OT: Brady's got nothing on Henry

[Tunescribe]

I guess we just give Brady a Mulligan for this one, is that it?

No, a Moynahan. Right nationality, wrong name.

 

[Deus Irae]

You are either a person trying to gain attention via playing devil's advocate very badly or extremely stupid.

Ok, genius, now I'm cowed....

It's not a matter of degree, it's a matter of personal responsibility for ones actions. The lack of responsibilty that both he and the women showed prior to conceiving these children and the lack of responsibilty Henry shows having to be dragged into court to pay for the care of these children Care which will be financial only as I can guarantee you he will be unable and unwilling to play the role of nurturing father for nine seperate families.

Henry - Has children with women he's not married to and leaves

Bady - Had a child with a woman he's not married to and left

No, sorry, no difference there except in the numbers..

A guy whom has conceived one child out of wedlock, but has shown the utmost commitment to him and the mother......or

Really? Has Brady dumped his model and gone back to try to work it out with the mother of his child? Has he bought a place right next door so the kid can see him every day? When he's vacationing with his Brazilian lass, is he actually spending the hours thinking about how he'll redesign the house to make it childproof and analyzing the latest car seat safety tests? Has Brady sworn off all women and sex until his newborn son is properly raised and ready to face the world? Is knocking up mommy and then moving right on to another woman setting the kind of example for little Brady that shows the "utmost commitment"? Please...

A guy whom has taken part in creating nine seperate families and shown no commitment to anyone other than himself via investing in huge amounts of decorative bling and on top of that, as court records show, being completely financially irresponsible?

Given that Brady has not yet had the chance to be financially irresponsible, I'd say this is a stupid argument on your part. We already know that Brady was irresponsible enough to knock up a woman he was having enough problems with that he left almost immediately afterwards given the time frame involved.

Let's see, 9 different baby mommas, Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bling and lots of legal trouble.......

Oops, I better stop or I might be accused of "stereotyping".

Again, Henry having a greater number of progeny running around without a true and commited father doesn't mean that Brady doesn't also have a child in that situation. It's a matter of degree, not kind.

 

[Deus Irae]

How do you know he won't be around to take part in raising him. Apparantly you can take a ton of leeway in judging Brady's character based upon scant evidence but you can't make judgement on Henry by expounding on mountains worth of evedence.

I'll tell you what.....when Brady exhibits SIMILAR overall irresponsibility, you'll havd an argument. Until then, you really sound silly.

Actually, since my point is that Brady isn't above criticism, this doesn't apply at all. The evidence isn't scant, it's conclusive. He knocked up a woman, out of wedlock, dumped her and moved on to another woman while the first was still pregnant. He either knew Bridgett was pregnant when he left or didn't go back to try making it work out after he found out. Either way, he left the mother of his child alone and pregnant. Apparently that point is too advanced for you to grasp when the person involved is a player on your favorite football team.

 

[fgssand]

Brady knocked up a woman without being married and left her for another woman. Now, he either did this already knowing that the mother-to-be was pregnant or hopped from one bed to another with barely a pause to catch his breath. Exactly how 'commited' do you consider that?

This issue here is nine is way more than one - or are you not able to recognize what numbers are and what they mean??

The issue also is that of responsibility, seems to me Henry has totally shirked his while Brady, by his actions, takes his quite serious. Brady was there for the birth of his child, has offered his emotional support to the mother, will certainly take care of his financial responsibility and most important, will be a loving father to his child. How do I know that last part?? It's easy, read his comments of those his his father about fatherhood.

As for Brady bed hopping - I guess you must have been there to be able to tell us that this is how it all came down? You should write a book then. Have you ever thought for a second that the relationship was over from Tom Brady's perspective but Bridgette felt the need to answer the call of her ticking biological clock and maybe, just maybe duped him a tad relative to birth control??

Why don't you just fess up to the real reasons why you hate on Brady so much. It's guys like you and Danny Boy that turn this place into a laughable gossip column.

