Product of the system?

[Drewwho]

I blame the 'system' crap on Charlie Weiss. It was he who claimed Brady was doing 'well in the system they placed around him in 2001'...that stigma has stuck with Brady! Those who just could not figure out how a 6th rounder could be so accurate, so smart and just win needed to hang their hat on something in order to prove to themselves that someone that incredible could last into the 6th round of the NFL draft.

For those who witnessed the 2006 season and saw Tom Brady lead a team with virtually no running game and subpar WR's to the AFC Championship game and STILL call him a system QB...well, those people are ignorant and are just trying to get you riled up. They are not worth your breathe or energy!

 

[Asante4prez]

Heres a simple retort for any moron who says this. This "system" was 5-13 before Brady took over.

exactly....

 

[DaBruinz]

Kinda hard to tell either way because he's only been in one system, but he wasn't the star at Michigan that he is in NE. Michigan isn't a small school so you can't say he was not surrounded by talent or a good system. The only way you can make a statement that Brady isn't the product of a system is to send him to the worst team in the league and see how he plays there. If he takes that team to the playoffs and deep into the playoffs, then I would agree it's not about the system for him. Till then Brady will be considered a system QB by many in the NFL.

Every GOOD QB is the result of the SYSTEM. Even Montana and Theismann have said as much. But, they've also said that its a GOOD QB who makes the system work.

Its idiots who don't understand the game who claim that its ONLY the system that makes Brady good.

Also, BTW, Brady was a damn good QB at Michigan. The problem was the Alumni who pressured to get Drew Henson in the games up there. That's the only reason there were any issues with Brady at Michigan.

The reason the Pats system has worked is because Brady understands it and works with the coaches to get the other players to buy in. That's part of Brady's leadership ability.

Brady isn't like that spoiled little child in Indy who throws his teammates under the bus when they don't succeed. Brady takes responsibility even when its not his.

FTP, why don't you go back to watching your Phins... or have you realized just how bad they are going to be and you want to bandwagon hop?

 

[DaBruinz]

So because of 18 games, that answers the question??? I think until he plays in a different system you'll never know. Since no one can see Brady anywhere but NE, that question will never be answered...unless this is BB last year and you hire a new coach with an entirely different system.

That's just the idiot talking. Someone who doesn't understand the game worth a damn.

Listen, since Brady has been in New England, they have run numerous different base offenses. Yet the Pats have succeeded because of Brady. Not despite him. The Pats will be running an offense this year that will be different than last years. Primarily because they are continuing with a new run blocking scheme and they are going to more WR sets and less of the 2 TE sets that we saw last year.

Oh, btw, the McDaniels run offense is different than the Weis run offenses. So we can say that the question has been answered.

 

[DaBruinz]

Are you suggesting you got stomped by the worst team in the league last year?

Any given sunday. Its why they play the games. Even the Faiders won 2 games last year.

 

[sieglo]

Kinda hard to tell either way because he's only been in one system, but he wasn't the star at Michigan that he is in NE. Michigan isn't a small school so you can't say he was not surrounded by talent or a good system. The only way you can make a statement that Brady isn't the product of a system is to send him to the worst team in the league and see how he plays there. If he takes that team to the playoffs and deep into the playoffs, then I would agree it's not about the system for him. Till then Brady will be considered a system QB by many in the NFL.

Isn't this what happened with Brady in 2001? Result = SB victory.

And the Michigan situation for Brady was ridiculous. Nobody could have been successful in those circumstances.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

How many fans are sick of people telling them that Tom Brady is merely a product of the system?

Every season I have to hear from a bunch of idiots that say this over and over again. Sure Brady has a very good Offensive line here in New England, but I wouldn't call him a "product of our system". I think If Brady went to an Atlanta or a Jacksonville(hypothetical!!!!), he would have no problem being a superstar there as well.

Peyton Manning doesn't have a great O-line? You wanna talk about a "product of a system". The guy never gets sacked and last time I checked Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne are pretty outstanding recievers.


give me a break....

Go ahead and make the argument that Brady isn't a product of the system, I would'nt agrue against you, he's a great QB.

But calling Manning the product of the system? Petyon Manning is the system. He is the offensive coordinator and quarterback. No one has ever ran a team the way he does, I hate to say this, but when it's all over, he'll probably be known as the best ever. Reggie Wayne is a guy that Peyton Manning has made his stats better. He puts them in a position to make a play then when the get there, he plants the ball on their numbers each time.

 

[TripleOption]

Petyon Manning is the system. He is the offensive coordinator and quarterback. No one has ever ran a team the way he does, I hate to say this, but when it's all over, he'll probably be known as the best ever.

You could make the same argument for Brady. He sets the blocking and calls as many audibles as anyone.

 

[TripleOption]

Are you suggesting you got stomped by the worst team in the league last year?

Are you suggesting that the Dolphins aren't horrible?

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

You could make the same argument for Brady. He sets the blocking and calls as many audibles as anyone.

