Kelley Washington activated from PUP

[Pats726]

I don't recall anyone being put on that list brcause of the run.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but i don't think so.

Well...basically whether technically put ON the list or the fact that you do not practice is basically PUPed. I think Kelley two years ago had trouble and was cut for that. It happens. If you read Tomase/Breer, yesterday I believe they had this...

"As a quick add-on to the story,(WHICH was about PUP) the book’s not closed on the list yet. The team will hold its conditioning run tomorrow and, thereafter, it’s possible additions are made to the list."

I think the inference from that is that if one does NOT pass the test, PUP is the option.

Given how many players are from different teams, it just shows that some may NOT be used to the conditioning needed for the team. I think it's silly to start making judgments on that right away. Also notice, if indeed that is what happened, he came to camp early and made sure he passed before camp was scheduled..OR when the bulk of the runs will happen, today. Not making excuses for him, but wait until there is something substantive. I REALLY doubt that a conditioning run will be a deciding factor. As I said, if that shows more him not being in shape during camp, it's another story.

 

[37Harrison]

Well...basically whether technically put ON the list or the fact that you do not practice is basically PUPed. I think Kelley two years ago had trouble and was cut for that. It happens. If you read Tomase/Breer, yesterday I believe they had this...

"As a quick add-on to the story,(WHICH was about PUP) the book’s not closed on the list yet. The team will hold its conditioning run tomorrow and, thereafter, it’s possible additions are made to the list."

I think the inference from that is that if one does NOT pass the test, PUP is the option.
Given how many players are from different teams, it just shows that some may NOT be used to the conditioning needed for the team. I think it's silly to start making judgments on that right away. Also notice, if indeed that is what happened, he came to camp early and made sure he passed before camp was scheduled..OR when the bulk of the runs will happen, today. Not making excuses for him, but wait until there is something substantive. I REALLY doubt that a conditioning run will be a deciding factor. As I said, if that shows more him not being in shape during camp, it's another story.

I think that your thoughts are correct. 1+1=2 If they don't pass the conditioning test, look for more players to be added to the PUP list.

 

[Displaced - Fan]

Yes, BB has said that if they can't pass the conditioning test then he can't put them out on the field.

Right, but it's difficult to have the test when they haven't even started camp yet. The tests, I would think, will start tomorrow. They are only starting to report to camp today.

Then again I could be wrong. It's been common in the past for new players to fail the test the first time or two. I wouldn't read anything in to it.

 

[Rob0729]

Right, but it's difficult to have the test when they haven't even started camp yet. The tests, I would think, will start tomorrow. They are only starting to report to camp today.

Then again I could be wrong. It's been common in the past for new players to fail the test the first time or two. I wouldn't read anything in to it.

I thought the conditioning run was the day before the first day of camp with some stragglers getting tested the day of camp. Players report a day early for their physical and I thought their conditioning run. Assuming that a player reported earlier than that, they could have gotten their physical and conditioning run done days early.

 

[captain stone]

Technically Belichick originally came out and raved about Washington when he came out of the draft noting that his injury history is long but was worth the risk because of potentially what he could become.

He did?

Then why did he draft Bethel Johnson instead?

Anyway, I give a pass to any new guy who fails the run on the first try, as long as he passes it on his second try.

 

[cstjohn17]

It seems any WR would fail a conditioning run, I know they have a lower target than the OL but still. WR run, that is what they do.

This guy better play his ass off on special teams if he wants to have any shot at making the team.

 

[eternal]

This is purely from memory, so it may not be acurate as to what the conditioning run consists of. Everyone gets 30 seconds rest between sprints and 1 minute after the 10th one. Total of 20 sprints.

O-linemen, D-linemen: 40 yards in less than 6 seconds

FB, TE, QB, K, P, LB: 50 yards in less than 7 seconds

RB, WR, DB: 60 yards in less than 8 seconds

 

[T-ShirtDynasty]

Can you be cut while you're on the PUP?

