PatsFans: READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

[Pats67]

I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but this is one amazing account of Sunday's incident, and how and why it happened. This story deserves all the attention it can get.

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but this is one amazing account of Sunday's incident, and how and why it happened. This story deserves all the attention it can get.

Why does it deserve more attention than others? I read it, and I still have the same opinion.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

I read it...Not usually a big fan of Silver...That said, it's a good history for people that don't know the history (95% of the other teams a-holes fans spouting off). I don't disagree with a lot of it, including that this stuff is way beneath BB.

I did find it interesting that the guy that used to do, and in fact trained Estrella what to do, is Dante's nephew and now the guy in charge of the JETS video team.

Sure, they're not out there videotaping signs are they?

 

[Pats67]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

Why does it deserve more attention than others? I read it, and I still have the same opinion.

I don't know, DR. I guess out of all the things written this week, this: 1) provides the most detailed account of what happened at halftime, and 2) provides the most even handed account of the Belichick-Mangini feud, and the genesis of it, and 3) shows just how many Jets employees ascended to their current positions while participating in the same activities they now protest.

I will accept Silver's criticisms of Belichick as fair, and this helps me understand that the punishment was just. However, I haven't seen too many articles this week that turned the attention so well to where the charges came from, and why.

 

[SWelker]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

As far as the Patriots organization goes, they should just ignore everyone and everything that has to do with the Jets organization, we are a far superior team, with far superior coaches and have no reason to worry about what the Jesters do and who they bring it, we will beat them anyways.

 

[Pats67]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

As far as the Patriots organization goes, they should just ignore everyone and everything that has to do with the Jets organization, we are a far superior team, with far superior coaches and have no reason to worry about what the Jesters do and who they bring it, we will beat them anyways.

I agree - to me, the most resonant point from Silver is exactly this. Stop the stupidity and move on to what's really important.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

the stealing of that laptop is like stealing the playbook. the NFL needs to invoke a rule about that preventing that from happening

 

[SWelker]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

The Jets to me look so silly when they bring in a guy like Caldwell, what are they wasting their time for? To me the biggest thing the Jets should be spending their time on is worrying about why their #4 overall pick and guy they drafted to be a franchise tackle and to prevent guys like Richard Seymour from getting to the QB is a complete scrub. We had a backup defensive lineman in there and Jarvis was taking D'Brick to school the whole afternoon.

If I am a Jester fan I would be much more worried about how much of a stiff Ferguson is than about the Pats, but since every topic on the forum is about us, I guess its okay with them that they will be floating in mediocrity for the next 5 years, because they wasted a #4 pick on a guy who wouldn't be on the active gameday roster of the Pats.

 

[MrTibbs]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

I agree with the article. Belichick hates that team so much he just went too far and got caught.

 

[Pats726]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

Ho hum...nothing special....feel the same way...

 

[BrianPat]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

Decent read

 

[SVN]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

i hope estrella is not fined or reprimanded by the team. From what i read , the kid got frightened.
Wishing the best for him. In feud of the big guns its the little ones which get screwed always.

 

[PonyExpress]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

I don't see how BB comes off poorly at all. We learn that:
1) mangini stole confidential files from Gillette when he left to get the Jet job
2) that he set up BB with the freaking FBI at last Sunday's game
3) That he had this poor videographer interrogated by the FBI for an hour
4) That Tannenbaum was directly involved
5) That he tampered with Deion Branch
6) That he defied his mentor by taking the Jet job when BB would have helped him get any other
7) That he stole the Pats signals over the summer via Brian "Baldy McFly" Daboll.

What a tool. I fail to see how BB did anything wrong. The signals were only analyzed "after the game". Big freaking deal. This is all about Mangini being the most vile traitor.

 

[Patters]

Re: PatsFans-READ Michael Silver on Belichick and Mangini

Excellent story. It puts the events in conext and makes the scandal seem almost like a logical outcome. Belichick and Mangini are stars in their own national soap opera.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Mangini instigated it. Belichick put the policy in place and tapes every team they play. Just like the Jets do.

Mangini team was was getting trashed and needed a diversion. He got it.

He'll still get fired after the 2008 season... Other NFL coaches won't hire him, so he'll have to go to the college game. Or take up a new profession.

