There is no way Troy Brown makes this team

[patsox23]

Can anyone make a plausible argument of he makes the team?

I can. BILL BELICHICK HAS SAID SO. That's my argument. What's the point of this?

 

[patsox23]

BB also told Bledsoe he would be given equal practice time when he was healthy again so that he could fairly compete for the starting job.

It didn't happen that way though did it? I'm not saying that BB made the wrong decision - to limit Bledsoe's practice time in order to properly prepare Brady. In fact, I agree with the decision entirely.

The point is that things change. Just because BB says something today doesn't mean he won't do the opposite later if it is the best thing for the team at that time.

This is so COMPLETELY NOT the same situation. You're also basing that on Drew's POV of a situation that was far more complex, but we'll set that aside. This situation is totally different. Truly, this is bordering on idiotic.

 

[AirForcePatFan]

IF Troy Brown is healthy, then Troy Brown will be on this team. Period.....I have no doubt, none whatsoever.

Agree completely...

Chad Jackson, a first round draft pick with lots of potential? The choice is obvious.

Chad Jackson was a 2nd round draft choice who maybe out for the year, while Brown will be ready to play at the beginning of the season... Who would YOU play?

 

[Grizzafted]

I might get ripped for saying this, but he's either been invisible or choked in two straight playoff runs.

Belichick has not shyed away from making tough decision before, but I think a healthy Chad Jackson is more valuable in December than Troy Brown.

The jury is still out on CJ here. With how his rehab is progressing, he could be 100% by early October. This is a second round draft pick who has, at the least, the potential to be a solid #2 guy. I think if you add up the dollars and cents here, it doesn't look good for Troy.

 

[AirForcePatFan]

I don't think so, I think Troy has been one of the more reliable but I don't think he gets as many catches because the defenses cover him up good knowing he's Brady's 'go to' guy in the crutch... Just my opinion on it.. Just think, we wouldn't have even played the Colts in the Championship game if it wasn't for Troy Brown..

 

[Grizzafted]

Just think, we wouldn't have even played the Colts in the Championship game if it wasn't for Troy Brown..

I'm not sure I agree with that completely. Troy performed well last year, but he was an afterthought to Caldwell and Gaffney in the playoffs. Actually, one could argue that his miscommunication with Brady cost us the game. I don't know whose fault that was, Brady definitely didn't have his best game, but factor that in with the muffed punt in Denver and my confidence level isn't exactly in the stratosphere. And if you want to go further than that, you could say that if we had signed Deion my username might be "OneForTheThumb."

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

This is so COMPLETELY NOT the same situation. You're also basing that on Drew's POV of a situation that was far more complex, but we'll set that aside. This situation is totally different. Truly, this is bordering on idiotic.

I don't see how it is so different. BB said something but then the situation later caused him to go against his previous statement and do what was best for the team.

I can see that happening this time as well (that is assuming that BB was serious to begin with - He can't exactly say Troy is done now can he?). If he did indeed mean it, then what happens if the other WRs outplay Troy to the point that BB know it is not in the best interest of the team to put him on the final roster? What happens if a number of fringe players from any position over achieve on STs or otherwise carve out a role that is more important?

Even if he meant it (something I am not sure of), BB is going to do what is best for the team when push comes to shove. Right now, I don't see Troy making it.

You obviously do see him making it. Great! Some posters agree with you and some do not. If it were indeed bordering on idiotic, I don't think the responses would be 50-50 on the subject.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Agree completely...
Chad Jackson was a 2nd round draft choice who maybe out for the year, while Brown will be ready to play at the beginning of the season... Who would YOU play?

I was wrong on the draft round. I think I got confused because some said at the time that he was projected to go in the first round and we were lucky to get him in round 2.

Anyway, I read recently that both Brown and Jackson were still healing and that both might be ready for the start of the season but that neither was a sure thing to be ready by then.

If I have that wrong, by all means correct me.

The best argument I have heard so far is that ST could play a larger part in the selection than pure talent at WR. I can buy that. I do think that the current mix of new players (Moss, Stallworth, and Wash

ington) combined with mediocre starters who are versed in the system (Caldwell, Gaffney, Brown) makes me think that we will carry more of those pure WR types than we might otherwise. Unless the newbies catch on fast (including timing with Brady), it will be hard to let Caldwell and/or Gaffney go.
In that situation, I see Brown behind Caldwell and Gaffney in the role of vet with familiarity, although he does have versatility the other two don't have.

 

[dhamz]

I might get ripped for saying this, but he's either been invisible or choked in two straight playoff runs.

The biggest play in the SD game was made by Troy Brown.