 

[SeanBruschi54]

He did?

Then why did he draft Bethel Johnson instead?

Anyway, I give a pass to any new guy who fails the run on the first try, as long as he passes it on his second try.

Because Washington had major neck and back injuries and most questioned if he could even play a season in the nfl.

That dropped him to a late 3rd early 5th round type player. Bethel Johnson was a second round risk.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Can you be cut while you're on the PUP?

Thats a good question. I think you can but im not sure. Miguel might if you were seriously asking or wondering.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Washington failed the conditioning run?

Actually how can you disagree with him? If failing the conditioning run is actually the case.

The guy just got a big hefty contract if he sticks with the team and hes going to come in here out of shape?

That is a black mark in my book.

Washington's contract is only "hefty" if he makes it beyond the first year.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Re: Washington failed the conditioning run?

Washington's contract is only "hefty" if he makes it beyond the first year.

Thats the point. Wouldnt you want to make a lasting impression and get that money instead of a measly 300k this season?

 

[Mike the Brit]

Hold the Back Page!

I heard on Sirius NFL radio this morning that the reason Washington was on the PUP was because he initially failed the conditioning run. Based on the conversation (they were talking about the difference between being medically healthy to return and in football shape and how the Pats require their players to pass the conditioning run to be healthy enough to play), I don't know if it was speculation or a statement of fact (or at least statement of sources). It would make sense since he was only on the PUP for one day.

If Washington did in fact fail the conditioning run, that is yet another black mark on his less than stellar beginning with the Patriots. Again assuming this is the case, he is starting to look like another David Terrell - a failed reclaimation project.

Here is a quote from Breer/Tomase posted on Wednesday July 25:

SOME MORE: As of last night, no deal was imminent with the unsigned first-round pick Meriweather. He’s one of 27 such first-rounders, so that’s one reason not to worry. And here’s another: The Patriots have done a stellar job under Bill Belichick of getting their top picks into camp in time. We’ll look at that history this afternoon. … We’ve confirmed that WR Troy Brown, RB Justise Hairston, WR Chad Jackson, CB Eddie Jackson, S Mel Mitchell, DE Richard Seymour, TE David Thomas, aand WR Kelley Washington will start on the PUP. As a quick add-on to the story, the book’s not closed on the list yet. The team will hold its conditioning run tomorrow and, thereafter, it’s possible additions are made to the list.

Item 1: Kelley Washington was on the PUP list prior to Wednesday, July 25.

Item 2: Kelley Washington was taken off the PUP list on Wednesday, July 25, according to Reiss.

Item 3: The conditioning run was due to be held on Thursday, July 26.

Ergo: Washington could not have been put on the PUP list for failing the conditioning run.

 

[pats1]

Re: Hold the Back Page!

Here is a quote from Breer/Tomase posted on Wednesday July 25:

SOME MORE: As of last night, no deal was imminent with the unsigned first-round pick Meriweather. He’s one of 27 such first-rounders, so that’s one reason not to worry. And here’s another: The Patriots have done a stellar job under Bill Belichick of getting their top picks into camp in time. We’ll look at that history this afternoon. … We’ve confirmed that WR Troy Brown, RB Justise Hairston, WR Chad Jackson, CB Eddie Jackson, S Mel Mitchell, DE Richard Seymour, TE David Thomas, aand WR Kelley Washington will start on the PUP. As a quick add-on to the story, the book’s not closed on the list yet. The team will hold its conditioning run tomorrow and, thereafter, it’s possible additions are made to the list.

Item 1: Kelley Washington was on the PUP list prior to Wednesday, July 25.

Item 2: Kelley Washington was taken off the PUP list on Wednesday, July 25, according to Reiss.

Item 3: The conditioning run was due to be held on Thursday, July 26.

Ergo: Washington could not have been put on the PUP list for failing the conditioning run.

