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Why wasn't he invited to the ring ceremony i wonder?

He is in a legal dispute with the Colts. The Colts didn't pay him last year because they claim his injuries were non-football related and Simon claims that they were due to wear and tear of years of football. It was basically the Colts being cold hearted.
 
I would not take wilfat in the 4-3, really richard seymour is one of the players that is so talented you can plug him into the 4-3 and hed work well. Wilfat is soely made for the 3-4, and imo mathis and freeney in the 4-3 > Green and seymour and warren

Just as I suspected, Peyton's brain is developmentally challenged. Unfortunately for us, his laser rocket arm is over developed.

I'm waiting for Polian to put on the dark robes and declare himself Emperor of the NFL.
 
He is in a legal dispute with the Colts. The Colts didn't pay him last year because they claim his injuries were non-football related and Simon claims that they were due to wear and tear of years of football. It was basically the Colts being cold hearted.

They must have felt burned about getting the guy and having to pay his contract and then finding out he's probably not going to play football again. If I recall didn't they say he withheld information about his condition? I'm not sure but I bet there were cap implications and if they really did get fleeced it's tough to blame them for not being nice to the guy.
 
I would not take wilfat in the 4-3, really richard seymour is one of the players that is so talented you can plug him into the 4-3 and hed work well. Wilfat is soely made for the 3-4, and imo mathis and freeney in the 4-3 > Green and seymour and warren

Sure you would because you are a colts fan. Wilfork can work in a 4-3 a lot better than you think. He is a lot quicker than you think he is.

Take your colts homer glasses off, Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, and Green are > Freeny, Mathis, McFarland, and Brock or Pit****. This is fact. All of our guys can warrant a double team while only Freeny demands a double.
 
i agree overall the patriots depth is better on the defensive line than the colts, i really like our edge rushers in Freeney and Mathis more than your combo of Seymore and green, id give the inside to you though easily.
And well you should, for your team's system.

The Pats top four DL (Sey, TY, Vince, and Jarvis Green) would compare more to the Jags who use their front four (the same way the Pats use their front three), to stop the run. Indy uses their front four to disrupt the backfield. The Indy scheme calls for lighter, quicker players who get off the snap fast and penetrate into the backfield, The Jags and Pats use their heavyweights (in comparison) to control the line of scrimmage and collapse the pocket around the QB on pass plays. Both have advantages and disadvantages, based on Super Bowl victories in this decade, neither is better than the other - as long as both play their assignments and execute properly.

In the Indy scheme you could use a Vince Wilfork the same way Dungy used Simon in 2005 and McFarland in 2006, as nose tackles. They anchor the line in a 4-3 and help the linebackers corral the run while the other three pin their ears back and fire-out for the QB. If you ponder this point some more you may decide to change your thinking on Vince's applicability to Dungy's scheme.
 
your starting three wouldnt fit our system, and ive expected this for a while with simons cap hit, one darkhorse i belive in the NT race is quinn pitt**** the rookie we drafted out of Ohio state this season, was expected to go in the first round near the begening of the season, one reason or another dropped down quite a bit but hes a perfect fit for the system we run.

LOL, you wouldn't want Seymour, Warren and Wilfork because they wouldn't fit your system?

LOL!!!
 
They must have felt burned about getting the guy and having to pay his contract and then finding out he's probably not going to play football again. If I recall didn't they say he withheld information about his condition? I'm not sure but I bet there were cap implications and if they really did get fleeced it's tough to blame them for not being nice to the guy.

There were red flags all over Corey Simon well before they signed him. The Eagles pulled the franchise tag and let him walk in July 2005, and the Colts made it out to be quite the coup that their genius GM had the cap space and the forsight to sign him long term. I believe he played in 13 games and pocketed $14M or so...

He got hurt in camp in 2006 and had to have surgery. Reportedly he developed polyartheritis thereafter, which the Colts felt was non football related (though it can develop following injury and surgery). They withheld $1.9M of his salary last season by placing him on the NFI list. The grievance that remains to be heard is over that. They were told they can't recoup any of his signing or option bonus money already paid because of a previous ruling that set the precedent and wording in the new CBA. So he has gone from superstar FA savior to money grabbing POS (or Polian's folly if Bill were ever seen to be at fault for anything).

They will actually get some cap relief this season - his salary of around $3.9M will come off their present cap if they agree to just part company. But they will take a $5M+ hit I believe in dead cap next season for a non existent DT. Ouch. And if the arbitrator rules his condition is in fact not non-football related, they may be on the hook for a little more than that if he's entitled to an injury settlement on top of what he's already received on his contract which was to run through 2009.


One of the problems the Colts have had to deal with all along (which the new stadium is supposed to help mitigate) is they are cash strapped as well as periodically cap strapped. That is likely the reason they also placed Monte Reagor on NFI when he was injured driving to practice. Not something the Kraft's would likely do to a veteran who had been a good soldier. Of course it's also why their rings came in just at or under budget, while our first one alone tripled it. ;)
 
They will actually get some cap relief this season - his salary of around $3.9M will come off their present cap if they agree to just part company. But they will take a $5M+ hit I believe in dead cap next season for a non existent DT.

