Was Vick the only Falcon who knew about these goings on?

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I know we have heard just about enough of the Vick situation online and everywhere in the sports media world but the question that I have not seen asked anywhere or investigated was is Vick the ONLY Falcon who knew the goings on in Virginia?

Come on now,Vick is the highest publicized figure in that locker room and probably was buddy buddy with just about every Falcon player and no one other than Michael knew about this in the past 5 years? BS!

You can't tell me Mora Jr. had no idea,Alge Crumpler and Lawyer Milloy ect:?

Was this a conspiracy to hold back info just to protect the team from being in the situation it has now become which is a disaster?

I think some of those players who have been on that team for the past several years like Crumpler and Milloy most certainly had some kind of knowledge of what Vick was doing,I am sure Michael hung around with these guys and probably invited 1 or 2 guys up to Va. to check out the fights during the past few offseasons,Michael does not appear to be a total recluse.

Should fellow players speak out and made at least anonymous calls to the FBI if they know what was going on for years in Vick's Virginia home?

I think fellow players who knew about this are just as at fault for letting this go on.

IMO There is no way on gods green earth that no one outside of Vick and his dog fighting crew knew nothing about these fights...surely some Falcon players did which we may never know how many Falcon players and coaches knew all along but held crucial info for what they thought was best for the team.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I know we have heard just about enough of the Vick situation online and everywhere in the sports media world but the question that I have not seen asked anywhere or investigated was is Vick the ONLY Falcon who knew the goings on in Virginia?

Come on now,Vick is the highest publicized figure in that locker room and probably was buddy buddy with just about every Falcon player and no one other than Michael knew about this in the past 5 years? BS!

You can't tell me Mora Jr. had no idea,Alge Crumpler and Lawyer Milloy ect:?

Was this a conspiracy to hold back info just to protect the team from being in the situation it has now become which is a disaster?

I think some of those players who have been on that team for the past several years like Crumpler and Milloy most certainly had some kind of knowledge of what Vick was doing,I am sure Michael hung around with these guys and probably invited 1 or 2 guys up to Va. to check out the fights during the past few offseasons,Michael does not appear to be a total recluse.

Should fellow players speak out and made at least anonymous calls to the FBI if they know what was going on for years in Vick's Virginia home?

I think fellow players who knew about this are just as at fault for letting this go on.

IMO There is no way on gods green earth that no one outside of Vick and his dog fighting crew knew nothing about these fights...surely some Falcon players did which we may never know how many Falcon players and coaches knew all along but held crucial info for what they thought was best for the team.

I hate to burst your bubble, but this goes waaaaaay beyond the Falcons. While there may not be another NFL player quite as deeply and personally involved in his own operation of a dogfighting ring, there are many who attend and wager on fights and likely own if not raise, train and fight dogs of their own.

 

[BelichickFan]

I hate to burst your bubble, but this goes waaaaaay beyond the Falcons. While there may not be another NFL player quite as deeply and personally involved in his own operation of a dogfighting ring, there are many who attend and wager on fights and likely own if not raise, train and fight dogs of their own.

And Vick may be perfectly happy to name names if it keeps him out of jail. This could get VERY ugly.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I hate to burst your bubble, but this goes waaaaaay beyond the Falcons. While there may not be another NFL player quite as deeply and personally involved in his own operation of a dogfighting ring, there are many who attend and wager on fights and likely own if not raise, train and fight dogs of their own.

Of course I know this but the question was not about other people in the dogfighting business,It is about OTHER MEMBERS OF THE ATLANTA FALCONS ORGANIZATION WHO MAY HAVE KNOWN OF VICKS SIDE BUSINESS.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Of course I know this but the question was not about other people in the dogfighting business,It is about OTHER MEMBERS OF THE ATLANTA FALCONS ORGANIZATION WHO MAY HAVE KNOWN OF VICKS SIDE BUSINESS.

Well then isn't every player who knows about the longstanding subculture of dog fighting on the hook for not dropping a dime on the guys he knew about who were attending fights and betting on fights and acquiring his own dogs to fight? What you don't understand is this has been an excepted subculture within the NFL for years. Guys know who does drugs or routinely drives drunk or mixes it up with his old lady or is on the juice. But there is also an institutional team mentality that teamates leave stuff they hear about in the locker room in the locker room. Whistle blowers or snitches can end up with the worse end of the deal for their efforts. It's not pretty, but it's reality.

 

[sdaniels7114]

I don't know if it would be fair to call out some 3rd string D-lineman who may have attended one event and been disgusted by it, but kept his mouth shut. Speaking up would put this theoretical person at odds with the superstar QB and make it likely that he'd end up as road-kill career-wise. However, anyone with any significant involvement should pay, not just Vick.

 

[killerrob]

I agree, no one is going to drop the dime on the start quarterback. You don't want to lose him for any amount of time. If the team is winning it means more money for you when you become a free agent. So I can't fault any of them for not turning him in.

At the same time, I really hope they throw the book at him. It goes beyond inhumane to take part in having two of god's animals fight each other to the death for personal enjoyment. I get upset just thinking about it. I have 3 dogs at home all of which I rescued from my local shelter and they are great pets. I think of people taking such loving animals and making one of them aggresive and it really pisses me off. How many children need to be attacked. Michael Vick should be made an example out of. I really hope and pray that he names names.

