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I hadn't seen this mentioned and many people (including myself) usually ignore Banks, but I found this to be interesting.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/07/31/snap.judgments/1.html

Don Banks @SI.com said:
The trouble with starting a training camp tour with a stop at the Patriots in Foxboro is that every team you see thereafter tends to suffer by comparison. I watched as "The-team-that-can't-miss'' took the field last Friday, and in this case I do believe the offseason hype is right. There's good reason for all those Super Bowl expectations in New England.

Then again, I haven't made it to the Colts camp in Terre Haute, Ind., yet

I will definitely be interested in hearing Banks' take on the Colts for comparison purposes.
 
well he won't have trouble seeing over all the heads in Indy. all ten fans who show up.
 
Once the Samuel thing gets worked out, I hate to say it, but bad injuries are all that I can see stopping us. When you already have one of the best teams then add players like Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Thomas . . . I hate to be too optimistic but add in a top coaching staff and, well I just shake my head.
 
Once the Samuel thing gets worked out, I hate to say it, but bad injuries are all that I can see stopping us. When you already have one of the best teams then add players like Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Thomas . . . I hate to be too optimistic but add in a top coaching staff and, well I just shake my head.

health, chemistry, and the Detroit Lions (curse you Kitna).
 
I think BB has his dream D this year. I mean look how many guys on D are able to play multiple positions and play well. He will have them coming out of so many different looks this year Peytons' head will be spinning again.

Thomas, Meriweather, Wilson, Vrable, Tedy, Seau, Seymour, Warren (am I missing someone?) ALL have the ability to play at least two different positions.
 
well he won't have trouble seeing over all the heads in Indy. all ten fans who show up.

Compare to 17K last night, quite a contrast. Spoke to my bro in law last week went to the Vikes camp, there were about 250 folks there.
 
I think BB has his dream D this year. I mean look how many guys on D are able to play multiple positions and play well. He will have them coming out of so many different looks this year Peytons' head will be spinning again.

Thomas, Meriweather, Wilson, Vrable, Tedy, Seau, Seymour, Warren (am I missing someone?) ALL have the ability to play at least two different positions.

Remember in the 2003 Championship game....where Harrison and Law were switching positions pre-snap.
 
Remember in the 2003 Championship game....where Harrison and Law were switching positions pre-snap.

I remember that.

I'm bummed Law and Harrison only got to play together for one year. When you have two players of that caliber they can do things like that.
 
You guys need to calm down and see this with some sense of balance.

We have great off-season acquisitions. We were already in the elite tier of the conference.

But last year's team could be said to have overachieved. We did all that with a roster full of bargain basement castoff wideouts. Well okay there are other positions on the roster. But you know what I mean.

Great job, etc. But there's no guarantee that somebody else doesn't overachieve this year... and it IS possible that the "August super bowl annointment" could go to the head of a key player or two. Beyond that, we regularly say the Chargers are the more "talented" team, going by strict talent -- you think LT and company just roll over because the papers said we're in?

Every team goes to war every Sunday. Okay, also not true. In fact I don't know if the Lions EVER do... but most games are basically pitched battles. You have to prove it every week on the field, not at the contract signing table.

Relax guys. The season will be here soon enough... stop the jaw-flapping about "I don't see what's stopping us." 31 other teams of highly trained, skilled, and paid professional athletes, and the 31 best coaching minds (or at least a good proportion of them), that the country has to offer.

This can go south in a hurry, never forget.

If our boys start thinking like that, we can start thinking about a high first round draft pick next year, if ya know what I'm sayin'.

PFnV
 
But last year's team could be said to have overachieved.

Well, I hate to be a homer, but I really think last years team wasn't overachieving any more than any other Patriots team for the last few years. The Patriots were the best team in the league last year, with the possible exception of the Chargers. I'm not sure how that is "overachieving". It was what it was.

You want to talk about overachieving, let's talk about the Colts D in the playoffs last year (except versus the Pats).
 
You guys need to calm down and see this with some sense of balance. Who is blowing this out of proportion or acting all crazy?

We have great off-season acquisitions. We were already in the elite tier of the conference.

