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Houston would be a definite surprise contender, but we'll see how good Shaub really is as a starter this season. Their O-Line is still weak.
They would be a surprise. But the Patriots were 5-13 in the last 18 games started by Bledsoe . . . Tommy moves in and we start wining immediately. 14-3 (including playoffs) by just changing one player. I don't expect Houston to be .500 but . . .
 
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This is how I see it.


Elite Teams
Patriots, colts, chargers, denver

Bubble
ravens, steelers, jetssuck

Further out
Bengals, Jax

Of course, we'll find out soon enough;)
 
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San Diego, Denver and New England are the 3 teams that I think are a virtual lock to be the AFC representative in the Super Bowl this year.

I don't care about that crap statement that you must beat the man to be the man because in Indy's case they have simply lost way too many guys in critical areas of defense and their best offensive lineman to be a dangerous SB challenger this year - Indy is not New England and can't just replace anyone with success. The colts have lived off of getting top players in the draft and not losing much of their team,This year is different, thus comes the Super Bowl curse of having the nucleus of your team breaking up after a championship, They still have Manning,Harrison and Sanders but it won't be enough for me to put them in the top tier.

From an outsider perspective it may look like the Colts lost a lot during the off season. While they have had a couple key players effected, they Colts lose several players every year, it's just this season they are in the spotlight as defending champs. Believe me they lose player every year, Polian drafts a year or two ahead because of this. The core of the Colts is still there minus Glenn. Glenn and Booger are the spots that will hurt.

I'm not sure if you noticed that the change over in the DBs just helped the Colts secondary get taller. The corners went from 5'8" and 5'10" to two 6 footers, both of whom are high picks (1st and 2nd rounders from 2005) andhave may big plays in big games.

They Colts have change in the LBers nearly every season. While June's stats last season look good on paper, he was not the player he was during his Pro Bowl season. Keiaho was drafted for the annual linebacker exodus and now it's up to him to step up. This is a key spot in Dungy's defensive scheme, but the guy haas shown flashes when given a chance. Not to mention that player Morris in the strongside backer spot turned out to be a nice switch.

To say Colts WRs are an issue is almost laughable. Marvin is 35...and? Have you seen his numbers from last year? The loss of Stokley is not really a dip from last season's team since he only had 8 catches. Adding Gonzalez to the mix can only make that group better. Not to mention that Clark can go back to lining up at TE instead of the slot receiver.

Running back is an area of change, but most are pretty confident with Addai being the man this year. Who will be the change of pace/breather back will be seen, but management likes the group of guys they have in camp even thought they don't share a lot of NFL carries.

While there has been a change in the group from last season several of those players like Simon, Doss, Stokley ect either didn't contribute much or at all due to injuries. There are three key spots going into the preseason. The LT spot, DT, and if Keiaho can step up as a full time starter. The Colts have some pieces to address the LT, none of them are Glenn. The defensive tackle spot will be one to watch to see how it is addressed.

So when you really look at it, the Colts have had 2 or 3 major changes, but the same can be said with most teams. So until it's shown on the field that the Colts are not the team that they have been for the past handful of years, then I think it's too early to count them out.
 
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They would be a surprise. But the Patriots were 5-13 in the last 18 games started by Bledsoe . . . Tommy moves in and we start wining immediately. 14-3 (including playoffs) by just changing one player. I don't expect Houston to be .500 but . . .

Houston has 3 problems the way I see it. First, they have serious O-line issues. Second, they can not figure out their RB situation. I doubt that Green will find his running game fro a couple years ago. Third, they are not in a division where they can beat up on a couple teams. I think it's fair to say that everyone in the division is better than them, but stranger thing have happened.
 
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How can 3 teams be a virtual lock?

And I wouldn't count Indy out, as long as Peyton is their QB they're in the hunt.

As much as I hate the Colts, he is right. No matter what we think, the colts are going to be in the hunt.
 
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Houston has 3 problems the way I see it. First, they have serious O-line issues. Second, they can not figure out their RB situation. I doubt that Green will find his running game fro a couple years ago. Third, they are not in a division where they can beat up on a couple teams. I think it's fair to say that everyone in the division is better than them, but stranger thing have happened.
I'm no fan of Houston but, again, I remember 2001. And let's face it, one bad injury to His Highness and that division is up for grabs.
 
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You really can't say anything like this for sure. Every year there are surprises. In 2005, San Diego didn't even make the playoffs. Now they're a "lock" as a contender due to one good year?

It just doesn't work like that. A year ago this same post would have said....lets face it Pittsburgh, New England and Indy are the only three real contenders....or Pittsburgh, New England and Denver. Whatever. And what happeneed to some of those teams?

