabb would open his mouth and say this - because it's the reverse that is so obviously true. Of course, with many flawed personalities, they can only look outside for reasons for their failures - never inside.

R

 

[taltos]

If anything, black quarterbacks are criticized less by white coaches and publically by white fans because said whites do not want to appear racist. Michael Bishop was a waste of a roster space and was hardly criticized. Rohan Davies also got very little criticizm. Both were generally just ignored.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

What a load of bollocks. Rush was guilty of having race baited and ultimately wrong in his antics. McNabb is equally guilty of playing the race card and equally wrong as Rush, but let's not whitewash Rush's antics because McNabb has proven himself to be no better and a hypocrite to boot.

Memo to McNabb: Forget the race card. All you QBs look pretty much look the same when you have your helmets on and are lined up over your center and not many care what race you happen to be underneath. How about you ease up on the Chunky soup, get yourself into better shape so that you're not tossing up the salad after games and stop making excuses. Frankly, I'm tired of them and I'm tired of hearing how you need better receivers year after year.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

The real problem is that athletic QBs in college ARE NOT BEING PREPPED FOR THE NFL.

You cannot get away with scrambling around in the NFL, you have to complete passes.

The vast majority of scrambling QBs are allowed to do that stuff in college because IT WORKS. But when they get to the NFL, the scrambling stuff DOES NOT WORK.

What McNabb ought to be complaining about is that colleges can do a better job prepping athletic QBs to play a more NFL oriented style of football, otherwise these guys just end up being projects in the NFL.

Only Vick was really fast enough to get away with scrambling at the NFL level, and he still would have been much more effective if he simply used his lazer arm. That guy could have completed all the passes in the world if he wanted to focus on that aspect of his game. But he got away with scrambling for way too long.

These QBs are coming into the league with no concept of how to play pro football.

 

[njpatsfan]

What a load of bollocks. Rush was guilty of having race baited and ultimately wrong in his antics. McNabb is equally guilty of playing the race card and equally wrong as Rush, but let's not whitewash Rush's antics because McNabb has proven himself to be no better and a hypocrite to boot.

You obviously don't understand what race-baiting is, or what was actually said - or both. Your post just proves my point (unintentionally, as usually is the case) that this ridiculous era of PC enforced by a liberal media with it's own agenda is what was at work in this case.

You don' t have to look any further than the complete SILENCE from the media in criticizing McNabb for what even you admit (at east in your own mind) is the same "crime".

There is nothing wrong with criticizing the media for a perceived bias. The fact that Limbaugh was smeared for being right, and McNabb gets a pass for being wrong shows how slanted and biased todays media really is.

As the posts here clearly show, Patriots fans are acutely aware of this. We lived through the minimization and disparagement of Brady in the media 2001-2004. From the Tuck rule, dink and dunk, any QB would be successful under BB, the list goes on and on. While at the same time all we heard on every sports news and talk shows was Vick Vick Vick, or McNabb, McNabb, McNabb. And now, it isn't that Tom Brady is a great quarterback - he "stole" all his wins.

There is clearly a double standard. But McNabb has it completely backwards. And it is perhaps precisely because we have a press who won't tell the truth that Donovon is so misguided. After all, if you are used to a cheerleader press that lavishes praise when it isn't necessarily deserved, I can understand that you would be confused when they seemingly inexplicably withdraw it.

R

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

You obviously don't understand what race-baiting is, or what was actually said - or both. Your post just proves my point (unintentionally, as usually is the case) that this ridiculous era of PC enforced by a liberal media with it's own agenda is what was at work in this case.

Actually, I know precisely what race baiting is and I've read exactly what Rush said. Is there anything else?