Dues Irae meet Danny Boy, you two deserve each other.

Of course you must be so lost in your bizarre would of androids and sci fi, you would not know what reality is if it whacked you right between the eyes.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Do you think back on what you've written? You'd rather impugn the name of the mother regarding getting deliberately pregnant with absolutely no evidence at all than simply admit that what Brady did was wrong and that he should be given criticism just as Henry is.

And flying to watch your kid being born when you're not going to be around to raise him doesn't mean a damned thing.

I told you I don't have strong feelings either way on that. I don't 100% feel that Bridget got pregnant on purpose. At the same time, I don't 100% feel that Brady took off after finding out she was pregnant.

All I was saying was that reports suggest that it's possible. Tom and Bridget were in a celebrity relationship and you know that means that a lot of stuff gets out into the public. I never read a single thing suggesting that Tom knew about the pregnancy before they broke up. I have read that they were breaking up before the news of her pregnancy and Tom was surprised to hear about it.

The way I was raised was no sex before marriage. That's my belief. However, I'm smart enough to realize that it is a lost cause in mainstream USA. It's not going to happen 100%. I don't want to go up to Tom and shake his hand for having sex while unmarried, I just don't want to punch him in the face for it either.

Because I realize that sex is going to happen, it's easier for me to look at situations rather than just throwing everything that involves marriage-less sex into one large mustake.

If Tom had dated Bridget for a month or two, she got pregant and he left for Gisele, then dumped her after a couple weeks and was on to someone else, then I would definately be very disappointed in him. That's not what happened though.

Hypothetical question. Let's say that all nine of Travis Henry's children were conceived in a span of one year. Can you honestly sit there and tell me that Tom Brady deserves equal criticism to a situation like that?

 

[letekro]

So when Brady does it, it's "everyone is doing it..." and "do you expect him not to have sex, etc....".


But when Henry does it, it's a problem?

One is a matter of "there but for the grace of God go I."

Nine is obviously the result of a conscious and harmful choice by Mr. Henry, the consequences of which will affect nine families (and counting) for the rest of their lives.

You sir, are an idiot.

 

[Lampshade]

"Has Brady sworn off all women and sex until his newborn son is properly raised and ready to face the world?"

huh?

 

[patchick]

One is a matter of "there but for the grace of God go I."

Nine is obviously the result of a conscious and harmful choice by Mr. Henry, the consequences of which will affect nine families (and counting) for the rest of their lives.

You sir, are an idiot.

I'd say that about wraps it up. I'd be all for letting it end here.

 

[Slagathor]

Ok, genius, now I'm cowed....




Henry - Has children with women he's not married to and leaves

Bady - Had a child with a woman he's not married to and left

No, sorry, no difference there except in the numbers..




Really? Has Brady dumped his model and gone back to try to work it out with the mother of his child? Has he bought a place right next door so the kid can see him every day? When he's vacationing with his Brazilian lass, is he actually spending the hours thinking about how he'll redesign the house to make it childproof and analyzing the latest car seat safety tests? Has Brady sworn off all women and sex until his newborn son is properly raised and ready to face the world? Is knocking up mommy and then moving right on to another woman setting the kind of example for little Brady that shows the "utmost commitment"? Please...




Given that Brady has not yet had the chance to be financially irresponsible, I'd say this is a stupid argument on your part. We already know that Brady was irresponsible enough to knock up a woman he was having enough problems with that he left almost immediately afterwards given the time frame involved.




Again, Henry having a greater number of progeny running around without a true and commited father doesn't mean that Brady doesn't also have a child in that situation. It's a matter of degree, not kind.

You are conveniently painting a picture that is false, and that in itself is where your argument fails.

You keep saying, she got pregnant and Brady dumped her. That is not the case.

This is what gets my ire up. "Some People" work very hard to smear the image of people who are for the most part decent folks, and work equally hard protecting the image of thise whom are obviously flawed/bad individuals.

