Jets with the huge overpay on Revis...

[patsox23]

REVIS NUMBERS ARE REAL, AND THEY'RE SPECTACULAR

In the 48 hours or so since we got our hands on the contract numbers for Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis, the No. 14 overall pick in the draft, we've heard from league insiders on both sides of the fence -- agents and management -- who were skeptical about the terms.

Said one league insider on Friday: "According to your numbers, he'll be getting much more in every facet than Marshawn Lynch, the twelfth pick, who got a heck of a deal with Buffalo. According to your numbers, he'll be getting $11 million guaranteed on a four year deal versus $10.285 million for Lynch on a five year. And if the Jets buy back years five and six he'll get a total of $27 million guaranteed? No way it can be true. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. If your numbers are right, [G.M.] Mike Tannenbaum should be fired on the spot."

Oh, but the numbers are right.

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[PatsWickedPissah]

G'bye Asante!

 

[italia44]

REVIS NUMBERS ARE REAL, AND THEY'RE SPECTACULAR

In the 48 hours or so since we got our hands on the contract numbers for Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis, the No. 14 overall pick in the draft, we've heard from league insiders on both sides of the fence -- agents and management -- who were skeptical about the terms.

Said one league insider on Friday: "According to your numbers, he'll be getting much more in every facet than Marshawn Lynch, the twelfth pick, who got a heck of a deal with Buffalo. According to your numbers, he'll be getting $11 million guaranteed on a four year deal versus $10.285 million for Lynch on a five year. And if the Jets buy back years five and six he'll get a total of $27 million guaranteed? No way it can be true. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it. If your numbers are right, [G.M.] Mike Tannenbaum should be fired on the spot."

Oh, but the numbers are right.

STORY CONTINUES here... http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

way to go!

I posted this on Jets Insider because no Jet's fan dared to.

They're just so delusional over there and half their threads are Patriot's obsessive.

....penis envy lives on:rocker:

 

[BelichickFan]

G'bye Asante!

If we choose to he has no option but to be here for this year and next - or sit at home - so it's not that relevant.

 

[psychoPat]

way to go!

I posted this on Jets Insider because no Jet's fan dared to.

They're just so delusional over there and half their threads are Patriot's obsessive.

....penis envy lives on:rocker:

I jest luv it ...
when div rivals blow cap space
overpaying names or run-of-the-mill "stars"!
Makes the rest of their rosters
uncompetitive.

But, really!
Don't you Italians think of anything else?

 

[italia44]

I jest luv it ...
when div rivals blow cap space
overpaying names or run-of-the-mill "stars"!
Makes the rest of their rosters
uncompetitive.

But, really!
Don't you Italians think of anything else?

Can't watch Soprano's reruns,all the time..

...can I?:rocker:

 

[fgssand]

Still, yet another league insider views it as a win-win, since the Jets will be paying huge money to Revis only if he becomes a star. And, if he does, the contract likely will be renegotiated after three or four NFL seasons.

"You pay for three positions," said the source, "cornerback, left tackle, and quarterback. By getting the full six years, the Jets won't have to franchise Revis and [left tackle D'Brickashaw] Ferguson in the same year. So if they both work out, they'll be able to keep both of them for the long haul."


What a surprise you left that out of your initial post. 5 years down the road, that sort of money for a star CB will be considered a bargain, just look at what Samuels is asking for this year.

I do not agree with that at all...Yes, pay for QB and sure, no problem with Left tackle, although no need for a kings ransome.

After that - to me it is the "D" line that is more important than any CB.

 

[Crazyeechrispats1]

I repeat Samuel will not get a huge contract with new england, BB doesn't see corner back as a franchise position only using the tag for leverage he could still be traded.
The pats have done great in the middle and late rounds with their secondary, where do you think Hobbs, Gay, and Samuel came from?
Trust me on this If Samuel wants Bailey money he's going somewhere else no reason to even hope that he'll get a huge deal, if we keep him this year it's only to trade him next for another player or picks.
PS. Revis has no chance covering Moss if that is Mangina's intentions.

 

[patsox23]

Hey, if the conventional wisdom is that "you pay for QB, LT and CB" only, FANTASTIC for us. Once again, Belichick positions the team well - while other teams overvalue corners, we win Super Bowls with UDFA's starting and Earthwind Moreland getting serious reps. Sorry, rest of the NFL. F off.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Still, yet another league insider views it as a win-win, since the Jets will be paying huge money to Revis only if he becomes a star. And, if he does, the contract likely will be renegotiated after three or four NFL seasons.