The Colts will gain $3.955 million in cap space this year minus the salary of the player who replaces Simon on the Top 51 list. In 2008 they will gain $1.9 milion in cap space while having a $6.2 million dead money cap hit. In 2009 they will gain $8.1 million in cap space. In other words, a player due to count $23.255 million against the cap in 2007/2008/2009 will now count $9.3 million. IMO, the Colts are now in position to move some of the freed-up space in 2008.

And if the arbitrator rules his condition is in fact not non-football related, they may be on the hook for a little more than that if he's entitled to an injury settlement on top of what he's already received on his contract which was to run through 2009.

I think that injury settlements do not count against the cap.
 
That is likely the reason they also placed Monte Reagor on NFI when he was injured driving to practice. Not something the Kraft's would likely do to a veteran who had been a good soldier.
Can you imagine the howl aross New England if Kraft put Tedy Bruschi on NFI after his stroke? Yet the Colts fans are fine with screwing Monty Reagor like that. POS Colts fans deserve POS Colts management.
 
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Colts | Simon to be released
Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:53:56 -0700

Mike Chappell, of the Indianapolis Star, reports the Indianapolis Colts will release DL Corey Simon. Simon was not invited to attend the team's Super Bowl ring ceremony Wednesday, June 13.


Darn! There goes that Colts fan's idea that the Indy DL would be better than the Patriots if Simon stepped up.

Again, the differences between the Pats and Colts comes to light. There was one player (a WR?) who was in the IR a few years ago with the Pats when they won in 2003. He never took a snap for them. He wasn't given a ring and he complained. But the Pats didn't NOT invite him to the ring ceremony.

I always thought that the Colts really had no reason to put Simon on the NFI list last year. And its shows how their player management isn't the greatest... But we all knew that already.
 
They must have felt burned about getting the guy and having to pay his contract and then finding out he's probably not going to play football again. If I recall didn't they say he withheld information about his condition? I'm not sure but I bet there were cap implications and if they really did get fleeced it's tough to blame them for not being nice to the guy.

I have never hear that Simon withheld information. In fact, Simon had to pass a physical before the contract was agreed to. He did so. Then later during the season was diagnosed with some form of arthritis.
 
Can you imagine the howl aross New England if Kraft put Tedy Bruschi on NFI after his stroke? Yet the Colts fans are fine with screwing Monty Reagor like that.

From what I can tell Reagor was paid his 2006 salary even though he was placed on NFI. If I am correct, how was he screwed??

I doubt that a team can place a player on IR if he was hurt in an automobile accident.
 
The Colts will gain $3.955 million in cap space this year minus the salary of the player who replaces Simon on the Top 51 list. In 2008 they will gain $1.9 milion in cap space while having a $6.2 million dead money cap hit. In 2009 they will gain $8.1 million in cap space. In other words, a player due to count $23.255 million against the cap in 2007/2008/2009 will now count $9.3 million. IMO, the Colts are now in position to move some of the freed-up space in 2008.



I think that injury settlements do not count against the cap.

So I guess it's just a great day all around when you spend $14M in cash and cap on a $6M per player who sees limited use in season one. Because it means you now can plug in a minimum salary guy in that slot and spin it as a huge savings. Dead cap is a good thing, hmm... LOL If only it were that easy...

Yeah, I know they had a ring ceremony the other night. But if there were such a thing as cap hell, wouldn't the road to it be paved with overpayments to underperforming talent?

I hope all the impending UFA's in Indy are watching what happens when you fail to match Polian's expectations for whatever reason, and instructing their agents to structure their new deals for a worst case scenario (show me that non-refundable bonus money).

I can't imagine that injury settlements wouldn't count against the cap, everything else eventually does....
 
So I guess it's just a great day all around when you spend $14M in cash and cap on a $6M per player who sees limited use in season one. Because it means you now can plug in a minimum salary guy in that slot and spin it as a huge savings. Dead cap is a good thing, hmm... LOL If only it were that easy...

Did I say that it was a great day?? I was just providing some facts. Spin them any way you want. But please do not put words in my mouth. Gee, the Colts made a mistake with Simon. A mistake that was so critical that it cost them a Super Bowl. Oops, the Colts did win the Super Bowl.

I can't imagine that injury settlements wouldn't count against the cap, everything else eventually does....

Everything does not count against the cap.

Benefits such as injury protection do not.