The only similarity you have between Brady and Henry is that they both conceived children out of wedlock and are no longer emotionally involved with the mothers.

The comparisons ends right there.

What you don't seem to understand...because you aren't a genius like I am is the most important part of all of this is how these individuals react after these situations occur.

Upon further investigation, both Brady and Henry reacted "predictably".

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Here's what it comes down to for me.

Tom fathered one child out of wedlock. It's not the most ideal situation, but it happened.

Henry fathered NINE ******* CHILDREN out of wedlock by MULTIPLE partners. What's worse, apparently he hasn't been exactly Johnny on the Spot with the child support payments.

That may indeed happen to Brady (though I doubt it). But with all due respect, anyone who can't see the difference between making this "mistake" once and making it NINE TIMES with MULTIPLE PARTNERS either can't grasp reality or has a deeply flawed sense of logic. In other words, dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

[Slagathor]

Here's what it comes down to for me.

Tom fathered one child out of wedlock. It's not the most ideal situation, but it happened.

Henry fathered NINE ******* CHILDREN out of wedlock by MULTIPLE partners. What's worse, apparently he hasn't been exactly Johnny on the Spot with the child support payments.

That may indeed happen to Brady (though I doubt it). But with all due respect, anyone who can't see the difference between making this "mistake" once and making it NINE TIMES with MULTIPLE PARTNERS either can't grasp reality or has a deeply flawed sense of logic. In other words, dumber than a bag of hammers.

I always wish that someone was that dumb. But in reality what seems like flawed logic or stupidity is actually an agenda.

It's all part of living in today's upside down world.

 

[Deus Irae]

This issue here is nine is way more than one - or are you not able to recognize what numbers are and what they mean??

The issue also is that of responsibility, seems to me Henry has totally shirked his while Brady, by his actions, takes his quite serious. Brady was there for the birth of his child, has offered his emotional support to the mother, will certainly take care of his financial responsibility and most important, will be a loving father to his child. How do I know that last part?? It's easy, read his comments of those his his father about fatherhood.

As for Brady bed hopping - I guess you must have been there to be able to tell us that this is how it all came down?

Do you note the irony here, or does it go completely over your head? You're giving me the crap about "I guess you must have been there" about facts already in evidence, but you allow yourself to speculate on the future. Seriously, did you think for even half a second before you wrote this nonsense?

Why don't you just fess up to the real reasons why you hate on Brady so much. It's guys like you and Danny Boy that turn this place into a laughable gossip column.

Dues Irae meet Danny Boy, you two deserve each other.

Of course you must be so lost in your bizarre would of androids and sci fi, you would not know what reality is if it whacked you right between the eyes.

I don't hate Brady. I think he's the best quarterback in the NFL, and I'm very glad that he's on my favorite team. That doesn't mean I have to sign up to be his ballwasher. He fathered a child out of wedlock and deserves to face criticism and scrutiny for that.

I also think that Larry Bird is the greatest non-center to ever play basketball. That doesn't mean I have to believe he was a great father.

 

[Deus Irae]

One is a matter of "there but for the grace of God go I."

Nine is obviously the result of a conscious and harmful choice by Mr. Henry, the consequences of which will affect nine families (and counting) for the rest of their lives.

You sir, are an idiot.

I'd say that about wraps it up. I'd be all for letting it end here.

Unless Brady was drugged, or tripped and fell right into Bridgett's vagina, his choice was also conscious. The "idiot" is the fool who can't grasp that obvious truth. And for a moderator to respond to that post in the manner you did is pathetic.

 

[Deus Irae]

Here's what it comes down to for me.

Tom fathered one child out of wedlock. It's not the most ideal situation, but it happened.

Henry fathered NINE ******* CHILDREN out of wedlock by MULTIPLE partners. What's worse, apparently he hasn't been exactly Johnny on the Spot with the child support payments.

