Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour...

[patsox23]

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/patriots/

Note on Seymour
Posted by John Tomase at 11:27 pm

This was tucked at the bottom of today’s Patriots notebook, but it’s worth noting, simply because there’s been precious little to report about Richard Seymour’s surgically repaired left knee — Seymour was spotted working out in the weight room on Monday, wearing a sleeve that covered virtually his entire leg. He appeared to be moving OK, for whatever that’s worth.

Seymour is on the physically unable to perform list and will miss at least the first six games of the season. It’s possible he suffered a setback of some kind this month, because in early August he was running through a series of agility drills on a side field with other injured players, like Kyle Brady, and he didn’t appear to be favoring either leg at the time.

 

[DarrylS]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Doesn't sound good, but it is not clear what that means.. could it be a device to improve circulation or something like that or is it something to immobilize the knee..

 

[SaCaCh]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Hmm, this could be an infection issue. Those can get very nasty depending on what kind you get and could be why his status for the year is up in the air because you just don't know when it will subside.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Doesn't seem good at all....I saw the PFT blurb and..a year????

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

It's another "throw a dart against the wall" piece because he has nothing else to write about.

 

[patchick]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

It's another "throw a dart against the wall" piece because he has nothing else to write about.

And he says as much up front. But the leg sleeve is the most concrete information we've gotten so far on Seymour (which goes to show you how little anybody really knows!)

 

[Metaphors]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Seymour was spotted working out in the weight room on Monday, wearing a sleeve that covered virtually his entire leg. He appeared to be moving OK, for whatever that’s worth.

This is what I would expect if he was just still trying to get to 100% with the knee. He is not going to take the field for another 6+ weeks so stabilizing the knee during workouts would seem to be prudent. If he wasn't working out or if it was a bulky brace that restricted mobility, I would be really concerned. I still think that the Pats and Seymour didn't want him to take the field until he was 100% given the trials of last season. If that is the case, I'm all for it...will only benefit Seymour physically and mentally.

Who knows what the real situation is. I just haven't seen anything yet that "smells" like a real setback. Just a slow recovery and a desire to be completely healthy. Seymour has been around camp for quite a while now and he is hard to hide. I would think there would be direct evidence of a setback instead of just drawing conclusions based on the pace of recovery.

 

[shmessy]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

And he says as much up front. But the leg sleeve is the most concrete information we've gotten so far on Seymour (which goes to show you how little anybody really knows!)

I agree. That was something that I'm glad someone could report.

BB gives out nothing, and I appreciate Tomase being the only one to get at least this info.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Truth be told, a setback is one thing whereas the knee not responding as hoped, which is how Reiss' characterized it in his Q&A session yesterday, is a lot more troubling from a long term implications standpoint. If Richard gets "hurt" a lot, and he doesn't respond well (either in ability to play well through injury or rebound from it in a reasonable time frame), it doesn't bode well for his career from a durability/value standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't why he is on an unusual 3 year extension for a player of his talent at this age and we have rolled a first (which could be a good one after watching Alex Smith and the 49'ers in pre season) into the future.

Some thought it was beyond bizarre when they gave Jarvis Green the money they did a few years ago. Others thought it was just a hedge against getting Richard locked up long term and Green would be dealt once Richard was locked up. Perhaps it was already insurance against a nagging concern that for all his talent, Richard might not stand up due to durability issues. His rookie deal was heavily incentivized and even though he made multiple pro bowls he wasn't fully cashing in because his escalators also partially tied to playing time and even personal (as opposed to team) appearances in playoff games, which he missed a couple of in 2004. That is likely why he essentially demanded a redo in 2005 pending a new deal in 2006. He wasn't making his escalators, despite repeated pro bowl nods, because he was missing late season games due to injury.

Last year he played through injuries, with cash in hand, but he proved to be far less effective than usual. He seems to be one of those ultra talented players that 80% of just doesn't cut it. Like all of us, coaches value talent, but they crave consistency when building a roster and forging a team. Nothing you can do matters (or helps them) unless you can do it on the field consistently. By the time the dust settles on this installment of the Seymour saga, he will have missed an entire regular season or 1/7th of his entire career, and nearly a third of the last 38-40 regular season games his team has played. That's just not good.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

It's another "throw a dart against the wall" piece because he has nothing else to write about.

Oh good CHRIST, you people are absolutely relentless and pathetic in spinning every single thing that guy reports as some sort of conspiratiorial B.S. YOU guys have way, wayyyyyyy less credibility than he does.

 

[DaBruinz]

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I agree. That was something that I'm glad someone could report.

BB gives out nothing, and I appreciate Tomase being the only one to get at least this info.

Why is that?