But last year's team could be said to have overachieved. We did all that with a roster full of bargain basement castoff wideouts. Well okay there are other positions on the roster. But you know what I mean.

Great job, etc. But there's no guarantee that somebody else doesn't overachieve this year... and it IS possible that the "August super bowl annointment" could go to the head of a key player or two. Beyond that, we regularly say the Chargers are the more "talented" team, going by strict talent -- you think LT and company just roll over because the papers said we're in?

Could you please show me where anyone is implying anything you said? The only people who have commented on this have shown cautious optimism. No player has said a damn thing. In fact, IF a player has commented on it at all, they've either blown it off or said that its too early to tell anything.

Every team goes to war every Sunday. Okay, also not true. In fact I don't know if the Lions EVER do... but most games are basically pitched battles. You have to prove it every week on the field, not at the contract signing table.

Relax guys. The season will be here soon enough... stop the jaw-flapping about "I don't see what's stopping us." 31 other teams of highly trained, skilled, and paid professional athletes, and the 31 best coaching minds (or at least a good proportion of them), that the country has to offer.

Again, I don't see anyone going hyper or anything of the sort unless you are totally blowing what BBfan said out of proportion

This can go south in a hurry, never forget.

BBfan said just that.

If our boys start thinking like that, we can start thinking about a high first round draft pick next year, if ya know what I'm sayin'.

PFnV

I don't see anyone over-reacting here, except maybe you. And I sure as don't see the Pats players thinking anything but getting the job done one practice at a time and one game at a time.

Heck, even my first post didn't put much credence into Banks' opinion other than I found it interesting...
 
No, no player has said anything but the right things, and I'm not sitting here suspecting that the Pats are somehow magically incapable of focus. I am acknowledging that a sh*tload of stuff happens in a season. So if I've made up a straw man in your estimation, fine... statements like "other than injury, I don't see anything stopping us" have, in fact, been tempered here with other statements like "I hate to be optimistic."

So, sure, I'm reacting to the "Optimism Principal" as much as any one individual's posts, or Banks' article. Certainly, I am not finding material saying the players are blowing off the season -- which is why I did not say or imply that that was the case.

What I am saying is that it takes very little for a team to go from a prohibitive favorite to fighting for their playoff spot. Sure that's a big dive... but it can happen.

Part of me feels the same way. Invincible, except maybe this, or maybe that. The other part of me says stop the coronation, we have to play a football season.

PFnV
 
Always remember, PFnV ...
they are players.
They are coaches.

We are fans.

Irrational exuberance before the season
is all that fans of most teams get.
We, however, get it both now ... and, Deo volente, in February.
 
Dabnabbit psycho pat, I feel like pissing on everybody's parade today consarnit. And talking like a grizzled 19th century prospector.

Can't help it. 2 guys in my office insist (respectively) that the Redskins and Gintz are going to the super bowl. I always ask 'em where they're buying the tickets.

God help me, I don't want to be those guys.

One game at a time for me. Until I get irrationally exuberant myself, of course.

PFnV
 
Dabnabbit psycho pat, I feel like pissing on everybody's parade today consarnit. And talking like a grizzled 19th century prospector.

Bart, what have I told you? :D
 
Can't help it. 2 guys in my office insist (respectively) that the Redskins and Gintz are going to the super bowl. I always ask 'em where they're buying the tickets.

God help me, I don't want to be those guys. PFnV

Well, why didn't you say so? Just put those two in a room together and let them wear each other out. Then remind them that the NFC is the inferior conference. :D
 
2 guys in my office insist (respectively) that the Redskins and Gintz are going to the super bowl.

PFnV

Only way Skins and Gnats are going to this years super bowl will be as spectators.....
 
Dabnabbit psycho pat, I feel like pissing on everybody's parade today consarnit. And talking like a grizzled 19th century prospector.

Can't help it. 2 guys in my office insist (respectively) that the Redskins and Gintz are going to the super bowl. I always ask 'em where they're buying the tickets.

God help me, I don't want to be those guys.

One game at a time for me. Until I get irrationally exuberant myself, of course.

PFnV


So I guess the NFL will be barring AFC reps from the Super Bowl!?
 
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