That may indeed happen to Brady (though I doubt it). But with all due respect, anyone who can't see the difference between making this "mistake" once and making it NINE TIMES with MULTIPLE PARTNERS either can't grasp reality or has a deeply flawed sense of logic. In other words, dumber than a bag of hammers.

Did you perhaps miss the part where I noted that there is a difference in degree, not kind? To use some hyperbole in order to make clear analogies:

If Chris Henry commits 9 murders and Tom Brady only commits 1, Tom Brady is not an innocent man.

If Chris Henry steals 9 cars and totals them while Tom Brady only steals one car and keeps it in great condition, Tom Brady is still a car thief.

If Chris Henry Knocks up 9 women without marrying them and then is shoddy in keeping up with financial support and Tom Brady knocks up 1 woman without marrying her and then pays every penny he owes in a timely manner, while visiting his child every weekend and for 12 weeks every summer, Tom Brady still knocked up a woman out of wedlock.

Chris Henry's actions don't excuse Tom Brady. Being a New England Patriot shouldn't excuse Tom Brady, either.

 

[Slagathor]

Did you perhaps miss the part where I noted that there is a difference in degree, not kind? To use some hyperbole in order to make clear analogies:

If Chris Henry commits 9 murders and Tom Brady only commits 1, Tom Brady is not an innocent man.

If Chris Henry steals 9 cars and totals them while Tom Brady only steals one car and keeps it in great condition, Tom Brady is still a car thief.

If Chris Henry Knocks up 9 women without marrying them and then is shoddy in keeping up with financial support and Tom Brady knocks up 1 woman without marrying her and then pays every penny he owes in a timely manner, while visiting his child every weekend and for 12 weeks every summer, Tom Brady still knocked up a woman out of wedlock.

Chris Henry's actions don't excuse Tom Brady. Being a New England Patriot shouldn't excuse Tom Brady, either.

What makes you a really suspect person is the fact that the title of this thread was all about similarity and degree. DID YOU READ THE TITLE?

This is my point. You inserted your own agenda into the thread.

Tom Brady at this point can only be accused of a mistake.

Henry has consciously perpetuated the highest level of personal and parental irresponsibility.

That's the difference. Tom will still be considered an upstanding guy and Henry will be looked at as an ignorant negligent douchebag.

You keep using murder and theft as examples. Both are immediate felonies.

Let's scale it down to the proper level.

You write one bad check in you life, but you fix that error and people will easily assign that as just a mistake.

You write nine bad checks, and you never had the funds to cover them in the first place, and then you need to be taken to court to have the issue resolved, people will be wary of you.

 

[CopenhagenPatsfan]

What makes you a really suspect person is the fact that the title of this thread was all about similarity and degree. DID YOU READ THE TITLE?

This is my point. You inserted your own agenda into the thread.

Tom Brady at this point can only be accused of a mistake.

Henry has consciously perpetuated the highest level of personal and parental irresponsibility.

That's the difference. Tom will still be considered an upstanding guy and Henry will be looked at as an ignorant negligent douchebag.

You keep using murder and theft as examples. Both are immediate felonies.

Let's scale it down to the proper level.

You write one bad check in you life, but you fix that error and people will easily assign that as just a mistake.

You write nine bad checks, and you never had the funds to cover them in the first place, and then you need to be taken to court to have the issue resolved, people will be wary of you.

Please stop using logic and common sense, you might really confuse Deus Irae:bricks:

 

[fgssand]

Do you note the irony here, or does it go completely over your head? You're giving me the crap about "I guess you must have been there" about facts already in evidence, but you allow yourself to speculate on the future. Seriously, did you think for even half a second before you wrote this nonsense?





I don't hate Brady. I think he's the best quarterback in the NFL, and I'm very glad that he's on my favorite team. That doesn't mean I have to sign up to be his ballwasher. He fathered a child out of wedlock and deserves to face criticism and scrutiny for that.

