PFT: Seymour could miss season

[pats1]

When was the last time that Florio got a Pats rumor that was anywhere in the ballpark even, that wasn't reported by someone else first? I can't think of one that springs to mind off the bat. Unlike, with say, the Colts, and Booger McFarland being out, or Merriman and steroids. When it comes to the Pats, it seems like he just throws stuff up there and prays something sticks, and it rarely if ever does. So we should be quick to dismiss stuff he says about the Pats, positive or negative, because he has a horrendous track record concerning them.

Again, it's not him throwing the stuff up, it's his sources. And of course these sources have a tough job - the Pats, I'm certain, throw up more smoke signals than anyone out there.

Let's not kill the messenger. When Florio hears these things from the sources that usually give him good info, he has no choice but to post them.

 

[Rob0729]

I know. I dismissed him when he said Randy Moss was going to be cut, and look what happened. Reche Caldwell was cut!!!!!! And so was Bam Childress and Kelvin Kight!!!!!

He isn't spreading rumors. He's making them up. He's like Felger: anything that will get people to listen to him or talk about him is good.

He isn't making them up. Tomase heard the Moss rumor long before Florio reported it on his site. Florio posts almost all rumors that come to him. I have seen him post rumors from anonymous e-mailers before. That is the nature of his site.

Again, no one has ever given me a way he benefits from making up rumors that ultimately are proven wrong. It hurts his credibility. If he just makes up rumors all the time that don't come true, people will stop reading his site. I think it is crazy to think he makes up rumors just to get traffic. There isn't anything worse for him by posting rumors that don't come true.

 

[Rob0729]

Oh ha ha - and we know how much Borges loves Seymour!! It must be true!

The players in general like Borges. Why do you think Branch gave him the exclusive last year? Borges is a pro players, anti-management writer. I'm sure that Seymour didn't like his comments when he was drafted, but that was six years ago,

 

[pats1]

He isn't making them up. Tomase heard the Moss rumor long before Florio reported it on his site. Florio posts almost all rumors that come to him. I have seen him post rumors from anonymous e-mailers before. That is the nature of his site.

Again, no one has ever given me a way he benefits from making up rumors that ultimately are proven wrong. It hurts his credibility. If he just makes up rumors all the time that don't come true, people will stop reading his site. I think it is crazy to think he makes up rumors just to get traffic. There isn't anything worse for him by posting rumors that don't come true.

Exactly.

I think the best analogy I can make is that Florio is like an RSS reader. You can't blame the RSS reader for giving you bad stories (the most it can do is mark the Cimini story unread).

Florio is only as strong as his sources and readers make him. I probably send a handful of e-mails to him every month, almost all of which he acts on. The last was a response to his note about how the Broncos hadn't posted their cuts on their website. I found the story on their site, sent it to him, and he posted an update on that story to the tune of "We were wr-wr-wr-wr-mistaken about this. The list was posted last night; we were unable to find it on Sunday morning without a reader sending us the list." And I also send him blog postings or minor stories that would otherwise go unnoticed, or, in the case of Baugher's situation, postings from here and PP that he mentioned on the site.

 

[PatsFanDan]

My only concern here is that one would have thought Seymour would have healed from a scope by now. For him to be PUP'd to start the season was a little bit of a surprise.

Obviously the FO per usual is keeping the details of his injury close to the vest. But you have to wonder how serious the surgery was and/or what the complications of it have been.

And let me just say, I'm not buying into all of the Seymour is often injured arguments and can't stay on the field stuff. I think it's a joke that folks were ripping this guy this past weekend.

But I am definitely concerned and here's hoping that Wilfork or Warren can stay healthy. I do believe they can win without Seymour but things become complicated if 2 of the big 3 go down. The depth allows them to rotate guys in and out situationally but once you start relying on backups to play significant amounts of time, weaknesses can be exposed.

 

[Rob0729]

When was the last time that Florio got a Pats rumor that was anywhere in the ballpark even, that wasn't reported by someone else first? I can't think of one that springs to mind off the bat. Unlike, with say, the Colts, and Booger McFarland being out, or Merriman and steroids. When it comes to the Pats, it seems like he just throws stuff up there and prays something sticks, and it rarely if ever does. So we should be quick to dismiss stuff he says about the Pats, positive or negative, because he has a horrendous track record concerning them.

He wasn't the first to hear the Moss rumor, just the first to report it. When was the last time you heard Florio post a rumor before anyone else about the Pats. Again, Borges already reported the Seymour thing.

 

[BelichickFan]

My three comments are :

1) Of course there's reason for concern, if he hasn't healed in 6 months+ it's reasonable that he may not in the next 6 weeks.

2) He's sopreading a rumor of a rumor. That's inherently a low percentage shot. Could be true but a rumor of a rumor is just that.

3) Not sure that Tomase hearing a rumor on Moss before PFT means that much - and who's to say that Tomase isn't their source ?

 

[Richter]

Exactly.

