Why do you think they kept Gutierrez?

[zippo59]

Probably cause BB does not have tons of faith in Cassell's ability should Brady go down,He needs another alternative if Cassell goes in and sucks.

Personally I would rather see Guiterrez give it a try than Cassell,I am just not high up on Matt and nothing I have seen in preseason from matt makes me any more confident he is the right guy at #2.

If Brady went down he would NOT put Gutierrez in over Cassel. That would be just crazy.

I don't see how people can have that strong an opinion fo Cassel. We have seen so little of him but overall I have been very happy with what I've seen. He hasn't been all world aor anything. I honestly don't know what people expect to see out of a back-up QB who hasn't started a game since high school.

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I think it comes down to the fact that the team wanted to carry three quarterbacks and they knew they could cut Vinny without another team picking him up but that was not the case with Gutierrez.

 

[patchick]

Personally I would rather see Guiterrez give it a try than Cassell,I am just not high up on Matt and nothing I have seen in preseason from matt makes me any more confident he is the right guy at #2.

So which of our two backups is "Matt" and which is "matt"?

Personally, I don't know quite what to think of Cassel at this point. He seems to press a bit when he's in there, but the longer he's in the game the better he generally gets. I suspect he might be a pleasant surprise if (heaven forbid) he knew in advance that he had to start a game and were able to practice as the #1 for the week. And given what we've seen from other teams' backups, I don't consider the position a weakness.

Idle question: has any team ever fielded 3 QBs, none of whom was drafted before the 6th round?

 

[unoriginal]

Idle question: has any team ever fielded 3 QBs, none of whom was drafted before the 6th round?

1998 Washington Redskins, who fielded Gus Frerotte (7th round), Trent Green (8th round), and two undrafted rookies.

1996 Chicago Bears, who fielded Erik Kramer (undrafted), Shane Matthews (undrafted), and Dave Krieg (undrafted), in addition to Steve Stenstrom (4th round).

There are probably many more.

 

[unoriginal]

Can't believe I didn't think of this team:

1994-1996 Minnesota Vikings: Brad Johnson (9th round), Warren Moon (undrafted), Jay Walker (7th round), Sean Salisbury (undrafted),

 

[Water Boy]

My guesses:

- This is the perfect time for them to add a young developmental QB. Cassel is 100% out the door after 2008.

Why does everyone assume Cassell will be gone after 2008? I don't see a team giving up a high draft pick for him at this point and resigning him would not cost a lot in cap space. I'd like to have a guy who's been in the system a number of years as a backup.

 

[patchick]

Why does everyone assume Cassell will be gone after 2008? I don't see a team giving up a high draft pick for him at this point and resigning him would not cost a lot in cap space. I'd like to have a guy who's been in the system a number of years as a backup.

I just assume that if Cassel has any fire in him whatsoever he'll make a beeline for a team where he has a chance to compete for playing time. This is what, his 7th straight year as a football player who never gets to play football? It would be bizarre for him to choose to stay if he had other options.

 

[patchick]

1998 Washington Redskins, who fielded Gus Frerotte (7th round), Trent Green (8th round), and two undrafted rookies.

1996 Chicago Bears, who fielded Erik Kramer (undrafted), Shane Matthews (undrafted), and Dave Krieg (undrafted), in addition to Steve Stenstrom (4th round).

1994-1996 Minnesota Vikings: Brad Johnson (9th round), Warren Moon (undrafted), Jay Walker (7th round), Sean Salisbury (undrafted),

Nicely done! I knew there had to be examples, I'm impressed you were able to call them to mind.

That execrable '96 Bears lineup reminds you what an extraordinary streak of lousy QBs they've had.

 

[psychoPat]

Your sarcasm is much appreciated, since I think I implied in the OP that I wasn't calling their decision a mistake.

Don't be offended, ct. It was just too good a chuckle for him to pass up.

Gut making the 53 is perhaps the best news that yesterday provided.
(Not a high hurdle, i grant.)
It means to me that BB thinks he is good enough that some other club might have snatched him
- in violation of the theory i subscribe to that backend QBs cut at the final
don't lure any takers.
So ... Coach thinks this chap falls outside those ordinary parameters.
That is ... Matt's GOOD.

 

[psychoPat]

ClapClapClap, unoriginal !

Very impressive recall ... especially in the wee hours (1:30 a.m.)
... and only 16 minutes after your fellow insomniac posed the question.

 

[spacecrime]

IMO they plan on trading Cassel next offseason, and want to groom the next backup. if you watch some of these preseason games, Gutierrez actually looked better than half the Qbs out there. He was a Michigan QB, had some experience slinging the ball in college, and he would probably have been picked up by another team had he been cut. Scott knows when someone is wanted elsewhere, through his own contacts around the league and the player's agent. Rogers didn't show enough to attract interest elsewhere. He's not an NFL DE, and he's a project at OLB. He'll make it to the practice squad along with the other 2nd day picks.