I also think that Larry Bird is the greatest non-center to ever play basketball. That doesn't mean I have to believe he was a great father.

As I wrote...my speculation about the future was based on his actions of the present, coupled with what he and his father have commented about fatherhood and family values. It is possible to be a good father and not be married you know.

Of course you don't have to wash his balls - but you sure don't have to be cutting them off. And what about the actions of the mother here, why don't you question her motives for one second?

Let's give the guy a chance, so far, from what I see, there is no story here.

 

[Deus Irae]

What makes you a really suspect person is the fact that the title of this thread was all about similarity and degree. DID YOU READ THE TITLE?

This is my point. You inserted your own agenda into the thread.

Tom Brady at this point can only be accused of a mistake.

Henry has consciously perpetuated the highest level of personal and parental irresponsibility.

Complete and utter nonsense. But then again, you already know that.

That's the difference. Tom will still be considered an upstanding guy and Henry will be looked at as an ignorant negligent douchebag.

Tom has become the object of ridicule for other teams fanbases, is not considered an upstanding guy by anyone who actually follows a Christian religion rather than just playing lipservice to it. Furthermore, in Tom's own words, from Patriots.com (from 8/17/2006):

TB: I heard it this morning when I saw it. I kind of laughed it off, as I kind of do with those things. That's why we have to get to start playing some football games, so stuff like this doesn't mean anything. It's just one of those things. I don't make anything of it. Stuff like that, it's not what I stand for. I represent a lot of things- certainly fair play and trying to be a role model for children. That's what I'm all about. That's what I stand for.

He put himself out there as a role model, not me. If you have a problem with him subsequently being held to that standard, go take it up with him and tell him to take the Charles Barkley approach in the future.

You keep using murder and theft as examples. Both are immediate felonies.

Let's scale it down to the proper level.

You write one bad check in you life, but you fix that error and people will easily assign that as just a mistake.

You write nine bad checks, and you never had the funds to cover them in the first place, and then you need to be taken to court to have the issue resolved, people will be wary of you.

What the hell are you talking about? First, I conceded that I was using hyperbole in order to make a clean analogy. Second, if you write a bad check, you still wrote a bad check. You didn't just "make a mistake", you broke the law. We are a nation that gives second chances (Look at the repeat felony lists for verification), but that doesn't mean the initial act is considered acceptable or above reproach.

 

[Deus Irae]

As I wrote...my speculation about the future was based on his actions of the present, coupled with what he and his father have commented about fatherhood and family values. It is possible to be a good father and not be married you know.

Of course you don't have to wash his balls - but you sure don't have to be cutting them off. And what about the actions of the mother here, why don't you question her motives for one second?

Let's give the guy a chance, so far, from what I see, there is no story here.

Please explain to me how noting the hypocrisy of the Patriots fans who are bashing Henry while protecting Brady is cutting Brady's balls off. Also, please explain to me why I should be talking about Moynihan when

A) nobody was talking about Henry's women

and

B) B.M. is not the one being protected while another player is derided.

As for the "it's possible" line, please... It's also possible to be a good father and not pay $3000 a month in child support, but I don't see you making that assertion and defending Henry about that.

 

[letekro]

Unless Brady was drugged, or tripped and fell right into Bridgett's vagina, his choice was also conscious. The "idiot" is the fool who can't grasp that obvious truth. And for a moderator to respond to that post in the manner you did is pathetic.

The conscious choice I referred to was the choice to IMPREGNATE WOMEN, or at least to have sex with them with no regard to their use of birth control. I don't know whether you're being purposefully flip, or whether you are genuinely obtuse.

The circumstances around Moynihan's pregnancy tend to support the notion that Brady might have been under the reasonable impression that she was using birth control (although he should've been as well), as women that are in committed relationships are wont to do.

Either this is a flame (which I hope it is), or you were born without the gift of reason.