Am I the only one really disgusted by Brady Quinn?

[patriot lifer]

i feel like he underperformed in college and will in the nfl. Remember Aaron Rogers. I think #24 in the draft. He was the #2 qb in that draft and fell like a rock. Maybe Quinn's too redolent of Rogers. It's just my opinion.

But I guess you're right QuiGon, he does have leverage to strike a good deal being a top prospect.

i still pity the Browns

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The Final Jeopardy Answer Is: He gives Gene Upshaw that just banged the neighbor's cat glow of fulfillment.

Answer Is: Who is Tom Condon?

As for the Mall price gouging report...did Quinn sign over his marketing to Condon too? Poor Quinn, Condon is looking to recoup on what he considers to be "his" losses, instead of playing for his client's chance to renegotiate a whopper contract in a couple years.

 

[patriot lifer]

at least Thomas is signed now. The Browns needed that

 

[QuiGon]

i feel like he underperformed in college and will in the nfl. Remember Aaron Rogers. I think #24 in the draft. He was the #2 qb in that draft and fell like a rock. Maybe Quinn's too redolent of Rogers. It's just my opinion.

But I guess you're right QuiGon, he does have leverage to strike a good deal being a top prospect.

i still pity the Browns

I pity Romeo Crennel. His job is on the line here. If he does what's best for the Browns in the long term, he'll be starting Quinn by the end of October... but that might cost him some wins, and his job, in the short term.

 

[unoriginal]

That's because ND, for most of the past 25 years, ran an option offense. A guy like Tony Rice was a great college QB but would never be seen as a pro prospect.

I admit my mind is fuzzy on what offense Notre Dame ran and when, I was young then. But were Rick Mirer and Ron Powlus really option quarterbacks? I don't remember them rushing like Scott Frost or Eric Crouch.

Rice operated at something less than a 2:1 ratio between pass and run yards. So I can understand the argument that he was really a running back. But that's one guy.

 

[QuiGon]

I admit my mind is fuzzy on what offense Notre Dame ran and when, I was young then. But were Rick Mirer and Ron Powlus really option quarterbacks? I don't remember them rushing like Scott Frost or Eric Crouch.

No, I wouldn't consider those guys option QBs. Hence my statement "most of" instead of "all of" the past quarter century. Perhaps "most of" is an overstatement but, especially during their glory years under Lou Holtz, the option was in favor.

Fact is that it is silly to call ND QB's over that time period "busts" because, quite honestly, only one of them was all that highly touted (Mirer). It just isn't a QB-producing school (before Weis). And while I'll agree Mirer was a bust, he certainly doesn't fall in quite as poorly as those such as Leaf, Shuler or Akili Smith.

 

[DaBruinz]

Out of curiosity, what are Quinn's contract demands for the last 3 years of his contract? I see people up in arms, but no one has said exactly why.

 

[PonyExpress]

Does it disgust you when other athletes (either current players or top draft picks) do the exact same thing..? Or is Brady Quinn the only special one to incur your criticism...?

Any millionaire player, and especially an unproven one, who gouges kids for autographs digusts me. Hopefully that clears it up.

 

[unoriginal]

No, I wouldn't consider those guys option QBs. Hence my statement "most of" instead of "all of" the past quarter century. Perhaps "most of" is an overstatement but, especially during their glory years under Lou Holtz, the option was in favor.

Fact is that it is silly to call ND QB's over that time period "busts" because, quite honestly, only one of them was all that highly touted (Mirer). It just isn't a QB-producing school (before Weis). And while I'll agree Mirer was a bust, he certainly doesn't fall in quite as poorly as those such as Leaf, Shuler or Akili Smith.

Powlus I remember being highly touted, Jarious Jackson was considered a solid late round prospect. Besides them, Mirer, and Quinn, there haven't really been that many other quarterbacks in the past two decades. Really, between all four of them, that's something like 15 years of starting experience at a program that was supposed to produce players that could actually do something at a pro level.

Compare that track record to a similar well-known, northern program, Michigan, over that same period. Harbaugh, Grbac, Collins, Griese, Brady (of course), Navarre... all had varying collegiate and draft "ratings," but most by and large have performed at or beyond expectations at the pro level. You haven't seen that with Notre Dame QBs since... well, Montana and Beuerlein.

It's not like Ohio State or Nebraska, where its almost a forgone conclusion whatever quarterback they use will do didily squat in the NFL.

 

[QuiGon]

Powlus I remember being highly touted,

Powlus was never a highly touted pro QB. He may have been highly touted in the college ranks, but we are talking about pro busts.

Jarious Jackson was considered a solid late round prospect.

There's no such thing as a "solid late round prospect". He was drafted in the 7th round and I don't even know if he ever played. Tough to call a 7th rounder a "bust".

It's not like Ohio State or Nebraska, where its almost a forgone conclusion whatever quarterback they use will do didily squat in the NFL.

Actually, before Weis, they kinda are a lot like those schools in that they just are not seen as a QB-producing school.

Tell me... just out of curiousity... why do you hate Notre Dame so much..?

