Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets cameraman?]

[nukin]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

Your post makes no sense. I do believe the Jets will be compensated with more than a 3rd round pick.

Have the schools really gone that far downhill in the Bronx?

 

[njpatsfan]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

Sorry, but the biggest problem is people like yourself who can't be bothered to actually READ what is said in posts and insist on jumping to conclusions. All Ursa said was that that is what he observed.

Have you been living under a rock ? The photo is pasted over every NFL and Sports fan website. It was referenced on WEEI. It was mentioned on FSN, and ESPN Radio. It's all the local sports stations here have been talking about. Every talking head with a web browser had the Patriots convicted before the facts were even known. Not to make ursa99 feel any worse, but in my opinion, this picture is the single biggest reason why this story has been blown so far out of proportion.

Check out this thread over at JI for example - people are actually threatening the guys life - AND IN FACT HE WORKS FOR THE JETS !
http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=151112

Pictures are powerful ways of communicating a message - and this one was a whopper. It wasn't hard (for me at least) to see how that photo could be used against us in the blogosphere.

YOU need to go back and read the thread - obviously you didn't - (pot meet kettle, surprise, surprise) and check out what happened, and how this could have been avoided..

Bravo for ursa99 for admitting his mistake. It's obvious to him - why isn't it to you ? You can say that "anyone can say anything they want" - but the bottom line is that we as fans especially need to be careful and responsible about what we say and show in our posts, lest something like this happen.

As far as editing the post ..... it was discredited even before it was posted ... and you can always ask for mods to remove a thread or post. Something that you may have seen happen on this board before.

R

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

Have you been living under a rock ? The photo is pasted over every NFL and Sports fan website. It was referenced on WEEI. It was mentioned on FSN, and ESPN Radio. It's all the local sports stations here have been talking about. Every talking head with a web browser had the Patriots convicted before the facts were even known. Not to make ursa99 feel any worse, but in my opinion, this picture is the single biggest reason why this story has been blown so far out of proportion.

I don't care what other imbeciles have done. I am talking about the fact that YOU over-reacted and didn't read what the guy said.

Check out this thread over at JI for example - people are actually threatening the guys life - AND IN FACT HE WORKS FOR THE JETS !
http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=151112

http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=151112

So, because there are some friggin idiots over on the Jets board, you feel its ok for you to make false accusations when you, yourself, don't understand the situation. Got it.

Pictures are powerful ways of communicating a message - and this one was a whopper. It wasn't hard (for me at least) to see how that photo could be used against us in the blogosphere.

YOU need to go back and read the thread - obviously you didn't - (pot meet kettle, surprise, surprise) and check out what happened, and how this could have been avoided..

I read the thread. Nothing he did was wrong. He stated his opinion and then, later, retracted it. Unfortunately, he couldn't delete the picture because of the limited editing functions that the board has. That's not his fault. And you are ignorant for trashing him because he couldn't take it down.

Bravo for ursa99 for admitting his mistake. It's obvious to him - why isn't it to you ? You can say that "anyone can say anything they want" - but the bottom line is that we as fans especially need to be careful and responsible about what we say and show in our posts, lest something like this happen.

It was obvious to me when he admitted it in the thread initially. Why the hell should he get smeared by YOU because of a function that is out of his control. Only because of idiots did he have to go beyond what he said in his original post.

As far as editing the post ..... it was discredited even before it was posted ... and you can always ask for mods to remove a thread or post. Something that you may have seen happen on this board before.

R

Damn, you are WRONG. It wasn't discredited before it was posted. It couldn't have been discredited before it was posted because no one knew what sequence Ursa was referring to.

Yes, the Mods could have, and probably should have removed the thread. Again, how is that Ursa's fault?

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

BTW, NJPATSFAN, if you had stopped and thought for a minute about this, you'd have also thought about the fact that here was a guy, with a video camera on the JETS sidelines with no video vest on who happens to be a Jets employee... Hmm... I thought there was NO VIDEOING allowed on the sidelines?

Sure looks like a double standard since that wasn't one of the sideline crew for the broadcast....

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

BTW, NJPATSFAN, if you had stopped and thought for a minute about this, you'd have also thought about the fact that here was a guy, with a video camera on the JETS sidelines with no video vest on who happens to be a Jets employee... Hmm... I thought there was NO VIDEOING allowed on the sidelines?

Sure looks like a double standard since that wasn't one of the sideline crew for the broadcast....

Hmmmmmmmm, interesting question isn't it. Wonder what was on that video tape.

 

[ursa99]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

FWIW, I did try and remove it but was unable to due to how the board is setup.

I am amused by the fact that the guy I did show is video taping like crazy. If he is a Jets employee then THEY have some explaining to do.