This year will be the same. A surprise team will have a great year and then next year, someone will be saying they are a "lock" to be a contender again.

I'm not saying San Diego isn't a good team or won't be a contender. I'm simply saying we don't know. And I'll say I'd be willing to bet one of those three teams you name won't live up to expectations. Lets hope it isn't the Pats.

J D Sal
 
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I would say Indy, SD, NE...Denver has to play in the West...my thinking is SD will rule and the Broncs will be behind. I agree that there are a number of teams close...but I just can not put Cutler's orange with the elite. But all that being said, there will be other teams closing in and possibly getting a wild card or better. For NE, they HAVE to get a bye, meaning having a better record than Indy or SD. Will NOT be easy. Even if the Colts fall some..they really need to have the best record so teams are coming here in Jan...I feel a lot better with that happening than traveling west like the team did.

Just folly NOT to have INdy in the top mix...at least on paper at this point.

The Jets had all the luck going last year, so they are due to fall back some. Jax might be tough and their winning the division is ot out of the question. Pitts, Cinci and Balt will eat up each other. Which is why a Denver/Jax wildcard is VERY possible.
 
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I'm sorry, but this is the NFL. To narrow the field to only three teams at this point is crazy. This is the league where a team like New Orleans can go from the second worst team in the league to the NFC Championships in one year. In 2001, few gave us a shot to compete for the second or third place in the AFC, nevermind the Super Bowl. In fact, there was an article on Profootball Weekly saying we had the worst shot at the Super Bowl than any other team in the league that year.

Right now, in my mind there are four front runners - New England, San Deigo, Denver, and Indy. I would say Indy has the worst shot because all their losses and to expect their defense to come together at the right time as it did last year again is a little too much to ask.

But that doesn't mean that there won't be a team on the next teir that doesn't make that next step this season or a team comes out of nowhere like the Pats did in 2001. That is what makes the NFL great. Any team has at least a glimmer of hope of being a Super Bowl team. Unlike MLB where there are teams that are out of playoff contention in spring training (Tampa Bay).
 
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I try to take off the rose colored glasses occasionally and view the contenders dispassionately.

I see a Colts team that is in the middle of a train wreck. You don't lose Glenn, Stockley, Rhodes, and Simon. McFarland, Reagor, June, David, Doss, Nathan before the first kickoff and not be diminished. There is now no depth anywhere. And some holes that are being handed to rookies.

Sorgi, DeDe Dorsey, rookie Ugoh, Johnson, rookie Gonzalez, Keiaho, Klecko, Pit****, Boiman, rookie Sessions, Jennings and Giordano, are the first call reserves.

I'll grant that Giordano and even Jennings have some experience. And that Ugoh and Gonzalez might come through as rookies; but it is unusual at he positions they play LT and Safety, where a year or two of experience is
required.

What happens if any fail? What happens when the inevitable Injuries start to happen?

San Diego is granted the title of "best talent".

Pooh and Drivel !

The lost talented team doesn't have four glaring hole in its starting 22. They have new starters at WR1, perhaps WR2, and ILB1 and ILB2. Vince Jackson a deep threat; might fill one of the two starting complete wide receiver roles, but he is a big deep fly receiver much more like diminutive Davis Patten in that deep pass catching talent than a starting guy like a Branch or even a Givens.

OTOH, I truly fear what Shanahan is building in Colorado. It isn't deep anywhere, but talent even if immature abounds, except on the Defensive line, but high rookies were chosen there and DE is a position where a rookie can excel.
 
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I try to take off the rose colored glasses occasionally and view the contenders dispassionately.

I see a Colts team that is in the middle of a train wreck. You don't lose Glenn, Stockley, Rhodes, and Simon. McFarland, Reagor, June, David, Doss, Nathan before the first kickoff and not be diminished. There is now no depth anywhere. And some holes that are being handed to rookies.

Sorgi, DeDe Dorsey, rookie Ugoh, Johnson, rookie Gonzalez, Keiaho, Klecko, Pit****, Boiman, rookie Sessions, Jennings and Giordano, are the first call reserves.

I'll grant that Giordano and even Jennings have some experience. And that Ugoh and Gonzalez might come through as rookies; but it is unusual at he positions they play LT and Safety, where a year or two of experience is
required.

What happens if any fail? What happens when the inevitable Injuries start to happen?

San Diego is granted the title of "best talent".

Pooh and Drivel !

The lost talented team doesn't have four glaring hole in its starting 22. They have new starters at WR1, perhaps WR2, and ILB1 and ILB2. Vince Jackson a deep threat; might fill one of the two starting complete wide receiver roles, but he is a big deep fly receiver much more like diminutive Davis Patten in that deep pass catching talent than a starting guy like a Branch or even a Givens.