 

[zippo59]

How this behavior affects other rookies is the last thing Quinn should be worried about. The only one he is hurting is himself. He is already creating problems with his organization before he has ever taken a snap. If they made a step by step guide on how to be a draft bust, step number one would be to hold out of training camp. The Brown's QB situation is an open competition, with three possible players. Quinn is just putting himself at a disadvantage in that race. They're going to go for the guy who does the best in training camp. How can Quinn do that when he is not there and then when he does report will already be behind. He is trying the Brown's patience, and when you are a rookie QB who is naturally going to struggle you need the franchise's support behind you. Quinn has a right to do what he is doing, but he is only hurting himself. Quinn should use his play, not his contract, to show that he should have been drafted higher, but it's not like he is breaking any rules. I don't buy it that some other rookie is going to look at that situation and say, "hey, I should hold out too." Meriweather might not sign but if he doesn't I highly doubt it has anything to do with what Brady Quinn is doing.

 

[BWareofDWare]

I pity Romeo Crennel. His job is on the line here. If he does what's best for the Browns in the long term, he'll be starting Quinn by the end of October... but that might cost him some wins, and his job, in the short term.

I don't know about this one. As a Cowboys fan I have a vested interest in the Browns failure this season, and Derek Anderson kind of scares me. Not in a playoff threat type of fear, but in a taking a 3-13 team to an 8-8 team kind of way. His stats last year are not overly impressive, 1-3 with 5 TDs and 8 INTs. But you take out a 4 INT game when he played through a separated shoulder vs Tampa Bay, and they're a lot better than you'd think. He did a good job verse Kansas City in his first game where they won, and then lost @Pit and @Baltimore, throwing equal number of TDs and picks in those games. Call me crazy but for a 3rd year guy I think it's not time to close the book on him.

 

[Warren94]

I don't know about this one. As a Cowboys fan I have a vested interest in the Browns failure this season, and Derek Anderson kind of scares me. Not in a playoff threat type of fear, but in a taking a 3-13 team to an 8-8 team kind of way. His stats last year are not overly impressive, 1-3 with 5 TDs and 8 INTs. But you take out a 4 INT game when he played through a separated shoulder vs Tampa Bay, and they're a lot better than you'd think. He did a good job verse Kansas City in his first game where they won, and then lost @Pit and @Baltimore, throwing equal number of TDs and picks in those games. Call me crazy but for a 3rd year guy I think it's not time to close the book on him.

You have nothing to worry about. Definitely a lock for a top 10 pick.

 

[QuiGon]

You have nothing to worry about. Definitely a lock for a top 10 pick.

Maybe even 2

 

[unoriginal]

Tell me... just out of curiousity... why do you hate Notre Dame so much..?

Hate is something you are reading into this. I am unimpressed by the QBs they have produced since 1990. You often see college programs produce QBs in a series and I'm pointing out Brady Quinn would have to be a new start, he's not coming out of a place or program that's been especially nurturing, for whatever reason. Weis is the only factor in his favor, but unlike Brady, you don't see performance in big games.

For clarification, Jackson would be an example of a "solid" "has all the tools" prospect like Cassel, versus someone like Heupel or Kingsbury.

 

[QuiGon]

Hate is something you are reading into this.

Ah yes... the mantra of those who hate Notre Dame... That's the official motto of the We-Hate-Notre-Dame-Club... "I don't hate Notre Dame, what are you talking about..?"

I am unimpressed by the QBs they have produced since 1990.

They're not a QB-producing school. Well, before Weis that is. It will be interesting to see what Weis can do with a team that is now all his...

 

[Warren94]

Maybe even 2

Can u say OL or RB? McFadden from Arkansas if he comes out.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Yeah... Brady Quinn really should compromise himself and settle for less money so that other 1st rounders get signed in time. Because that should be his priority... not his contract and his team, but all the other 1st rounders....

First of all why the attitude do you think your tough? Your not.

Did you see the money hes asking for? No, then dont but in.

 

[Fogbuster]

I dont even think thats the case. I think his agent (condon) has brain washed him into believing he is actually worth this much money no matter if he was taken #1 or #240.

:explative:

Agents.



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[dryheat44]

im dissappointed with Quinn

poor kid dropped so far..really wanted to play for Browns

now guess what..hes complaining about money. he says he was worth a top 10 pick. i guess any player can say that. u werent a top 10 pick..face it. you were 22nd or w.e. so instead of whining about it, be happy your in the NFL and on the team you wanted to play for since you were a little kid

And if I'm the Browns, I counter it with the argument "Well, if we didn't trade up to get you, you would have fallen to the second round, so we're going to pay you like a second rounder." See if that knocks some sense to him. Kellen Winslow played this game his rookie year also. Saying he should be paid the same as the overall #1 pick because there were some teams that reportedly thought he was the best player in the draft.

Quinn comes off as a very spoiled kid who's been coddled from "go". After sitting and crying on draft day, you would think he'd sign early, get in camp, and prove everybody made a mistake by passing on him. Right now, the message is "I know I'm not very good, and a bit of a fraud, so I'd better get as much as I can now."