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How is SF #1? Granted, they have upgraded their unit with Clements, but some say Michael Lewis has some coverage issues. In fact, that is the exact reason he was benched by the Eagles last season. In my opinion, the Bears should be at the top of the list. Tillman, Vasher and Manning Jr. are a lot better than Clements, Harris and Spencer (when healthy). Is it just me or is Nate Clements an overrated player. Maybe I just think that because when ever the Pats play the Bills, Clements struggles.
 
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Pats top 5? I dont think the CB Unit is THAT GOOD.

People rag on the Pats CBs all the time but last year the gave up only 10 passing TDs which is just remarkable. The also played great against the top 2 receivers of the Colts in the AFC Championship.

I rate Samuel as top 6-12 in the NFL, there are a lot of players who are about the same. I nudge Samuel up a few notches because he understands and excels in our scheme, is young (26 next season) and is getting better.

My biggest beef with the Pats secondary is the lack of depth. If Samuel or Hobbs miss games there is a dramatic dropoff to the Scott, James and Gay's of the world.

Random note I added after the original post - Samuel's 2006 season was among the all-time best, he had 10 picks during the regular season and 2 picks of TDs in the playoffs.
 
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Pats top 5? I dont think the CB Unit is THAT GOOD.

Well it's based on the fact that the Patriots only gave up like 10 passing TD's last season.
 
Ok, here is the NFC's list.

1. Nate Clements, 49ers
2. DeAngelo Hall, Falcons
3.Ronde Barber, Bucs
4. Lito Sheppard, Eagles
5.Antoine Winfield., Vikes

Where would Asante fit on the combined list?

Top NFC units;

1. 49ers
2. Cowboys
3.Eagles
4.Packers
5.Bucs

Also notice on the AFC list, Ty Law is no longer in the top 5.


Nate Clements is SO overrated, and I'm not just saying this because I am a Bills fan

A guy who labels himself as "playmaker" (which hung above his locker in Buffalo) should have more then 5 ints in the last 2 seasons
 
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Most overrated:
Steve Hutchinson
Bryant McKinney
Deangelo Hall
Troy Polamalu
Marvin Harrison
Keith Bullock
Dunta Robinson
Mike Peterson
Roy Williams
Jeremy Shockey
Plaxico Burress
Brett Favre
Tommy Harris
Muhsin Muhammad
Chris Gamble
John Abraham
Nate Clements
Matt Hasselbeck
Shaun Alexander
Edgerrin James

I would disagree with a few names on this list, especially Hutchinson, Bullock, and Polumalu. Hutchinson is a top 3 guard IMO. His presence alone improved Minnesota's run offense this season. Bullock is always around the ball and gives 100% every play, along with his great athleticism and strength. As much as I hate the Steelers, one guy that would look good in a Pats uniform is Polumalu. He may have had an off year, but the guy has skills.
 
People rag on the Pats CBs all the time but last year the gave up only 10 passing TDs which is just remarkable. The also played great against the top 2 receivers of the Colts in the AFC Championship.

I rate Samuel as top 6-12 in the NFL, there are a lot of players who are about the same. I nudge Samuel up a few notches because he understands and excels in our scheme, is young (26 next season) and is getting better.

My biggest beef with the Pats secondary is the lack of depth. If Samuel or Hobbs miss games there is a dramatic dropoff to the Scott, James and Gay's of the world.

Random note I added after the original post - Samuel's 2006 season was among the all-time best, he had 10 picks during the regular season and 2 picks of TDs in the playoffs.


Ditto for the Colts. Only gave up 15 passing td's all regular season. Surprising, but with a run D that porous, why pass?

They DID give up 3 doughnuts in a row to NE,BUFF,and Dallas! Also shut down Cincy and Palmer.

I wonder if they will miss Harper and David?
 
Ditto for the Colts. Only gave up 15 passing td's all regular season. Surprising, but with a run D that porous, why pass?

They DID give up 3 doughnuts in a row to NE,BUFF,and Dallas! Also shut down Cincy and Palmer.

I wonder if they will miss Harper and David?

It is a good question. They run a well designed defense, it essentially double covers the outside recievers and protects the CBs. Also their defense can make it hard to throw against, on most plays 7 guys are in coverage. They also proved that if they stack the box it is difficult to run effectively (see KC playoff game). The trick is to make them pay for stacking the box or to pound it down their throat. It will be interesting to see what adjustments they make to their defense to slow down opponents running attack.

The weakness is with so many undersized players they give up a lot of yardage on the ground. Unfortunately the Patriots running game vanished. Many different items were in play including Maroney's injury, Faulk's injury, Dillion's age, onconsistent O Line play, lack of respect for the passing game.

In still bugs me that on that 3rd and 4 they didn't even have a threat of running the ball (personally I would have ran it to force Indy to use their final timeout, even if the Pats were stopped in would have setup a 4th and short to win the game).

Back to the topic, the Pats CBs are asked to do a lot more than other defenses. Some may rate Samuel at 5, others at 15 but there are other intangibles in play:
- he know the system
- he excels in the system
- he is getting better every year
- he is young (only 26)
- he is better than 90% of the CBs in the league

Would of, could of , should have.... teams like Philly and SD are good are proactively signing players before they hit free agency. The risk is an injury or trail off in production but the upside is relatively cheap cap hits for expensive positions. A couple years ago the Eagles locked up Shepperd and Brown years before their contarcts expired. When it happened I thought it was a smart move, they locked up 2 young staring CBs for cheap money (3-4 per year if I remember). I was hoping for a similar deal for Branch and Samuel, the two biggest pending FAs but it never happened.

I hope Samuel is locked up, or worst case plays the year under the tag. If he sits out or is traded corner becomes weakness of the defense.
 
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I am surprised after one very good year, Assante makes it to #5...

That's pretty surprising, isn't it?

I think that speaks more to lack of great cornerbacks than Asante's greatness...

The guys had one - count 'em - one, outstanding season.
 
That's pretty surprising, isn't it?

I think that speaks more to lack of great cornerbacks than Asante's greatness...

The guys had one - count 'em - one, outstanding season.

I know what you mean, I look at the top five list and want to say that Asante does not belong, but in order to do that, I have to come up with someone I would put ahead of him and I am having trouble with that right now.
 
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