 

[rabthepat]

No he wasn't.

 

[stinkypete]

Why are we bringing Milloy into this? He was only with the team for one year. Crumpler, Dunn, Brooking, Hall and Kerney, just to namea few, have been playing with Vick for much longer.

That aside, Vick does not strike me as the type of player who was buddy buddy with his mates. He's hardly a leader, and seems like the type who has his own personal entorage, more like a Pacman Jones or a Jarry Johnson than a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning.

 

[Keegs]

Ray Bucannan (sp) knew about it

He was interviewed on the radio and i could have sworn he said vick was big into it or something.

Then when he was interviewed on the NFL network he completely denied everything he said and you could easily tell he was lying through his teeth.


anyone involved in dog fighting should have 1 testicle removed.
Would they ever do it again?

 

[DarrylS]

anyone involved in dog fighting should have 1 testicle removed.
Would they ever do it again?

Couple of fingers may be more appropriate, the other testicle can still think up some pretty bad stuff.

Going back to the real issue, I am pretty sure NFL security has a pretty good bead on this and thus their hesitancy as a bunch of dominos are gonna fall. If they suspend Vick, then he might just spill the beans.. and mess up their investigation. It seems from what I read is they hope he will take some kind of leave of absence to prepare for this legal mess.

 

[Blah! Blah! Blah!]

FWIW (not much) One of the members on the Falcons board said he knew for a fact that is another Falcon that attends fights. He said that there is also a member of the Texans as well. On a couple of posts he said that he knows for a fact about these players. He did mention that it was not Scaub?

 

[BelichickFan]

FWIW (not much) One of the members on the Falcons board said he knew for a fact that is another Falcon that attends fights. He said that there is also a member of the Texans as well.

I would be surprised if there were less than 5 per team (and very likely more) on average that are involved in some way. It looks like a dirty little secret of the NFL is about to bust out big time - because like I said earlier, if Vick has the choice of jail or naming names; he's talking.

 

[Fixit]

I would be surprised if there were less than 5 per team (and very likely more) on average that are involved in some way.

That's nearly 10% of the NFL population. That might be a little high. But I see what you're saying.

 

[BelichickFan]

That's nearly 10% of the NFL population. That might be a little high. But I see what you're saying.

Admittedly I just made up a number. But 5 per team doesn't seem too high considering :

- I guess this is relatively popular in the South - where LOTS of NFL players are from.
- This aggressive kind of "fun" would likely appeal to players of an aggressive, physical sport.
- Pro players in any major sport typically think they're insulated from anything.
- Large amount of free time "back home" in the offseason.

 

[MDPATSFAN]

Why are we bringing Milloy into this? He was only with the team for one year. Crumpler, Dunn, Brooking, Hall and Kerney, just to namea few, have been playing with Vick for much longer.

That aside, Vick does not strike me as the type of player who was buddy buddy with his mates. He's hardly a leader, and seems like the type who has his own personal entorage, more like a Pacman Jones or a Jarry Johnson than a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning.

It's not just restricted to the FelCons...Marcelius Wiley was just on NFL Network claiming that it is quite common for a few players on the teams he was on to attend dog fights.

The NFL has been looking the other way on this. Before this is all said and done Blank, Goodell and Tagliabu are going to be testifying before Congress.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I think there may a story coming that will dwarf the Vick dogfighting, or at least relegate it to second story. There is a NY Post exclusive claiming that an NBA referee has/had a gambling problem and got in deep with the mob
and continued betting on games he refereed.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07202007/news/columnists/nba_in_a_fix_columnists_murray_weiss.htm

>>The investigation, which began more than a year ago, is zeroing in on blockbuster allegations that the referee was making calls that affected the point spread to guarantee that he -- and the hoods who had their hooks in him -- cashed in on large bets. <<<<

If true, Vick ought to get down on his hands and knees and be thankful because THIS, not him will be the big story for many a news cycle....It doesn't get him off the hook but it slows down the momentum growing where the Vick story is taking on a life of its own....

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Why anybody would bet on games especially b-ball which is so easily influenced, is beyond me. I'm fine with the Vick hysteria diminishing as long as the Feds continue with their prosecution in a timely manner and as long as Goodell works quietly yet steadily to eradicate the dogfighting subculture from the game.

 

[Captain Cliche]

I know this is a little OT...but the Falcon mgmt. would have looked like absolute geniuses if they had traded Vic instead of Scaub.

MV was a punk and a coach killer before the dog fighting thing ever came out.

They could could have gotten a king's randsom for him at the height of his value. Imagine a team trading for him and this whole thing blows up in their faces.

Similar to benching your franchise quarterback for some unknown despite the inevitable media crap storm you will get for making the courageous and correct decision....gotta love it.

 

[BelichickFan]

I think there may a story coming that will dwarf the Vick dogfighting, or at least relegate it to second story. There is a NY Post exclusive claiming that an NBA referee has/had a gambling problem and got in deep with the mob and continued betting on games he refereed.

It's not coming out, it's been out all day - his picture has been on the news and everything.

Bottom line, there's more options for people today and these guys, whether refs, players, whatever, better shape up or people will just find other things to do.