Hairston cut/Stallworth to Active/PUP

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

Unless another RB is signed, we are dangerously thin at the position.

Does anyone know if this release was injury-related, and if it was, when did this injury occur?

We need more RBs for TC, and less WRs. Right now.

no they are not.....off the top of my head, they have maroney, morris, faulk, evans, and someone whose name escapes me right now.

 

[zippo59]

Does Stallworth count against the roster total?

 

[pats1]

no they are not.....off the top of my head, they have maroney, morris, faulk, evans, and someone whose name escapes me right now.

Quinton Smith.

Does Stallworth count against the roster total?

Yes.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

Dangerously thin at RB? What team are you looking at. We pretty much already have our RB roster decided as it is. Maroney-Faulk-Morris-Evans. There isn't much room for another player to get in there. I feel pretty comfortable with it the way it is. Each player has his role. We aren't one of these teams that needs a Pro Bowl running back. As long as the running game at least compliments the passing game, then it will be fine. Maroney could give us more than that if he is as good as I think he will be.

I'll tell you what I am looking at.
Maroney - spent the better part of the 2nd half of the season injured and had off-season surgery
Kevin Faulk - He's been injured every year at one point or another.
Sammy Morris- He's the only one that has shown excellent ability to stay healthy.
Heath Evans - Has problems running the ball. Can't be relied upon in short yardage situations. Only an average blocker.

I really don't want to see a re-hash of 2005 when the Pats had to get Mike Cloud on the roster. And he was their 5th option...

 

[Crowpointer]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

If the Jets don't snap him up, Hairston is most likely heading for the shadow roster.

The only roster Hairston is heading to is one of these New England Footaball league semi pro teams:

Middleboro Cobras (MA)
Boston Bandits (MA) Rhode Island Raptors (RI) Weymouth Sharks (MA)
New England Hawks (MA)
Southern Maine Raging Bulls (ME) Worcester Wildcats (MA) Greater Lowell Nor'easter(MA)

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

BB has to cut somewhere, a late-round draft pick on PUP (giving him the benefit of the doubt that it's injury vice performance related) is a natural cut.

I don't get this. Why is it natural to keep UDFAs and cut drafted rookies. Why give a guy a $55,000 signing bonus and cut him before he steps onto the field, while keeping WRs like CJ Jones and Chris Dunlop who have absolutely zero chance of making the team, and who may not even get a rep all summer?

I have no problem cutting Hairston, but it is not natural to cut a drafted player on Day One of Training Camp. There is more to this than is currently known.

 

[spacecrime]

Tom Casale said something about Hairston irked him in minicamp. According to Casale, he didn't look like he was making the most of the opportunity given to him.

If anyone should recognize someone having a great opportunity and totally screwing it up, Casale is the one.

 

[sieglo]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

I really don't want to see a re-hash of 2005 when the Pats had to get Mike Cloud on the roster. And he was their 5th option...

Pats actually made Cloud look pretty good in a few of those games....

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

Pats actually made Cloud look pretty good in a few of those games....

Yeah, but that's not saying much.

The Pats proved that they don't have faith in Heath Evans carrying the load when they didn't go to him on 1st and 10 from the Colts 29 yard line.

P.S. Glad to see you corrected yourself about the 21 game winning streak

 

[Patstopia]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

I don't get this. Why is it natural to keep UDFAs and cut drafted rookies. Why give a guy a $55,000 signing bonus and cut him before he steps onto the field, while keeping WRs like CJ Jones and Chris Dunlop who have absolutely zero chance of making the team, and who may not even get a rep all summer?

I have no problem cutting Hairston, but it is not natural to cut a drafted player on Day One of Training Camp. There is more to this than is currently known.

I agree, it's been a very strange day one. Between this and Brown, makes you wonder whats going on with the rookies.

 

[PATRIOT64]

I never understood of how rookies like these with all possibilities of mega millions in their future have no desire to truly give 150% is unbelievable to me.

I own my own business and I am the boss but if I had a boss who said if I worked hard in a few years I would receive millions, you bet your ***** I would be the best damn employee he ever had.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

I don't get this. Why is it natural to keep UDFAs and cut drafted rookies. Why give a guy a $55,000 signing bonus and cut him before he steps onto the field, while keeping WRs like CJ Jones and Chris Dunlop who have absolutely zero chance of making the team, and who may not even get a rep all summer?

I have no problem cutting Hairston, but it is not natural to cut a drafted player on Day One of Training Camp. There is more to this than is currently known.

C'mon Space, "PUP." Those UDFA's "can" practice, this kid "can not." As long as Active PUP counts against the roster limit, then what does he do for the team? All we know at this point is the kid was reported to be on the PUP list a couple days ago - today the Pats "confirmed" their PUP list, including adding Stallworth to the early whispers, and cut early whisper Hairston as reports of Meriweather's signing rolled in. Until one of the reliable news hounds gets some off the record tidbits we can only treat this as an injury release - if the kid was likely to be ready soon they may have gone another way. Crap happens, I'd still like to see some of the guys who have been cut already back in camp for some work in pads, but someone is going to need to get hurt to make that happen - not something I want to encourage.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

Yeah, but that's not saying much.

The Pats proved that they don't have faith in Heath Evans carrying the load when they didn't go to him on 1st and 10 from the Colts 29 yard line.

P.S. Glad to see you corrected yourself about the 21 game winning streak

Huh? Heath Evans is our 3 yards and a cloud of dust short yardage back. He's never been the featured back. That doesn't show lack of faith, that just shows that Heath Evans has a specific role, which is not a 1st and 10 back. Besides which your hypothetical situation lacks critical information such as game situation, whether or not the Pats are behind or ahead, need to score quickly, or kill clock, etc.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

C'mon Space, "PUP." Those UDFA's "can" practice, this kid "can not." As long as Active PUP counts against the roster limit, then what does he do for the team?