 

[Grizzafted]

He's a smart player. That was a phenomenally heads-up play that potentially saved the game. His performance at his actual position was a distant third in the playoffs to Caldwell and Gaffney.

 

[MetalBleachers]

I think a healthy Chad Jackson is more valuable in December than Troy Brown.

IF Chad Jackson stays healthy, IF he learns the offense, IF he contributes on STs, IF he learns how to complement his fellow receivers, IF he shows willingness to put in the hours in the film room, IF he develops a rapport with TB, THEN he has the potential to become valuable.

CJ is physically the most perfect receiver the Patriots have drafted since BJ. I wish him well, but I think the competition here is between Brown and Washington or Gaffney, not Brown and a 2nd-rounder still learning the ropes.

As has been posted, it beats going into camp with the likes of Kelvin Kight vying for field time.

 

[patsox23]

I don't see how it is so different. BB said something but then the situation later caused him to go against his previous statement and do what was best for the team.

I can see that happening this time as well (that is assuming that BB was serious to begin with - He can't exactly say Troy is done now can he?). If he did indeed mean it, then what happens if the other WRs outplay Troy to the point that BB know it is not in the best interest of the team to put him on the final roster? What happens if a number of fringe players from any position over achieve on STs or otherwise carve out a role that is more important?

Even if he meant it (something I am not sure of), BB is going to do what is best for the team when push comes to shove. Right now, I don't see Troy making it.

You obviously do see him making it. Great! Some posters agree with you and some do not. If it were indeed bordering on idiotic, I don't think the responses would be 50-50 on the subject.

It's idiotic to compare this to the Bledsoe situation. First of all - as I said before (please read the posts) - you are talking COMPLETELY from Bledsoe's perspective on a private conversation. Belichick has stood before the press on more than one occasion in the last month or so and SAID something to the clear effect of Troy Brown will be a part of this team.

Apples. Oranges.

 

[patsfan7578]

OK- here isa how it's going to go. Troy will be signed and then PUP'ed. If we should lose a reciever or one is not living up to expectations, he will be activated.

BB already said Troy had a place on this team. I take him at his word.

I can't believe I am agreeing with you on this, but I feel the same way.

 

[unoriginal]

It's the PUP or shadow roster for Troy Brown if he plays. Don't know how much an uber-veteran like Troy would need another training camp anyways.

 

[jbb9s]

Moss
Welker
Stworth
Gaffney
Caldwell
Jackson

You know what all those guys have in common? Not one would have stripped the ball from a defender who was on the verge on ending the Patriots season.

 

[stinkypete]

Famous last words. See
Patten, David
Kleko, Dan
Pass, Patrick

 

[Patjew]

I find this thread very, very depressing. It's going to be a sad day when we know for sure that Troy has played his last down for the Pats, be it this year or next or whenever.

Anyway, maybe they'll keep him as the 3rd QB.

 

[ilduce06410]

Patjew, don't fret yet

I find this thread very, very depressing. It's going to be a sad day when we know for sure that Troy has played his last down for the Pats, be it this year or next or whenever.
Anyway, maybe they'll keep him as the 3rd QB.

i agree. this is a depressing thread. BUT:

1. BB/SP need WRs who play special teams. troy plays on all of them. i'm not sure that's the case with washington, welker, moss. jackson got hurt playing special teams. troy is very valuable in this regard.
2. troy DOES take snaps at QB. BB/SP will decide whether or not they want to keep testaverde. but they wouldn't have him taking snaps at QB just for fun.
3. troy is a serviceable DB. and he's not actually that slow.
4. therefore, troy is worth 2 to 2 1/2 roster spots. none of the other WRs are. troy plays for the veteran minimum of $775K, and costs only $500K against the cap.
5. BB/SP will play some roster games here. since patriots will go with 4-wideout sets, i suspect they will keep 6 WRs. probably keep bam phillips on the practice squad. keep chad jackson on PUP. put someone else on IR (might be troy).
6. IMHO someone among the WRs is trade bait. i see somebody getting traded, after training camp opens, for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
7. troy btown will be on the roster, one way or another.

roster players:
washington
welker
brown
moss
jackson
stallworth

roster games/trade bait:
caldwell
phillips
gaffney
anyone who pulls a hamstring between now and the saeason opener

 

[Grizzafted]

You know what all those guys have in common? Not one would have stripped the ball from a defender who was on the verge on ending the Patriots season.

I get it, I get it. The hope is that this year A) we don't have to see a 4th down on a game saving drive, 8 points down in the 4th quarter in a road playoff game, and B) Brady doesn't throw the game ending interception in that situation.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I can't believe I am agreeing with you on this, but I feel the same way.

That is how it always starts. Agree on one thing and then you find yourself agreeing on everything else. Welcome to Homerville.