Yeah but it's not what Manning does. He is given several plays to chose from then he picks it. How many QBs have that power?

Are you suggesting that the Dolphins aren't horrible?

Let me jump in and say I'd suggest that. Our defense is too good to make us a horrible team. You guys learned that first hand last year.

 

[TripleOption]

Yeah but it's not what Manning does. He is given several plays to chose from then he picks it. How many QBs have that power?

Are you serious? A ton of QB's from High School to the NFL run "check with me's". To even suggest that Manning is unique in that respect is laughable. Brady has been involved in the play calling process since his second year as a starter.

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Are you serious? A ton of QB's from High School to the NFL run "check with me's". To even suggest that Manning is unique in that respect is laughable. Brady has been involved in the play calling process since his second year as a starter.

No one does it like Manning, there's no denying that. To compare any one else's intelect as a QB with him is the laughable statement.

 

[Drewwho]

Manning has had the same OL, WR's and Coordinator for years.
Brady has NOT!

Manning = more of a system QB than Brady who has proven to be adaptable!

I would love to see Manning take Gaffney and Caldwell to a Championship game!

 

[gomezcat]

Anyone who thinks that a system makes any QB should try to get themselves into the NFL at that position. It is the same thing that was sometimes said about Montana, i.e. that the West Coast offence made him look better than he was. Well, the West Coast didn't spend years honing his arm strength, going to the gym every day, running daily, learning playbooks and practicing.

The system didn't train for hours on end with his receivers on various routes and timing patterns. Most of all, the system didn't give him that ice in his veins when the pressure was really on. The same applies to Brady, Manning, Marino etc etc.

No system in the world will help you if you can't make good decisions and throw the ball accurately.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Kinda hard to tell either way because he's only been in one system, but he wasn't the star at Michigan that he is in NE. Michigan isn't a small school so you can't say he was not surrounded by talent or a good system. The only way you can make a statement that Brady isn't the product of a system is to send him to the worst team in the league and see how he plays there. If he takes that team to the playoffs and deep into the playoffs, then I would agree it's not about the system for him. Till then Brady will be considered a system QB by many in the NFL.

"Brady played college football for and graduated from the University of Michigan. He sat on the bench his first two years as teammate and future NFL quarterback Brian Griese led the Wolverines to a national championship in 1997. When he enrolled at Michigan, Brady was seventh on the depth chart and had an intense struggle to get some playing time. At one point, Brady hired a sports psychologist to help him cope with frustration and anxiety and even considered transferring, frustrated by what seemed like a lack of opportunity.[8] Brady battled for the first string quarterback position with Drew Henson and ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts (350) and completions in a season (214).[9] Brady was All-Big Ten both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference title in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl. In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns."-Wikipedia

Wow, he sucked in college. How did they win despite him? But you're right, he would probably fail in Miami. They're 10x worse than Michigan in 1998-99.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yeah but it's not what Manning does. He is given several plays to chose from then he picks it. How many QBs have that power?

Let me jump in and say I'd suggest that. Our defense is too good to make us a horrible team. You guys learned that first hand last year.

Actually, Brady DOES have that power. The difference between Brady and Manning is that Manning thinks he knows more about opposing teams than the coaches and regularly calls things differently from what the coaches called in where Brady, having FAITH in his coaches, selects from the plays he's given.

 

[TripleOption]

No one does it like Manning, there's no denying that. To compare any one else's intelect as a QB with him is the laughable statement.

1. You should learn how to spell "intellect" before using it to insult another person's intelligence.

2. As another poster stated, Manning has has the same OC, system, WR and HC for a very long time. His OL has remained intact. I was just watching an NFL Network show about him and Harrison...Manning has had Harrison for NINE YEARS. Brady's most talented receiver was Deion Branch. Branch on his best day couldn't hold Harrison's jocks dn Brady only worked with him for a few years. Until the Pats got Corey, Brady won two Super Bowls with Antowain Smith at RB. The offensive talent levels of surrounding personnel aren't even close.

 

[feelthepain]

Wow, he sucked in college. How did they win despite him? But you're right, he would probably fail in Miami. They're 10x worse than Michigan in 1998-99.

Ummm, who said Brady sucked in college?

 

[OhExaulted1]

Ummm, who said Brady sucked in college?

You implied he was the product of a system, then ignored the fact that he played in a COMPLETELY different system at Michigan. He's succeeded in 2 different "systems".

Why does he have to play for a Miami or Tampa Bay to prove he's one of the best? Obviously he'd be a vast improvement over any QB's currently on those rosters.

 

[feelthepain]

You implied he was the product of a system, then ignored the fact that he played in a COMPLETELY different system at Michigan. He's succeeded in 2 different "systems".

Why does he have to play for a Miami or Tampa Bay to prove he's one of the best? Obviously he'd be a vast improvement over any QB's currently on those rosters.

Why is it Pats fans can't have a conversation unless someone is telling them how great their team is? You act as if being the product of a system is an insult, who cares what it is, as long as it works?