Nothing that Belichick did was antagonistic. His realtionship with RAC, Saban, Ferentz, etcetera show that. Mangini created the stew he finds himself in, I hope he likes to swim...

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

After reading that, Belichick felt betrayed, and I think he did what he did on purpose, to test Managini... There is a real hatred between the 2 , and the 2 teams.. Like I said those Tuna Bowl's in the late 90's will have nothing , on what is going on now..

 

[PYPER]

I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but this is one amazing account of Sunday's incident, and how and why it happened. This story deserves all the attention it can get.

Why do think highly of this article?

Its a bunch of non-sense. The guy attempts to explain the motivations and thought processes of both men without ever speaking to either of them. This is the same typical garbage that is common everywhere.

A complete waste of time.

 

[Pats67]

Why do think highly of this article?

Its a bunch of non-sense. The guy attempts to explain the motivations and thought processes of both men without ever speaking to either of them. This is the same typical garbage that is common everywhere.

A complete waste of time.

Without ever speaking to them? How in the world can you draw that conclusion? Silver covered the Patriots for years while with SI, and many of his articles contained some of the most revealing inside moments (Belichick's Marcus Pollard pre-game speech, for one) of that period. Silver has qualifications and experience to match any national writer when it comes to the Patriots to render his opinion based on his direct observations and knowledge of the team and the people involved - far more direct than any of us, I might add.

If you're reading something like this and looking for direct quotes from any of the people involved, you're just not being realistic. To discredit this account based on that is incredibly naive. The reason I liked it was not to convince anyone how to think, or feel; I linked it because out of all the stuff I've seen and read this week, it strikes me that this article may be the closest to describig the truth of what happened.

And while many of us know of many of the incidents and particulars he describes here (though I'd never heard the laptop story), I don't think I saw anyone else this week go to the effort of cataloging them in a fair manner for the purpose of explaining how this thing came to pass, thereby providing greater context than simply "Belichick is a cheater!". There was more to this story that that needlessly sensational conclusion (which too many people were only too glad to leap to).

You know what's ridiculous? That you deride this link simply based on the harsh criticisms of a man we all admire. That you dismiss the fair and reasonable observations of someone who knows that man - through direct professional interaction - far better than we ever will. I don't like that this has happened, but I can accept that the Patriots and Bill Belichick broke the rules, and maybe worse, in an incredibly careless and clumsy manner that has now stung them badly. I can accept that a coach I admire and appreciate greatly is a flawed human being who makes errors in judgement, sometimes severe, because we all are, and do. It doesn't change a thing for me as to how I feel about him, or his team, or this franchise that I have enjoyed for all of my life. It's because of my feelings for this team and this coach that I was so glad to see someone write something this week that made a fair attempt at telling the truth.

 

[Rob0729]

Here is something I don't get from the article:

When I hear about Mangini's paranoia, the secrecy over injuries, the threats of fining players whom he suspects of having given anonymous quotes or whose agents comment publicly about their clients' ailments, I think, "What a bunch of wasted energy." But I also can somewhat forgive him: He's young, and he thinks that by emulating Belichick in these ways he'll be destined for the same kind of towering success. Or perhaps he just got caught up in his "Mangenius" nickname and the guest turn on The Sopranos. Whatever: He's 36, and hopefully he'll grow up in the years to come.

Belichick is 55, and even though he's smarter than a fifth grader, he's acting like one. I've been a fan of his work from way, way back, through the post-Browns days when he was considered a classic head coaching washout, and despite his media-repellent ways we've had a good relationship for a long time. I want to see him enjoy the fruits of his labor and the legacy he has earned through hard work and exceptional acumen; I don't want to see him pushing photographers or revoking key cards or, worst of all, getting popped for cheating because he seemingly believed he could do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted, no matter who was watching.

Ok, I admit 36 is young for a head coach, but for a mature adult? I can forgive youthful indisgressions at 21, but at 36 years old? Mangini is approaching middle age. What a bogus excuse for Mangini's actions.

 

[Pats67]

Here is something I don't get from the article:



Ok, I admit 36 is young for a head coach, but for a mature adult? I can forgive youthful indisgressions at 21, but at 36 years old? Mangini is approaching middle age. What a bogus excuse for Mangini's actions.

I think it is a relative term to describe someone at the early stages of his career. But I agree with your point that youth is no reason to discount something that is character, and not age, related.