Once again sorry for the poor judgement and I hope we can all stop our infighting and focus it on the Chargers. Now isn't LT someone we can all go after?

Ursa

 

[BigMike]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

Rename The Title Of This Thread To Evidence Jets Are Cheating!!!!

 

[mtbykr]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

You are right Shmessy, I am surprised I have not heard more about this.

Actually they are talking about it now on WEEI. He is a Jets employee and was using Jets credentials. So he was doing the exact same job on the jets sideline (for the jets) that the pats guy was on the pats sideline...except now we have cameragate on us

 

[njpatsfan]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

BTW, NJPATSFAN, if you had stopped and thought for a minute about this, you'd have also thought about the fact that here was a guy, with a video camera on the JETS sidelines with no video vest on who happens to be a Jets employee....

Of course, if you had actually read the original thread, you would have seen that coodhardfootballfacts.com, in their debunking of the photo, had said that a Patriots beat writer had emailed in and identified him. If a Patriots beat writer identifies him as one of the media - then I'm pretty sure that's about as good as it gets.

Unless you think CHFF is in on the conspiracy.

You're about a day late and a couple hundred dollars short.

R

 

[PatsWorldChamps]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited

FWIW, I did try and remove it but was unable to due to how the board is setup.

I am amused by the fact that the guy I did show is video taping like crazy. If he is a Jets employee then THEY have some explaining to do.

Once again sorry for the poor judgement and I hope we can all stop our infighting and focus it on the Chargers. Now isn't LT someone we can all go after?

Ursa

what did i miss? why would you be sorry? you exposed the jets as cheaters!

 

[Dr Pain]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

What am I missing? coldhardfootballfacts says they don't know who he is and that "A Patriots beat reporter wrote to us this morning to say that this person circled below is NOT the person in question."

Many more photos of this guy have shown up and he is seen on the tape of the game.


Where does it say he has been identified as media? I just don't see this as debunked. He was there. We still don’t know who he was or why he was there. If those are answered, this can be debunked.

 

[miDeuce]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

We have to get word of this out there. All we need to ask is someone tell us who this guy is. Most reporters will blow us off as crazy Pats fans with conspiracy theories but there is SOMETHING NOT RIGHT. Until we know who this guy shooting the pats sideline during Jets offensive possesions not wearing any kind of media vest there's a possibility that this is evidence that the Jets were doing the same thing to the Pats. Please email Florio, Reiss, Shaliza, the NFL, anyone you can think of. It's worth a shot....

 

[Dr Pain]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

I got a response, they know who he is and he works for the Jets. It had not occurred to them that they were doing the same thing since the photos show him aiming at the Jets while the Patriots offense was out. I told him to look at the film to see what he is shooting while the Patriots defense is out. Also that it is the same infraction the Jets did.


i think because they are press, they don't see anything wrong even though this is clearly against the rules. We don't know what he filmed as they didn't grab the film but that is not the point. That he is there is the same bad thing the Patriots did so the penalty would be the same. Stealing signals is not the infraction, its having the cameraman.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

I couldn't help myself. I e-mailed Felger. I feel dirty.

 

[PantsB]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

I got a response, they know who he is and he works for the Jets. It had not occurred to them that they were doing the same thing since the photos show him aiming at the Jets while the Patriots offense was out. I told him to look at the film to see what he is shooting while the Patriots defense is out. Also that it is the same infraction the Jets did.


i think because they are press, they don't see anything wrong even though this is clearly against the rules. We don't know what he filmed as they didn't grab the film but that is not the point. That he is there is the same bad thing the Patriots did so the penalty would be the same. Stealing signals is not the infraction, its having the cameraman.

Would it be possible to post the actual email? If we know who is knowingly ignoring this angle, we can voice displeasure in a more effective way and use as evidence on the intertubes.

 

[Dr Pain]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

Would it be possible to post the actual email? If we know who is knowingly ignoring this angle, we can voice displeasure in a more effective way and use as evidence on the intertubes.

I will give him a chance to see what he does with as he would have no idea I was writing here. I wouldn’t want to get him in trouble as he is the only person who responded. I wouldn't want him to get in troble for that. He is from Hearst though.

1st contact

I wrote on one of the contact us pages asking who he the guy in the photo was and sending the photo link

2 Email in response

Actually, that's not him (the guy in the picture is a Jets employee according to our photographer, who knows him). Matt, the "guilty" photographer, interned here a couple of years ago... and that is not him. _________________________________


3 Email to him

Thanks,

So as a Jets employee filming he broke the same rule the Patriots did?


4 Email from him

And I totally missed the point of your e-mail!