"You pay for three positions," said the source, "cornerback, left tackle, and quarterback. By getting the full six years, the Jets won't have to franchise Revis and [left tackle D'Brickashaw] Ferguson in the same year. So if they both work out, they'll be able to keep both of them for the long haul."

What a surprise you left that out of your initial post. 5 years down the road, that sort of money for a star CB will be considered a bargain, just look at what Samuels is asking for this year.

There's some truth to this in my opinion

The bottom line is this: The Jets retain the right to make this a 6 year deal - in which case they will have paid Revis a ton of moolah - but if Revis isn't worth it they all go their separate ways, with the Jets having overpaid for a 4 year deal, when they've previously said they won't do 4 year deals.

As noted the Jets caved in creating a deal reverts to a 4 year deal if Revis plays just 35% of the snaps on defense in any one season (and the fact that they caved doesn't set a good precedent for them). But it looks like the Jets retain the right to buy back the two additional years at $5 million and $11 million respecitvely - or an average of $8 million. So the Jets can make this a 6 year deal down the road - they just have to pay a ton of money to make that happen - which kindof defeats the purpose of a rookie contract as it's usually designed to be VERY cost effective for the team.

They'd be paying him a whopping $27 million guaranteed if it comes to be - but as of today that amount is NOT guaranteed. That's an important distinction. If Revis hasn't played up to high expectations they "let" him walk after 4 years. But I - and they - would contend they wouldn't really want him at that point anyway if he hadn't played up to expectations.

And if he's as good as they hope, they pay another $8 million average a season for years 5 and 6 - possibly reupping him to lessen the cap hit in year 6.

So maybe this isn't the worst compromise for Mangini after all - but to me it still raises the point, on the heels of the Kendall situation, whether Mangini's (and Tannenbaum's) poor player management is going to have repercussions throughout the rest of the league.

 

[italia44]

Don't forget the check Kraft made out to Walt Coleman, now that is spending your money wisely.

Go back to Jets Insider.......I know who you are over there.

friggin' pathetic loser:bricks:

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

This seems pretty simple. Revis didn't want to sign for 6 years while the Jets insisted on it. Revis gave in on the years, but in return gets paid more than he otherwise would in year 5 and gets paid very well in year 6.

He gave the Jets an extra year of control while the Jets give him more money than he would regularly make on a rookie deal. It's only a bad deal when you account for the fact that rookie deals tend to heavily favor the team (outside of the top picks).

 

[He Ban Me]

I repeat Samuel will not get a huge contract with new england, BB doesn't see corner back as a franchise position only using the tag for leverage he could still be traded.
The pats have done great in the middle and late rounds with their secondary, where do you think Hobbs, Gay, and Samuel came from?
Trust me on this If Samuel wants Bailey money he's going somewhere else no reason to even hope that he'll get a huge deal, if we keep him this year it's only to trade him next for another player or picks.
PS. Revis has no chance covering Moss if that is Mangina's intentions.

I agree, thee will be no way Revis covers Moss, after all, how can you cover a WR when he's on the bench with a "tweaked" hammy??

 

[italia44]

I agree, thee will be no way Revis covers Moss, after all, how can you cover a WR when he's on the bench with a "tweaked" hammy??

Who cares?

We don't really need Moss until the AFCCG
against San Diego and the SB against:

"The NFC Bumf-cks"

 

[He Ban Me]

Who cares?

We don't really need Moss until the AFCCG
against San Diego and the SB against:

"The NFC Bumf-cks"

You have just embarrassed your Patriot bretheren.

 

[PatsFan37]

There's some truth to this in my opinion

The bottom line is this: The Jets retain the right to make this a 6 year deal - in which case they will have paid Revis a ton of moolah - but if Revis isn't worth it they all go their separate ways, with the Jets having overpaid for a 4 year deal, when they've previously said they won't do 4 year deals.

As noted the Jets caved in creating a deal reverts to a 4 year deal if Revis plays just 35% of the snaps on defense in any one season (and the fact that they caved doesn't set a good precedent for them). But it looks like the Jets retain the right to buy back the two additional years at $5 million and $11 million respecitvely - or an average of $8 million. So the Jets can make this a 6 year deal down the road - they just have to pay a ton of money to make that happen - which kindof defeats the purpose of a rookie contract as it's usually designed to be VERY cost effective for the team.