See Article 24, Section 1 (b)of the CBA.
'Benefits. “Benefits” and “Player Benefit Costs” mean the aggregate for a League Year of all sums
paid (or to be paid on a proper accrual basis for a League Year) by the NFL and all NFL Teams for, to, or on
behalf of present or former NFL players, but only for:
(i) Pension funding, including the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle NFL Player Retirement Plan (as described in
Article XLVII) and the Second Career Savings Plan (as described in Article XLVIII);
(ii) Group insurance programs, including, life, medical, and dental coverage (as described in Article
XLIX or as required by law), and the Supplemental Disability Plan (as described in Article LI);
(iii) Injury protection (as described in Article XII);
(iv) Workers’ compensation, payroll, unemployment compensation, social security taxes, and
contributions to the fund described in Article LIV, Section 4 below;
(v) Preseason per diem amounts (as described in Sections 3 and 4 of Article XXXVII) and regular season
meal allowances (as described in Article XXXIX);
(vi) Expenses for travel, board and lodging for a player participating in an off-season workout program in
accordance with Section 7(e)(iv)(3) below;
(vii) Payments or reimbursements made to players participating in a Club’s Rookie Orientation Program
(as described in Section 4(n) of Article XVII);
(viii) Moving and travel expenses (as described in Sections 2, 3, and 4 of Article XLI, and Section 8 of
Article XXXVII);
(ix) Postseason pay (as described in Article XLII and Article XLIII); and salary paid to practice squad
players pursuant to a practice squad contract during the postseason, unless the practice squad player contract is
December 6, 2006 DRAFT
ARTICLE XXIV
GUARANTEED LEAGUE WIDE SALARY
SALARY CAP & MINIMUM TEAM SALARY (CONT.)
59
executed or renegotiated after December 1 for more than the minimum practice squad salary, in which case all salary paid to such a practice squad player during the postseason will be counted as Salary.
(x) Player medical costs (i.e., fees to doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers, and the drugs and other medical cost of supplies, for the treatment of player injuries), but not including salaries of trainers or other
Team personnel, or the cost of Team medical or training equipment (in addition, the amount of player medical costs included in Benefits may not increase by more than ten percent (10%) each League Year). Subject to the
foregoing, Player medical costs shall include one-third of each Club’s expenses for tape used on players and one-third of each Club’s player physical examination costs for signed players (player physical examination
costs relating to the Combine or for Free Agents whom the Club does not sign are not included in Player Benefit
Costs);
(xi) Severance pay (as described in Article L);
(xii) The Player Annuity Program (as described in Article XLVIII-A);
(xiii) The Minimum Salary Benefit (as described in Article XXXVIII-A);
(xiv) The Performance Based Pool (as described in Article XXXVIII-B);
(xv) The Tuition Assistance Plan (as described in Article XLVIII-B);
(xvi) The NFL Players Health Reimbursement Account (as described in Article ____);
(xvii) The “88 Benefit” for former players suffering from dementia (as described in Article ____); and
(xviii) The NFL Player Benefits Committee (as described in Article ____).Without limitation on any other provision of this Agreement, Benefits will not include (1) salary reduction
contributions elected by a player to the Second Career Savings Plan described in Article XLVIII; (2) any tax imposed on the NFL or NFL Clubs pursuant to section 4972 of the Internal Revenue Code for the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle NFL Player Retirement Plan, and (3) attorneys’ fees, costs, or other legal expenses incurred by Clubs in connection with workers’ compensation claims of players. Benefits for a League Year will be determined by adding together all payments made and amounts properly accrued by or on behalf of the NFL and all NFL Clubs for the above purposes during that League Year, except that Benefits for pension funding and the Second Career Savings Plan will be deemed to be made in a League Year for purposes of this Article if made in the Plan Year beginning in the same calendar year as the beginning of such League Year
 
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I hope all the impending UFA's in Indy are watching what happens when you fail to match Polian's expectations for whatever reason, and instructing their agents to structure their new deals for a worst case scenario (show me that non-refundable bonus money).

Like the $20 million in non-refundable bonus money the Pats will give to Adalius Thomas.
 
Yeah, I know they had a ring ceremony the other night. But if there were such a thing as cap hell, wouldn't the road to it be paved with overpayments to underperforming talent?

Would you rather win a Super Bowl and then may be in cap hell?? Or not win a Super Bowl and may never be in cap hell?? I choose the former.

Simon is a mistake that will be off the books in 2009.

No one can say with a straight face that he hurt the Colts in 2006.

I doubt that any Pat fan is going to say that having $3.1 million in dead money in 2007 tied up in Simon is going to have a great impact on the Colts' this year not when the Pats won the 2004 Super Bowl with Milloy having a dead money hit of over $4 million.

Because I think that the Colts will move cap space into 2008, they will have to lessen the impact of Simon's dead money in 2008.
 
Would you rather win a Super Bowl and then may be in cap hell?? Or not win a Super Bowl and may never be in cap hell?? I choose the former.

Simon is a mistake that will be off the books in 2009.

No one can say with a straight face that he hurt the Colts in 2006.

I doubt that any Pat fan is going to say that having $3.1 million in dead money in 2007 tied up in Simon is going to have a great impact on the Colts' this year not when the Pats won the 2004 Super Bowl with Milloy having a dead money hit of over $4 million.

Sorry Miguel, but that $4 million or so DID hurt the Pats in 2004. They had a lot of injuries and couldn't afford to bring in anyone at anything other than the minimum. Just like they had in 2003.
 
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