1. He was on PUP, not IR. As such, he could have practiced today if not hurt. That's what I'm saying. There is more to this than meets the eye. Cut a draft pick on day one is weird, not natural.

Also, even if he doesn't practice this summer, a RB on PUP that can come off in week 6, a RB BB thought highly enough of to draft, is worth less than either of 2 UDFA WRs? I don't think so. We're going to cut either Gaffney or Caldwell, what's the point of keeping Dunlop/Jones at the expense of losing a young RB? If Hairston has no chance at making the team, or is an "example" or "object lesson" cut, fine. But day one of tc is too early to cut draft picks while retaining guys who don't even qualify as camp fodder. If those UDFAs (Jones/Dunlop) get any more than token reps, I'll be amazed.

We may be are cross-communication here. I was responding to your comment that cutting late-round draft pick on day one is natural. I don't think it is. He went from PUP to cut on day one of camp, and I still think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Otherwise they would have kept him longer, and let go either CJ Jones or Chris Dunlop, neither of which have much of a chance even to make the ps.

 

[zippo59]

I wish we knew what Stallworth's injury was.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

Huh? Heath Evans is our 3 yards and a cloud of dust short yardage back. He's never been the featured back. That doesn't show lack of faith, that just shows that Heath Evans has a specific role, which is not a 1st and 10 back. Besides which your hypothetical situation lacks critical information such as game situation, whether or not the Pats are behind or ahead, need to score quickly, or kill clock, etc.

Heath Evans SUCKS as a short-yardage back. As for Heath's role, when you are the LAST healthy RB, then the team needs to have faith that you can get some yards when they hand you the ball.

My situation wasn't hypothetical. It was the AFC Championship game against the Colts. 4th Quarter. 4:39 left in the game. Game tied 31-31. Ball on the Colts 29 after a completion to Graham. At that point, you run the ball to run time off the clock or force the Colts to use their time outs. The result was that the Pats took less than a minute off the clock and turned the ball over to the Colts after a measly FG. Had they run the ball, At worst, they SHOULD have been able to get 2-3 yards per carry on the 1st two carries and run as much as a minute off the clock for each play. That would have brought them to 3rd and between 4 and 6 yards and just shy of the two minute warning and they could have run the clock down to the two minute warning before taking the 3rd down play. Then at the very least, Manning gets the ball back with less than 1:30 to play and starting deep in his territory. It also would have bought our defense time they needed to rest.

Also, while Evans was never the "featured" back coming out of TC, in 2005, he was the starting RB for the Pats in the Miami game after the Pats had signed him.

Basically, what I am saying is this talk of Heath Evans as the "4th RB" isn't viable.

 

[captain stone]

All in all, I'd rather have drafted DeShawn Wynn, if this release is less injury-related, and more attitude-related.

 

[patchick]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

I don't get this. Why is it natural to keep UDFAs and cut drafted rookies. Why give a guy a $55,000 signing bonus and cut him before he steps onto the field, while keeping WRs like CJ Jones and Chris Dunlop who have absolutely zero chance of making the team, and who may not even get a rep all summer?

I have no problem cutting Hairston, but it is not natural to cut a drafted player on Day One of Training Camp. There is more to this than is currently known.

I'm with you on this. It's not a shining day for the team's talent evaluators when a draft pick is shown the door before training camp. NOT normal.

 

[Remix 6]

I wish we knew what Stallworth's injury was.

lol..I wish we knew what any player's injury is...what exactly during the season and during offseason.

We just know some that have leaked out like Chad Jackson which I was the 1st one to bring up about 2 weeks before the news came out. We also know Troy has a knee injury...and Eddie Jackson from last year.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Hairston Cut/Stallworth to PUP

1. He was on PUP, not IR. As such, he could have practiced today if not hurt. That's what I'm saying. There is more to this than meets the eye. Cut a draft pick on day one is weird, not natural.

Also, even if he doesn't practice this summer, a RB on PUP that can come off in week 6, a RB BB thought highly enough of to draft, is worth less than either of 2 UDFA WRs? I don't think so. We're going to cut either Gaffney or Caldwell, what's the point of keeping Dunlop/Jones at the expense of losing a young RB? If Hairston has no chance at making the team, or is an "example" or "object lesson" cut, fine. But day one of tc is too early to cut draft picks while retaining guys who don't even qualify as camp fodder. If those UDFAs (Jones/Dunlop) get any more than token reps, I'll be amazed.

We may be are cross-communication here. I was responding to your comment that cutting late-round draft pick on day one is natural. I don't think it is. He went from PUP to cut on day one of camp, and I still think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Otherwise they would have kept him longer, and let go either CJ Jones or Chris Dunlop, neither of which have much of a chance even to make the ps.

We may be cross-communicating. The "natural" isn't an indication that cutting a draft pick is a preferred or normal route.

I do believe cutting a late round pick who is starting Training Camp on PUP, due to presumed injury, is a more "natural" choice then cutting a WR who 'can' practice, despite a presumed hopeless case behind more established talent.

We may speculate that Hairston stubbed his toe on the standards expected of a Patriot, but Keep It Simple Stupid is still my standard for deep thinking and I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt until given reason to change my mind. At this time all we have is a note that Casale put some bad mouth on him, I haven't seen the comment Pats1 references and I don't yet trust Casale's unsubstantiated reports.

For now, Hairston is still available to the Pats assuming he heals up and stays in shape.