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Everyone knows I love this team, its owner, its FO, and its coach. No one is more optimistic or willing to see the bright side of most issues, but as I type this, for the life of me, I cannot see ANY value that we got out of this draft so far.
As I see it we got a very athletic but undersized safety. Not a bad pick, decent value, but nothing to get excited about. He'll fit right in with the 5'10 limit we seem to put on DBs... Torry James being the exception that proves the rule.
After that NOTHING made sense.
1. BTW - Let me make it clear I am fine with trading some of our picks into next year. So,I was OK with trading down with SF, but getting back their first round pick next year is not nearly the value most people think it is. IMHO There is a much greater chance that that pick will be closer to 30 than 15. In other words, for the privelege of waiting ANOTHER year, we will most likely get the same value as what we had today...only a year later. Generally the thought is that a pick next year is worth a round lower in value THIS year. So using TODAY's value, we traded a first round pick, for a second round pick. It makes absolutely NO SENSE.
And getting their 4th round pick, just made it worse. A third would have been bad, but passible. Their 3rd and 5th would have been OK and fair. Or perhaps a conditional extra pick next year in case the pick is in the is higher than 20. But none of this happened. There really isn't any way to justify the LACK of value in this trade, we are taking the biggest risk that pick won't be high enough to justify the trade
2. Then there was the wait for the 91st pick, where as several people have mentioned there were several reasonable picks available at that spot. Though I was pissed that BOTH Waters the LB and Hughes the CB were picked just in front of them. Maybe they were too, and just said F**K it and literally gave Oakland their 3rd round pick for nothing.
Again using common value, in getting Oakland's 3rd NEXT year, they gave Oakland a third round pick, for a 4th round pick and a camp fodder 7th. So for the second time in the SAME draft we took LESS value for MORE value.
3. So at the end of the day we certainly seem set for a busy tomorrow. We now have 2 picks in the 4th, one pick in the 5th, 4 picks in the 6th, and NOW 2 picks in the 7th. That's NINE freaking picks in an area where you hope to find 2 to 3 guys who will likely make your team. Does THAT make any sense to anyone????
So on Sunday evening, they will trot out 9 guys we never heard of, or at least most of us. Most likely 5 or 6 of those picks WON'T make the team, and the bulK of this draft will end up being a huge waste of time energy and man power.
We will not be younger and more athletic, especially at LB. We still won't have solved depth issues at CB, and LB. The best I can hope for is that in all those 9 picks we will be able to find 2 guys who in THREE years will eventually develop into productive starters.
In the mean time, after 11 picks, we most likely have gotten ONE player who has the POTENTIAL to make a significant contribution THIS SEASON. That is NOT what I expected out of this draft, or any draft.
Sure we seem to be well set up next year with 5 first day picks, much like we were in 2003, however we paid WAY TO HIGH a price for that privelege.
This draft is looking like a whiff of Grierian proportions. Its almost like we are giving the rest of the league a mulligan. The Patriots are so good we can take a draft off and still be better than most of the teams in the league.
IT was frustrating to see other teams like the Jets, Jacksonville and Dallas move up and down in the draft getting value AND the men they wanted, while my team's well respected FO basically gave picks away. I can't make any other explaination for the actions I saw today.
I really looked forward to this draft, and now I can hardly wait until it is over. My only interest now is to see if they get a chance to draft DeOssi with the SF pick, after that Julian Tavares hold more interest for me than the Patriots. Today will make the long period between now and the start of the season even longer for me.
As I see it we got a very athletic but undersized safety. Not a bad pick, decent value, but nothing to get excited about. He'll fit right in with the 5'10 limit we seem to put on DBs... Torry James being the exception that proves the rule.
After that NOTHING made sense.
1. BTW - Let me make it clear I am fine with trading some of our picks into next year. So,I was OK with trading down with SF, but getting back their first round pick next year is not nearly the value most people think it is. IMHO There is a much greater chance that that pick will be closer to 30 than 15. In other words, for the privelege of waiting ANOTHER year, we will most likely get the same value as what we had today...only a year later. Generally the thought is that a pick next year is worth a round lower in value THIS year. So using TODAY's value, we traded a first round pick, for a second round pick. It makes absolutely NO SENSE.
And getting their 4th round pick, just made it worse. A third would have been bad, but passible. Their 3rd and 5th would have been OK and fair. Or perhaps a conditional extra pick next year in case the pick is in the is higher than 20. But none of this happened. There really isn't any way to justify the LACK of value in this trade, we are taking the biggest risk that pick won't be high enough to justify the trade
2. Then there was the wait for the 91st pick, where as several people have mentioned there were several reasonable picks available at that spot. Though I was pissed that BOTH Waters the LB and Hughes the CB were picked just in front of them. Maybe they were too, and just said F**K it and literally gave Oakland their 3rd round pick for nothing.
Again using common value, in getting Oakland's 3rd NEXT year, they gave Oakland a third round pick, for a 4th round pick and a camp fodder 7th. So for the second time in the SAME draft we took LESS value for MORE value.
3. So at the end of the day we certainly seem set for a busy tomorrow. We now have 2 picks in the 4th, one pick in the 5th, 4 picks in the 6th, and NOW 2 picks in the 7th. That's NINE freaking picks in an area where you hope to find 2 to 3 guys who will likely make your team. Does THAT make any sense to anyone????
So on Sunday evening, they will trot out 9 guys we never heard of, or at least most of us. Most likely 5 or 6 of those picks WON'T make the team, and the bulK of this draft will end up being a huge waste of time energy and man power.
We will not be younger and more athletic, especially at LB. We still won't have solved depth issues at CB, and LB. The best I can hope for is that in all those 9 picks we will be able to find 2 guys who in THREE years will eventually develop into productive starters.
In the mean time, after 11 picks, we most likely have gotten ONE player who has the POTENTIAL to make a significant contribution THIS SEASON. That is NOT what I expected out of this draft, or any draft.
Sure we seem to be well set up next year with 5 first day picks, much like we were in 2003, however we paid WAY TO HIGH a price for that privelege.
This draft is looking like a whiff of Grierian proportions. Its almost like we are giving the rest of the league a mulligan. The Patriots are so good we can take a draft off and still be better than most of the teams in the league.
IT was frustrating to see other teams like the Jets, Jacksonville and Dallas move up and down in the draft getting value AND the men they wanted, while my team's well respected FO basically gave picks away. I can't make any other explaination for the actions I saw today.
I really looked forward to this draft, and now I can hardly wait until it is over. My only interest now is to see if they get a chance to draft DeOssi with the SF pick, after that Julian Tavares hold more interest for me than the Patriots. Today will make the long period between now and the start of the season even longer for me.