Good analysis. I think you have it exactly.

 

[spacecrime]

I'm very surprised that they cut Rogers given that he was higher on your list than Gutierrez.

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[MoLewisrocks]

Why does everyone assume Cassell will be gone after 2008? I don't see a team giving up a high draft pick for him at this point and resigning him would not cost a lot in cap space. I'd like to have a guy who's been in the system a number of years as a backup.

Because it won't cost another team much in cap space to sign him either, and it would likely be a team where he had a shot at competing for the #1 job or at least backing up a guy who didn't exactly have a stranglehold on it. See Damon Huard. That's why he left and though it's taken some time he got his shot to start when an aging QB got so seriously concussed last season that KC parted company with him this season. And even though they drafted a potential replacement, Huard outperformed him (or his body of work indicated he could) entering this season so Huard will start the season for KC.

Cassel may not (knock on wood) get the kind of exposure here that a Schaub did in Atlanta that netted them quite a lot in trade value (though if the had that to do over...). Bill has always hoped to get into the developmental QB market, just hasn't had a lot of luck locating candidates. Cassel will have some value just by virtue of the fact that he is trusted here to run this system and has been exposed to Belichick and Brady for 3-4 years. Whether that value outstrips his value here as an established backup for 2008 remains to be seen. What that would entail is also tied to having his backup in the pipeline. Gutierrez appears at first glance to have what it takes to potentially be that guy. But either way Cassel will likely be gone by 2009 because it's human nature for a QB to want an opportunity to play.

Just as an example, say Pete Carroll makes his return to the NFL by 2009. He would want a QB on the roster he takes over who knows his system. Say Norm Chow (or our own Josh McDaniels) gets a shot at a HC job in 2008 or 2009, ditto.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Why Gutierrez? Because the coaches liked him, the coaches thought other teams might sign him, and because we'll likely need another developmental QB next season when Cassell is a free agent if he's not traded first.

Hey, this organization has kept 4 QBs on the roster in the past causing everyone to shake their heads in wonderment.... I forget the guy's name now but I think he wound up turning out alright.

 

[unoriginal]

Nicely done! I knew there had to be examples, I'm impressed you were able to call them to mind.

That execrable '96 Bears lineup reminds you what an extraordinary streak of lousy QBs they've had.

Thank you kindly. Though I do disagree with the implication that Dave Krieg was a lousy QB. Considering all the terrible, terrible O-lines he played behind, his career stats and longevity are pretty amazing.

 

[mcbee]

Cassel is horrible. He has no value whatsoever on the "trade market". Anyone who would watch him play, stare down his receivers, get happy feet in the pocket, and think that he's marketable....sorry.

"He's on the Pats!!! That means he's worth 2 #1s to someone else!!"

Sure.

 

[khayos]

Cassel is horrible. He has no value whatsoever on the "trade market". Anyone who would watch him play, stare down his receivers, get happy feet in the pocket, and think that he's marketable....sorry.

"He's on the Pats!!! That means he's worth 2 #1s to someone else!!"

Sure.

Maybe he isn't of great value, but he'll also want more money. That's a factor as well.

 

[willdeespats]

Why Gutierrez? Because the coaches liked him, the coaches thought other teams might sign him, and because we'll likely need another developmental QB next season when Cassell is a free agent if he's not traded first.

Hey, this organization has kept 4 QBs on the roster in the past causing everyone to shake their heads in wonderment.... I forget the guy's name now but I think he wound up turning out alright.

And that's the answer to the question. They kept Gutierrez as the 3rd QB for exactly the same reasons they kept 4 once upon a time. I personally was very impressed with his poise.

 

[pats1yes]

This kid did not play much, but what I saw, I liked. So did the Pats.

Enough said, the kid has talent. You can see it when he hits the field with a bunch of guys that never made the team. I feel very comfortable with our QB situation right now.

Vinny is TOO old, we need to start looking at a new guy. Cassel will be the backup until Brady retires. We need to start looking at guys for the future. I like this kid. Well, I like Cassel too.

You know when you play with 2nd stringers, nobody looks good. I like our QB staff. I like our OL, I like our DL. Secondary, well, I like Meriweather, but we need some more depth. Our LB's will be OK this year and then we need to start looking.

Overall, we are stacked. And I just love it.

 

[Jimke]

Gutierrez is a live one unlike some of the rookies we have had

who were duds. As a rookie with only one full year of college

experience, he looked poised and did an acceptable job of passing.

Just like Matt Cassel before him, he shows promise. The Giants

would have jumped on him to replace that 270 pound stiff of theirs.