Right, but PFW in Progress yesterday said that some players have already taken the run.

 

[37Harrison]

Re: Hold the Back Page!

Here is a quote from Breer/Tomase posted on Wednesday July 25:

SOME MORE: As of last night, no deal was imminent with the unsigned first-round pick Meriweather. He’s one of 27 such first-rounders, so that’s one reason not to worry. And here’s another: The Patriots have done a stellar job under Bill Belichick of getting their top picks into camp in time. We’ll look at that history this afternoon. … We’ve confirmed that WR Troy Brown, RB Justise Hairston, WR Chad Jackson, CB Eddie Jackson, S Mel Mitchell, DE Richard Seymour, TE David Thomas, aand WR Kelley Washington will start on the PUP. As a quick add-on to the story, the book’s not closed on the list yet. The team will hold its conditioning run tomorrow and, thereafter, it’s possible additions are made to the list.

Item 1: Kelley Washington was on the PUP list prior to Wednesday, July 25.

Item 2: Kelley Washington was taken off the PUP list on Wednesday, July 25, according to Reiss.

Item 3: The conditioning run was due to be held on Thursday, July 26.

Ergo: Washington could not have been put on the PUP list for failing the conditioning run.

They ran a conditioning run for rookies and FA's BEFORE this next conditioning run which is being held for veterans.

Ergo: Washington could've failed the first conditioning run and ran a seperate one on his own before the next one with the veterans.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Hold the Back Page!

Here is a quote from Breer/Tomase posted on Wednesday July 25:

SOME MORE: As of last night, no deal was imminent with the unsigned first-round pick Meriweather. He’s one of 27 such first-rounders, so that’s one reason not to worry. And here’s another: The Patriots have done a stellar job under Bill Belichick of getting their top picks into camp in time. We’ll look at that history this afternoon. … We’ve confirmed that WR Troy Brown, RB Justise Hairston, WR Chad Jackson, CB Eddie Jackson, S Mel Mitchell, DE Richard Seymour, TE David Thomas, aand WR Kelley Washington will start on the PUP. As a quick add-on to the story, the book’s not closed on the list yet. The team will hold its conditioning run tomorrow and, thereafter, it’s possible additions are made to the list.

Item 1: Kelley Washington was on the PUP list prior to Wednesday, July 25.

Item 2: Kelley Washington was taken off the PUP list on Wednesday, July 25, according to Reiss.

Item 3: The conditioning run was due to be held on Thursday, July 26.

Ergo: Washington could not have been put on the PUP list for failing the conditioning run.

As pointed out, they already had the rookie conditioning run which Washington was probably a part of. After you fail the conditioning run, you are usually given one shot a day to pass it. So it would fit into the timeline.

Veterans are due to report on the 25th and a physical is required by the league before a player can practice. The Pats require a conditioning run as a condition too. Since rookies have already reported and I think have done some light practicing to get ready, it is safe to assume the ones that are here already did their conditioning run.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Hold the Back Page!

They ran a conditioning run for rookies and FA's BEFORE this next conditioning run which is being held for veterans.

Ergo: Washington could've failed the first conditioning run and ran a seperate one on his own before the next one with the veterans.

Typically, you are given one shot a day to retake the test once you failed. So if Washington failed the rookie conditioning run, he could potentially have a couple attempts to pass again before the veterans run theirs.

Considering we will never get an answer out of the Pats, we can only speculate though.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Hold the Back Page!

Right, but PFW in Progress yesterday said that some players have already taken the run.

Actually from listening to MrsB's podcast, she says that Dan Pires has basically said that THIS conditioning run is a lot different than in other years. That many have come to camp early to get that done...with today's being the sort of deadline, so to speak.

 

[Dragda]

Mr. Miyagi strikes again!!

Man who catch fly with chopstick can accomplish anything.

 

[captain stone]

Man who catch fly with chopstick can accomplish anything.

Ah so.

And man who go to sleep with itchy bum...