As someone who has had knee surgery previously, let me let everyone in on a little tidbit. Most people who have knee surgeries end up getting some kind of knee brace to help them with the stability for the first few months. Because of the materials that are used, the brace can slide up and down on some people. To prevent this from happening, they provide long "sleeve" or tube material to go under the brace. This prevents the brace from sliding and is, generally, the length of ones leg.

It could look like a "SLEEVE." Some people leave them on after they have taken the brace off because the material has a wicking affect as well.

Now, I don't know if that is the "SLEEVE" that Seymour was wearing, but Tomase didn't exactly say what Seymour was doing for weights either. If Seymour was just benching, then it could also be an immobilizer, but they are more than just a "sleeve". If Seymour was doing squats or something, then I am not worried at all.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Oh good CHRIST, you people are absolutely relentless and pathetic in spinning every single thing that guy reports as some sort of conspiratiorial B.S. YOU guys have way, wayyyyyyy less credibility than he does.

Oh, good CHRIST, you are absolutely relentless and pathetic in your hero worship of Tomase and defending him as if everything he reports is correct. Tomase has wayyyyyy less credibility than many people on this board.

Why is it that you throw a tantrum every time someone questions Tomase' veracity? Seriously. Either you are Tomase or your a relative or something. That's how you come across anyways...

 

[Phoenix111]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Truth be told, a setback is one thing whereas the knee not responding as hoped, which is how Reiss' characterized it in his Q&A session yesterday, is a lot more troubling from a long term implications standpoint. If Richard gets "hurt" a lot, and he doesn't respond well (either in ability to play well through injury or rebound from it in a reasonable time frame), it doesn't bode well for his career from a durability/value standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't why he is on an unusual 3 year extension for a player of his talent at this age and we have rolled a first (which could be a good one after watching Alex Smith and the 49'ers in pre season) into the future.

Some thought it was beyond bizarre when they gave Jarvis Green the money they did a few years ago. Others thought it was just a hedge against getting Richard locked up long term and Green would be dealt once Richard was locked up. Perhaps it was already insurance against a nagging concern that for all his talent, Richard might not stand up due to durability issues. His rookie deal was heavily incentivized and even though he made multiple pro bowls he wasn't fully cashing in because his escalators also partially tied to playing time and even personal (as opposed to team) appearances in playoff games, which he missed a couple of in 2004. That is likely why he essentially demanded a redo in 2005 pending a new deal in 2006. He wasn't making his escalators, despite repeated pro bowl nods, because he was missing late season games due to injury.

Last year he played through injuries, with cash in hand, but he proved to be far less effective than usual. He seems to be one of those ultra talented players that 80% of just doesn't cut it. Like all of us, coaches value talent, but they crave consistency when building a roster and forging a team. Nothing you can do matters (or helps them) unless you can do it on the field consistently. By the time the dust settles on this installment of the Seymour saga, he will have missed an entire regular season or 1/7th of his entire career, and nearly a third of the last 38-40 regular season games his team has played. That's just not good.

I know I'm going to either a)get ripped for this or b) be called a chicken little, but Seymour is just turning into disappointment lately. All things currently considered I think he is severely overpaid and overrated in the media (not that that really matters). The front office hands over this lucrative deal for him and since then he seems to have faded. Most will say that players' injuries are not necessarily their faults. True, but it's not the team's fault that those players (Seymour) are injury prone. And that is exactly the case here, Seymour appears to be very susceptible to injury and can no longer be depended upon. Again, yes I know, 2 gap 3-4 DE that takes on upwards of 600 pounds on one play repeatedly. But that is his job and he now struggles to complete that job.

What I'm saying here is that I really wish that the FO didn't sign that deal which has tied us to Seymour when we could have possibly (I know, I know hear it comes) dealt him for something valuable. Not like the front office could looked in a crystal ball and seen the future pile up of Seymour injuries, but it would have been nice.

Ok, let the ripping begin.

 

[PatsFan37]

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Something we've heard consistently from BB, which sometimes gets tossed off as obfuscation, is that players that are almost ready to go at the beginning of camp are placed on PUP in case of a setback during recovery.

Obviously Seymour had a setback and it's troubling because the surgery was a while ago and it's logical to think that arthroscopic surgery to 'clean up the joint' shouldn't take this long.

The only other facts are the sleeve on his leg. A rumor is simply a rumor, not a fact, though it's also troubling because it might have been leaked by someone inside Gillette.

If it was a less important player, he might be on IR. With Seymour we'll have to resign ourselves to not knowing for 6-9 weeks.

I watched the Jets playoff game again last night and Seymour was immense, shredding the oline and penetrating the backfield on play after play. We'll miss him Sunday.