I think the best analogy I can make is that Florio is like an RSS reader. You can't blame the RSS reader for giving you bad stories (the most it can do is mark the Cimini story unread).

You keep saying he hears this stuff from sources, but do you really know that for certain? Of course not. And you'd think after having such a poor track record, he'd either use some discretion and filter out the stuff these sources give him about the Patriots, or find some better sources. I don't find it outside the realm of possibility that he could hear something and embellish on it, if not spin a "rumor" out of whole cloth and throw it up there to generate a few hits. There'd be no repercussions, after all, it's just a rumor site. I just think you're assigning him more credibility than it's safe to assume.

 

[fgssand]

1) Website hits = $$$$$$$$$$

1) Whip up Patriot fans into a frenzy = website hits

1+1= Borges, Shaugnessey, Felger school of publicity, good or bad, real or imagined is all good.

They play us gullible souls like a Stradivarius!!

That is one reason why I love BB so much and "they" (most media) hates him, he will not be played.

IMHO - obviously Seymour's knee has not responded as well and as soon as was hoped for. However, I do not think it is a season ender by any means, were it so, or even close, moves would have already been made. An additional scope would have been done to assess (maybe this has happened).

Let's just sit back and wait for 6 weeks to zip on by...meanwhile, be very happy we have Jarvis Green & Wright - VERY capable back ups to go with our two blue chippers. Maybe we get something good out of Brown and maybe Le Kevin Smith's jump from rookie to 2nd season will indeed be a quantum leap??

Without Seymour, we still have one of the top DL's in the NFL.

 

[patchick]

Just a scant few days ago a poll here asked who would start the season on PUP; not a single soul said Seymour. Threads expressing concern about his health were ridiculed. Everybody knew, knew that the team was just taking it easy on him. Now we just know that he'll be back in six weeks? Based on what?

Of course there's now cause for concern. None of us has a clue what the exact nature of the problem is, but what we do know is that it's big enough to keep him sidelined from the offseason until at least the middle of the schedule. And that it involves the knees of a very big, very heavy man. Count me officially concerned until I see Big Sey back in uniform.

Get well soon, Richard.

 

[psychoPat]

.... What I ask about Big Sey is, obviously, regardless of how long he's out, he's out a minimum of 6, if he's out 6, then appears something went wrong. I cannot imagine BB and Co. just want to rest the guy.

No doubt, they are not happy to lose him for the first 6 or more.

Suppose, though, the rumormonger is wrong.
The man who absorbs the battering of double-teamed blocking almost every play
misses the first 6 or 7 games of a 19- or 20-game season.
He does play in the final dozen or so.

Wouldn't you rather have him in THOSE games
than in the first dozen - before becoming an invalid?

 

[RayClay]

A league source tells us that there are rumors on the NFL grapevine that Patriots defensive end Richard Seymour will miss the entire 2007 season.

So a league source was told this by a grape? :bricks: :bricks: :bricks:

 

[Gunnails]

Sorry about the Seymour, always hate to see a gladiator like him go down.

Even if the Pats were aware that the injury could keep Seymour out for the season, what could they do, it's not like defensive ends for 3/4 defense grow on trees.

Best the Jets could come up with was Bowen.

Point is the Pats probaly are not getting taken by surprise here.

 

[patsox23]

Honestly, what a bunch of sorry little ****!es. God. We'll find out when we find out, and we'll G-damn win anyway.

 

[wdkantro2]

Seems like a lot of people are starting to think what I've thought for awhile...PFT is a waste of space! They literally can put anything they want up there and people will read it.

 

[QuiGon]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I am sure BB will be commenting on this rumor at his earliest opportunity and clear things up.

 

[Gunnails]

No doubt, they are not happy to lose him for the first 6 or more.

Suppose, though, the rumormonger is wrong.
The man who absorbs the battering of double-teamed blocking almost every play
misses the first 6 or 7 games of a 19- or 20-game season.
He does play in the final dozen or so.

Wouldn't you rather have him in THOSE games
than in the first dozen - before becoming an invalid?

Given the choice I would rather he be ready at play off time. Thats like asking would you rather be stabbed in the elbow or the knee, I'd rather not be stabbed at all.

 

[He Ban Me]

No doubt, they are not happy to lose him for the first 6 or more.

Suppose, though, the rumormonger is wrong.
The man who absorbs the battering of double-teamed blocking almost every play
misses the first 6 or 7 games of a 19- or 20-game season.
He does play in the final dozen or so.

Wouldn't you rather have him in THOSE games
than in the first dozen - before becoming an invalid?

I don't know that I think his roster spot is that valuable. If he's not hurt, but you want to keep him fresh, then rotate him more. What type of shape do you think he will be in for week 7? I suppose if you think Jarvis is a great back up, then it works, but then, why have him on your team at all? I just don't see BB stashing him there on purpose, that's all.

 

[signbabybrady]

I really hope this is BS

Sey will be a nasty addition when he is ready

 

[Gunnails]

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If only HGH was available to Seymour, maybe he would be ready week 1.

Not that Seymour would do such a thing of course.