Question: franchise cost if player holds out?

[JR4]

NFL CBA says:

"The franchise tag is a designation given to a player by a franchise that guarantees that player a contract the average of the five highest-paid players of that same position in the entire league, or 120% of the player's previous year's salary (whichever is greater) in return for retaining rights to that player for one year."

If Samuel holds out to week 10 then his Salary won't be $7.8M but a portion of it. Right? If so, then 120% of $3+M would be less than the the average of the five highest-paid CBs next year.

So if Samuel holds out to week 10, wouldn't the franchise tag cost about the same as this year instead of some figures I've seen of over $10M?

BTW, it this were true and if he holds out and the Pats' secondary is doing well why not keep inactivated for the remainder of the year and franchise him again next year. The cost would be a little over $3M.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

As long as Asante signs the tender (whether it be before the season or during week 10) his contract for the season is 7.8M. It doesn't matter how much of that money he actually earns.

 

[Pujo]

BTW, it this were true and if he holds out and PATs secondary is doing well
why not keep inactivated for the remainder of the year and Franchise him
again next year. The cost would be a little over 3Mill.

They'd still have to pay him if they kept him inactive (they can't withdraw the franchise tender), and if they're paying him they might as well use him.

 

[VJCPatriot]

They'd still have to pay him if they kept him inactive (they can't withdraw the franchise tender), and if they're paying him they might as well use him.

They have to pay him only IF he signs the tender. If he chooses to sit out it won't count against them. I doubt they would do something as silly as holding him out of games after he signed the tender. They might not be able to withdraw the tender as you say but the money won't count against them until he signs up.

 

[Pujo]

They have to pay him only IF he signs the tender. If he chooses to sit out it won't count against them. I doubt they would do something as silly as holding him out of games after he signed the tender. They might not be able to withdraw the tender as you say but the money won't count against them until he signs up.

Right, I was answering why they wouldn't keep him inactive after week 10 (when he'd have presumabely signed the tender).

 

[JR4]

As long as Asante signs the tender (whether it be before the season or during week 10) his contract for the season is 7.8M. It doesn't matter how much of that money he actually earns.

Well I guess it depends on your definition of 'Salary'

Here is what one guy reports it to be for the NFL

"Salary means all compensation paid to a player, including money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value. Salary, however, does not include benefits. Furthermore, a player’s salary will also include compensation for non-football-related services if such payment does not seem to represent an approximate fair market value."

If so then if Samuel holds out to week 10 he will only be 'PAID' about 3.6 million or so.

 

[pats1]

They'd still have to pay him if they kept him inactive (they can't withdraw the franchise tender), and if they're paying him they might as well use him.

Doesn't mean he'll play though.

 

[pats1]

Well I guess it depends on your definition of 'Salary'

Here is what one guy reports it to be for the NFL

"Salary means all compensation paid to a player, including money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value. Salary, however, does not include benefits. Furthermore, a player’s salary will also include compensation for non-football-related services if such payment does not seem to represent an approximate fair market value."

If so then if Samuel holds out to week 10 he will only be 'PAID' about 3.6 million or so.

That's still incorrect. The second he signs the tender he pockets $7.79M that can't be taken away from him, ever.

Franchise tenders are fully guaranteed once signed, no matter whether a player plays or not.

 

[Pujo]

That's still incorrect. The second he signs the tender he pockets $7.79M that can't be taken away from him, ever.

Franchise tenders are fully guaranteed once signed, no matter whether a player plays or not.

Are you sure? I thought contracts were prorated and $7.8M is the full-year amount. Otherwise every franchised player would hold out til week 10, 10 weeks of free vacation.

 

[JR4]

That's still incorrect. The second he signs the tender he pockets $7.79M that can't be taken away from him, ever.

Franchise tenders are fully guaranteed once signed, no matter whether a player plays or not.

If I read what you said correctly ... if Samuel holds out until week 10 he still gets the full amount, $7.79 million. Are you sure about that?

 

[cblesz]

Are you sure? I thought contracts were prorated and $7.8M is the full-year amount. Otherwise every franchised player would hold out til week 10, 10 weeks of free vacation.

It is correct. If he holds out, the money is pro-rated.

 

[pats1]

It is correct. If he holds out, the money is pro-rated.

If I read what you said correctly ... if Samuel holds out until week 10 he still gets the full amount, $7.79 million. Are you sure about that?

Are you sure? I thought contracts were prorated and $7.8M is the full-year amount. Otherwise every franchised player would hold out til week 10, 10 weeks of free vacation.

"Guaranteed" means guaranteed.

 

[cblesz]

"Guaranteed" means guaranteed.

No. If he reports after the season opener September 11, the $7.79 million becomes pro-rated...

FROM THE BOSTON HERALD:

"Samuel can sign the tender and reap all $7.79 million as long as he reports before the Sept. 11 opener against the Jets. After that, the money becomes pro-rated."

It only makes sense. It would be ridiculous if he could show up in week 10 and receive the entire amount. I cannot show up to work in June and expect my annual salary to be paid out until the end of the year...

 

[Dom]

Surely if Samuel signs the tender and then holds out until week ten, he be fined more than he earns anyway? I forget exactly what the fines are, but they're certainly steep.

 

[drakesta101]

The Amount is Pro-rated meaning for whatever week he decided to return, in this case it is thought to be week 10, he will recieve that percentage of the 7.78 million dollar salary. Yes, all is gaurenteed if he he shows up for week 1 which is the mosy likely scenario, but think of it like this, divide the 7.78 mill by 16 weeks....each week to him is worth 1/16 of that money.

 

[drakesta101]

Also, he cannot be fined under a franchise tag.

 

[drakesta101]

Well he could be fined but he would have to be stupid to do so...i.e. he would have to sign the contract before training camp and miss training camp...player can only be fined under contract...until he signs and is under contract the team has no right to fine the player.

 

[QuiGon]

Surely if Samuel signs the tender and then holds out until week ten, he be fined more than he earns anyway? I forget exactly what the fines are, but they're certainly steep.

They can't fine Samuel because he isn't under contract. Now, as mentioned above, he does lose a pro-rated amount of the guaranteed money for games he has missed, but as long as the tender offer is out there then when Samuel signs it, he is guaranteed that salary.

FWIW, I think he's going to miss some of training camp (which players hate anyway) but be here by week 1 of the regular season.

 

[patriot lifer]

Tom Casale confirms that it is prorated. if he holds out for five games he loses out on five checks. if he is put on the inactive list, then that is another story.
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=26305&pcid=41

(it's in the third to last paragraph on that link)

 

[patriot lifer]

Surely if Samuel signs the tender and then holds out until week ten, he be fined more than he earns anyway? I forget exactly what the fines are, but they're certainly steep.

He wouldn't be fined because he technically is not a member of the New England Patriots. Not until he signs the tender.