OTOH, I'm not worried about the Jets. The time they save planning for Seymour they'll need to spend on Adalius Thomas.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

I know I'm going to either a)get ripped for this or b) be called a chicken little, but Seymour is just turning into disappointment lately. All things currently considered I think he is severely overpaid and overrated in the media (not that that really matters). The front office hands over this lucrative deal for him and since then he seems to have faded. Most will say that players' injuries are not necessarily their faults. True, but it's not the team's fault that those players (Seymour) are injury prone. And that is exactly the case here, Seymour appears to be very susceptible to injury and can no longer be depended upon. Again, yes I know, 2 gap 3-4 DE that takes on upwards of 600 pounds on one play repeatedly. But that is his job and he now struggles to complete that job.

What I'm saying here is that I really wish that the FO didn't sign that deal which has tied us to Seymour when we could have possibly (I know, I know hear it comes) dealt him for something valuable. Not like the front office could looked in a crystal ball and seen the future pile up of Seymour injuries, but it would have been nice.

Ok, let the ripping begin.

Wow! All I can say is WOW!

 

[PatsFan37]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Ok, let the ripping begin.

Let me be the first.
It's when a player slacks off in TC or in rehab after a big contract that I would complain. Seymour had multiple injuries last year and came back to play at a high level (I'd encourage to watch the playoff game against the Jets). Rodney had multiple injuries, came back to play at a high level, was injured again and came back to play well in TC.

Injuries are disappointing but say nothing about the player. It's their response to the injury that says everything. Guys like Seymour and Harrison and Bruschi and Seau do everything they can to play through pain and get back on the field.

It costs you nothing to root for them.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

I know I'm going to either a)get ripped for this or b) be called a chicken little, but Seymour is just turning into disappointment lately. All things currently considered I think he is severely overpaid and overrated in the media (not that that really matters). The front office hands over this lucrative deal for him and since then he seems to have faded. Most will say that players' injuries are not necessarily their faults. True, but it's not the team's fault that those players (Seymour) are injury prone. And that is exactly the case here, Seymour appears to be very susceptible to injury and can no longer be depended upon. Again, yes I know, 2 gap 3-4 DE that takes on upwards of 600 pounds on one play repeatedly. But that is his job and he now struggles to complete that job.

What I'm saying here is that I really wish that the FO didn't sign that deal which has tied us to Seymour when we could have possibly (I know, I know hear it comes) dealt him for something valuable. Not like the front office could looked in a crystal ball and seen the future pile up of Seymour injuries, but it would have been nice.

Ok, let the ripping begin.

I share your frustration, and I too fear that Seymour will be hampered by injuries for the rest of his career. Yeah it would have been nice if the FO could see the future but they can't, and few thought the Seymour contract was bad at the time.

I just hope that once recovered he remains injury-free and makes our concerns seem silly.

 

[NE39]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

I know I'm going to either a)get ripped for this or b) be called a chicken little, but Seymour is just turning into disappointment lately. All things currently considered I think he is severely overpaid and overrated in the media (not that that really matters).

Players get hurt in the NFL. It isn't their fault, it goes hand-in-hand with playing.

You can't blame Seymour for getting an injury. That is just dumb.

 

[Phoenix111]

Re: Tomase with an interesting observation on Seymour....

Let me be the first.
It's when a player slacks off in TC or in rehab after a big contract that I would complain. Seymour had multiple injuries last year and came back to play at a high level (I'd encourage to watch the playoff game against the Jets). Rodney had multiple injuries, came back to play at a high level, was injured again and came back to play well in TC.

Injuries are disappointing but say nothing about the player. It's their response to the injury that says everything. Guys like Seymour and Harrison and Bruschi and Seau do everything they can to play through pain and get back on the field.

It costs you nothing to root for them.

You're right about the Jets game, I do remember him playing well. I think my problem is that the SD game is more fresh in my head. Watching McNeil push Seymour back and out of plays was not good viewing.

And I agree about the fact that Seymour has definitely not shown signs of slacking in regards to work ethic, he's just injury prone. If he comes back healthy and dominant this year then all is well and I will forget I ever made that post. It's just a frustration build up with his constantly being banged up.

 

[jimmyjames]

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Much ado about nothing.
http://www.jumpusa.com/basketball_l...=leg sleeves&gclid=COGXqpfbrI4CFReQGgoduRZeYg

Before the NBA banned them there were a lot of players wearing those sleeves in almost every game last year. Kobe Bryant comes to mind instantly.

Liek Da Bruinz said, most people who have suffered a knee injury will wear some sort of brace or sleeve when they exercise. It's mostly for circulation and compression.

A setback would have to involve crutches and a limp