They'd be paying him a whopping $27 million guaranteed if it comes to be - but as of today that amount is NOT guaranteed. That's an important distinction. If Revis hasn't played up to high expectations they "let" him walk after 4 years. But I - and they - would contend they wouldn't really want him at that point anyway if he hadn't played up to expectations.

And if he's as good as they hope, they pay another $8 million average a season for years 5 and 6 - possibly reupping him to lessen the cap hit in year 6.

So maybe this isn't the worst compromise for Mangini after all - but to me it still raises the point, on the heels of the Kendall situation, whether Mangini's (and Tannenbaum's) poor player management is going to have repercussions throughout the rest of the league.

The one problem I have with this analysis is it's the kind of deal you might make with an aging vet who has already shown his worth, who is a free agent, and who might not be worth it in the latter years of a contract.

If he turns out to be great, like pro-bowl great, he'll want more money (they always want more) and the Jets won't be negotiating from strength. If he's good but not great, a solid serviceable CB who was slightly overrated in the draft, they have a choice of letting him walk or overpaying him.

It seems an unusually complex contract for a rookie that gives him a lot of leverage in reward for a hold-out. I don't think the Jets did themselves any favors, nor did they set a good precedent.

 

[DarrylS]

Don't forget the check Kraft made out to Walt Coleman, now that is spending your money wisely.

there is a forum for you on this board, search for it, called "living in mommy's basement and playing with mr. ralphie"..

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Looks to me like the Jets are interested enough in avoiding a holdout, that they'll give Revis a so-so veteran starter's deal as his rookie deal -- and of course, down the line they will end up with the "big payday" problem in 6 years if he IS any good (or sooner, if he decides he's "outperformed" his rookie deal.)

So the risk is loaded on the Jets, which they accept in exchange for the convenience of having Revis available through camp to actually learn his position at the NFL level. Of course, the Jets were trying to indemnify themselves by signing Revis to 6 years - that's quite a compliment. Trouble is, well, LARRY JOHNSON.

In other words, they bought Revis sight unseen, instead of taking the test drive that a rookie deal generally permits, and Jets fans feel it is a bargain, comparing Revis to proven stars. If Revis DOES pan out at that level, "six years" might become another holdout down the road.

Revis might not work out. He could well become a JAG -- this does happen to rookies. If so, he turns into a guaranteed-money-pit JAG.

But then, part of the cost of this deal is the cost of even finding out.

It's not a gargantuan risk to pay Revis this coin. They'd have had to pay close to that amount in the first place... so they're reasoning that the additional money to Revis is acceptable, given what they feel they can deduce from tape.

To which I say, hokayyyyyyy. Let's see how that works out for ya, NY. If he's as good as advertised, and he doesn't whine for more within that 6 years, it's a good deal. If he's not, it's a bad one.

And the Jets are on the hook for a few mill to find out.

PFnV

 

[JoeSixPat]

...to me it still raises the point, on the heels of the Kendall situation, whether Mangini's (and Tannenbaum's) poor player management is going to have repercussions throughout the rest of the league.

I hate to say I told them so... especially as Manginibaum's incompetence is sounding like it's going to have adverse impact on the entire league - though I guess the Patriots shouldn't be picking lower than #32 for quite a few years!

POSTED 9:11 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:24 p.m. EDT, August 23, 2007

REVIS DEAL SETS BAD PRECEDENT?

There's plenty talk in league circles that the contract signed by Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis, the No. 14 pick in the draft, will make it very difficult for teams who want picks taken in the top half of round one to sign six-year contracts in the future.

Under the CBA, the maximum length of the contracts signed by the first 16 selections in round one is six years. For the second 16 picks, the cap is five. For each round thereafter, the limit is four years.

This year, many of the picks in the top half of round one signed five-year deals, or six-year contracts that easily void to five. But the Jets insisted on a six-year deal for Revis. To get it, they agreed to a structure that started as six, voided to four, and included a buy-back for the final two seasons that, if exercised, will pay Revis an additional $16 million in guaranteed money.

Teams are upset, and agents are happy, since this device will now be used for any player beyond the first four or five in the draft if/when teams want a six-year contract. As a practical matter, it means that five-year deals will now be the norm for all but the very top of the draft.

Though we've yet to get our eyes on the 50-plus-page contract, one league source believes that the Jets tried to make the documents complex in order to conceal its simple truth -- that G.M. Mike Tannenbaum got what he wanted, but gave up way too much to get it.