OTOH, I truly fear what Shanahan is building in Colorado. It isn't deep anywhere, but talent even if immature abounds, except on the Defensive line, but high rookies were chosen there and DE is a position where a rookie can excel.

Well, that's a pretty good analysis, overall. However, I'd like to add...

Colts: "Train wreck" is a little strong, but, yes, they are diminished as a result of all they've lost. Super Bowl contenders have good depth, which this Indy team is now sorely lacking.

Bolts: The holes you've mentioned are of consequence, yes, but the biggest thing is the wholesale coaching staff replacement. We've already seen up close what happens to a team when they lose a coordinator...or two. While Big Norv promises to leave the existing offense in tact, that may prove to be easier said than done. Success always starts at the top, so we'll have to see how this one plays itself out.

Bronx: While everyone seems to be ooh-ing and ahh-ing about the fabulous B-boys in the defensive backfield, few have noticed the weakness at DL you pointed out. Once again, 16 defensive linemen were under contract as training camp began (it was 17 last year). The age-old question in the Mile High city remains, "Where's the Denver pass rush?". If the line doesn't improve on last year's efforts, then the fabulous B-boys will begin to find themselves being eaten alive, and the Broncos will invariably find themselves in the rear view mirror of San Diego...or maybe even Arizona!

Heavens to Mergatroid!

Jax and Baltimore have good D's, but QB on both teams forces question marks to arise.

I'm still not a believer in that Houston O-line, and Matt Schaub may begin to wonder just where he is on any given Sunday.

The Jets find themselves grounded by a tougher schedule and that awful thing called "stern reality".

Pitt? They looked good against a clueless Saints team Sunday night, but most anybody and his grandmother can look good at this time of the year. We've seen this phenomenon before. 4-0 in the preseason. 6-10 in the regular season. I'm gonna wait on this one, sorry.

Cincy seems bound for a starring role in "Prison Break", and not much else.

Tennessee remains Young at heart, 'tis true, but you can't really consider them for the Big Dance, given their serious lack of depth.

For everyone else in the conference (save the Pats), it's a case of, "congratulations for being there!".

And while the Pats do have a few issues (RB, DB depth, LB), they are at this very moment the strongest entry extant.

'Course, it's a long season, and they still have to play the games. But this is my view, and it's not too far from yours.
 
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I'm not really arguing, but people do seem to have short memories that even in the so called "off" years in the AFC East, Miami, Buffalo and the Jets are often right in the thick of the playoff race until the final weeks of the season.

Even last season, although Miami finished 6-10, with three weeks to go in the season they were 6-7 with the potential to finish 9-7.

Same for Buffalo, which was 7-7 with 2 weeks to go.

Now I'm not saying that if either of those teams made the playoffs at 9-7 they'd be Super Bowl contenders, but a 9-7 team can be much better than their record if they are peaking at the right time and are healthy.

So let's just remember that even last season when most of you would tend to think that the other AFC East teams were weak, everyone in this division was a potential playoff team with just 3 weeks to go in the season.
 
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San Diego, Denver and New England are the 3 teams that I think are a virtual lock to be the AFC representative in the Super Bowl this year.

I don't care about that crap statement that you must beat the man to be the man because in Indy's case they have simply lost way too many guys in critical areas of defense and their best offensive lineman to be a dangerous SB challenger this year - Indy is not New England and can't just replace anyone with success, the colts have lived off of getting top players in the draft and not losing much of their team. This year is different,thus comes the Super Bowl curse of having the nucleus of your team breaking up after a championship. They still have Manning, Harrison and Sanders but it won't be enough for me to put them in the top tier.

Jacksonville has their big chance to overtake Indy in the south and their defense may be the best in the league when all is said and done so they will be a team to worry about although the QB issue may be their downfall and keep them out of my elite ranking

Baltimore has a great defense but quarterback issues.

Cincinnati has a great offense but their defensive secondary is questionable.

Jets are a one year wonder.

Pittsburgh needs to adjust to a new coach after all the years of Cowher and may take a year or two to be back to prominence,this is a team not as talented as SD and needs time,also adjustment to what I think will be less smash mouth and more of a passing team as Roethlisberger wants it to be.

Everybody else is an also-ran unless we see a miracle cinderella season from one of these bottom tier teams, not likely

I think San Diego is so damn talent laden that it will easily overcome the coaching changes and a below average coach in Turner - Guys like Tomlinson and Merriman can make an average coach look great so don't think they are done or are in transition, they are a VERY dangerous team.

Denver has Shanahan and a potential Elway clone although an unproven Cutler and a heck of a secondary which will dominate most teams so they are a dangerous team too, Javon Walker will have a MONSTER season IMO.