Consider this... the shooters do have that kind of access (as do ours)... but if the Jets guy was doing bad things, he wouldn't be shooting his own team!


5 Email to him

If you watch the game film, He is shooting while the Patriots defense is out and not the game but the Patriots.

6 Email to him

Also stealing signals is not against the rules, it was having the cameraman on the sideline. We won't know if he did steal signals since he didn't get stopped but by just being there he committed the same offense as the Patriots.

7 Email from him

Not necessarily. There are dozens of photographers on the sidelines during a game. Our guy could have shot the Jets coaches without anyone noticing. What is banned is team employees shooting coaches giving signals. It's rather specific.

Actually, when you add it all up, considering Mangini knew the shooter, it's starting to sound like a sting!

8 Email to him

Ah, I though he was a Jets employee. That is specifically prohibited per the rules I believe as there are only the 3 designated places they can shoot from and not from the field. If he is a media member with access then that is a different story. If he is a Jets person then they broke the same rules the Patriots did.

Is he a Jets person?

Thank you,


No more emails

No response after that. He initially said he was a Jets employee. I don’t think he understood the ramifications of that.

 

[miDeuce]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

Hard to follow that correspondance for me, but does it seem like once you put all the pieces together for him he stopped talking. Perhaps realizing you were right? Am I reading too much into it? The guys seems clueless as to what the rules are exactly.

 

[Dr Pain]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

Email 9 to him

Please look at this page from the link below and it's two photos clipped from TV. There are about 100 patriots fans working on this now at a bunch of sites but no one from the media seems to get it. If he is a Jets employee they are subject to the same penalty as the Patriots. Stealing signals is not against the rules, its filming on the sideline that is. If he is a Jets employee it’s a slam dunk. If he is not then it is meaningless. You said in your first response he was a Jets employee.

Thank you,

Paul

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/showthread.php?p=520839&posted=1#post520839


Email 10 from him

But wouldn't our cameraman also be guilty of breaking the rules?

It's a moot point now though... check out our website for the ruling.

Email 11 to him

I think you are missing my point or question. If he is a Jets employee this is a violation of the same rule the Patriots broke. If he is media then it is a non issue. Is he a Jets employee? Do you know? Sorry to be a pain but you are the only person nice enough to have responded and we are all dying to find out?

Thanks,


Email 12 from him

That's true. I'll think about this more once we get past tonight's madness.


No problem... I enjoy the occasional debate.


Email 13 to him

Thanks,

1 more photo of him aiming at the Patriots sideline while the Patriots defense is out. The post # 142 showing a shot a 4:25 in the 3rd.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/showthread.php?p=520951&posted=1#post520951

 

[PantsB]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

Email 9 to him

Please look at this page from the link below and it's two photos clipped from TV. There are about 100 patriots fans working on this now at a bunch of sites but no one from the media seems to get it. If he is a Jets employee they are subject to the same penalty as the Patriots. Stealing signals is not against the rules, its filming on the sideline that is. If he is a Jets employee it’s a slam dunk. If he is not then it is meaningless. You said in your first response he was a Jets employee.

Thank you,

Paul

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/showthread.php?p=520839&posted=1#post520839


Email 10 from him

But wouldn't our cameraman also be guilty of breaking the rules?

It's a moot point now though... check out our website for the ruling.

Email 11 to him

I think you are missing my point or question. If he is a Jets employee this is a violation of the same rule the Patriots broke. If he is media then it is a non issue. Is he a Jets employee? Do you know? Sorry to be a pain but you are the only person nice enough to have responded and we are all dying to find out?

Thanks,


Email 12 from him

That's true. I'll think about this more once we get past tonight's madness.


No problem... I enjoy the occasional debate.


Email 13 to him

Thanks,

1 more photo of him aiming at the Patriots sideline while the Patriots defense is out. The post # 142 showing a shot a 4:25 in the 3rd.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/showthread.php?p=520951&posted=1#post520951

Hopefully once tonights drama about the issue is over he puts together the implications and gets himself a scoop. Something pretty similar happened last year with the Ellis Hobbs face guarding thing. I checked the rulebook and had the exact place it said face guarding was legal. I sent a (less polite than it should have been) rebuttal to a Q&A column on the jaguars official site of all things and by the end of the week up to a few weeks ago I would get asked if I was the guy who the newspapers were using as the source (they only used my name and hometown but people guessed).

The point is if you push it, someone can realize you've done almost all their legwork for them and given them a story - one that could go national in this case - they can run with and advance their own individual ambition while getting the word out.

 

[PantsB]

Re: Sticky Please: "Smoking gun" photo discredited [Update: Jets camerman?]

Yes, we know Merriman is a cheater, thats old news, we don't need a smoking gun.