So overall here is how I see the AFC....

ELITE TEAMS TO BE AFC RESPRESENTATIVE IN SUPER BOWL...
New England,San Diego and Denver

TEAMS ON THE BUBBLE JUST OUTSIDE OF ELITE
Indianapolis,Jacksonville

TEAMS IN CONTENTION BUT NOT QUITE A DANGEROUS TEAM
Baltimore,Pittsburgh,Cincinnati,Jets

TEAMS TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR OR LONGER
Miami,Cleveland,Houston,Tennessee,Buffalo,Kansas City,Oakland

Wow. I can't believe somebody just put Denver ahead of Indy. JWe have lost several players from last year's squad, but up until the retirement of Glenn and the Macfarland injury, none of these losses meant much to our chances this year.

Thankfully Polian drafted Ugoh this year and by all accounts he is looking really good with the first team. So while Glenn will be missed, there's hope in the horizon. Macfarland's injury has created a void at the DT position, and that has me worried. But is the sky falling? No, it's not. Quinn Pit**** (3rd rounder from Ohio) will likely have to learn faster than intially planned (same goes for Ugoh) but he's talented and our heart of the defense is Bob Sanders and Dwight Freeney anyway.

So while I agree that the AFC has 3 teams that should dominate for the most part, i disagree w/ the Denver pick. Just because they have your number doesn't mean they should be placed so high.
 
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Wow. I can't believe somebody just put Denver ahead of Indy. JWe have lost several players from last year's squad, but up until the retirement of Glenn and the Macfarland injury, none of these losses meant much to our chances this year.

Thankfully Polian drafted Ugoh this year and by all accounts he is looking really good with the first team. So while Glenn will be missed, there's hope in the horizon. Macfarland's injury has created a void at the DT position, and that has me worried. But is the sky falling? No, it's not. Quinn Pit**** (3rd rounder from Ohio) will likely have to learn faster than intially planned (same goes for Ugoh) but he's talented and our heart of the defense is Bob Sanders and Dwight Freeney anyway.

So while I agree that the AFC has 3 teams that should dominate for the most part, i disagree w/ the Denver pick. Just because they have your number doesn't mean they should be placed so high.

With a name like Coltstroll did you think we expected you to say your team is devastatingly thin this year?..Of course not

Denver looks to be a better team than Indy at least right now on paper IMO
 
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I dont think I'd put Denver ahead of Indy overall, but I do think the Broncos will go farther in the playoffs than the Colts this year. It all depends on Cutler who has proven nothing in the NFL to date.
 
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for me there are 5 very good AFC teams

NE-IND-SD-DEN and with, a small disadvantage, BAL

and CIN is not so bad too, imho

difficult to say that only 3 are running for the 'AFC team race'
 
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I dont think I'd put Denver ahead of Indy overall, but I do think the Broncos will go farther in the playoffs than the Colts this year. It all depends on Cutler who has proven nothing in the NFL to date.

Neither has Brady Quinn or Jamarcus Russell but that has not stopped teams but giving them money that 12 or more people could not normally spend in their entire lives....In other words 1st round QBs are expected to excell,about 50% do not.
 
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for me there are 5 very good AFC teams

NE-IND-SD-DEN and with, a small disadvantage, BAL

and CIN is not so bad too, imho

difficult to say that only 3 are running for the 'AFC team race'


Certain Elite
Pats. Need to keep Kool-Aid healthy. That is a MUST. Everything else should be a given barring major unforseen injuries.

Best of the Rest
Denver's hopes hinge on a 2nd year starter with 6 career starts, and aging D, and a RB who likes to cough the ball up. Nope
-Indy has suffered too many losses and no cap space to replenish the losses. Nope
-Baltimore has a QB who is held together by beer lables
-Cinci has a porus D. Good O
-SD- Norv Turner.....'nuff said
-Jets- My 5 year old throws harder than Chad Pennington. Their D is still 1-2 years away
-Jax- WRs suck. QB suck. Great D and running game. Airhead coach who cant coach

Pats are just the most well-rounded team.
 
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Neither has Brady Quinn or Jamarcus Russell but that has not stopped teams but giving them money that 12 or more people could not normally spend in their entire lives....In other words 1st round QBs are expected to excell,about 50% do not.
Then you're saying that there's a 50% chance Denver will suck, and can't be put ahead of Indy?
 
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Neglecting a diminished Indy is utter folly. The playoffs are only a few games. Anything can happen, players get hurt, sick with the flu, key bad calls, hot streak, matchups that subtly favor a team, whatever. If you'd modify LOCK to 'highest probability' I'd be more comfortable.

And that is why teams get lucky and win Super Bowls that they shouldn't.

But Indy is definitely a top team.
 
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